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To Fight $5.2B In Identity Theft, IRS May Need To Change the Way You File Taxes

coondoggie writes: Based on preliminary analysis, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) estimates it paid $5.2 billion in fraudulent identity theft refunds in filing season 2013 while preventing an additional $24.2 billion (based on what it could detect). As a result, the IRS needs to implement changes (PDF) in a system that apparently can't begin verifying refund information until July, months after the tax deadline. Such changes could impact legitimate taxpayers by delaying refunds, extending tax season and likely adding costs to the IRS.

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  1. Re:Corporate taxes by edawstwin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's fix the corporate tax evasion first please.

    Let's fix corporate taxes first, so that there is no evasion.

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  2. Did you find that hard drive yet? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, it's going to be a long time before anyone believes anything the IRS says again.

  3. Simplify Taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about we simplify taxes so there's no need to issue refunds in the first place?

  4. Solution by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    End income tax.

    No more tax returns. Only tax based on use (i.e. Sales Tax) Problem solved in one fell swoop.
    Tax evasions now impossible and you encourage people to invest rather than spend.
    Oh wait, that's right, we have an entire industry run by blood sucking vampires that need the current system to remain as confusing as possible.

    1. Re:Solution by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      gas is taxed.
      repairs are taxed
      registration is taxed.

      Why wouldn't the sale of a car be taxed?

      How about clothing? Need clothes to live, right?
      Nope. If it makes you feel better, you could make school kids clothing tax free, or only make new clothing taxable. If you don't want to pay the tax, buy second hand.

      Now Paris Hilton can buy 400 pairs of shoe tax-free!
      So? Why do you care what Paris Hilton does? See, that's the problem. You are so damn worried that a rich person might save $80 on a pair of shoes that you want EVERYONE else to go through hell so a rich bitch won't save a buck.

      Watch out for that slippery slope you're on.
      Odd. Nearly everyone of the 50 states has programs like this and they don't have a problem. Were you referring to the "slippery slope" fallacy?

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  5. Re:Corporate taxes by Karmashock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The IRS is raking in record income to the US federal government.

    You aren't out of money because the IRS isn't taking it in... you're out of money because you're spending too much of it.

    By all means... fix corruption... but while you're at it... balance the fucking budget.

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  6. Re:Corporate taxes by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's fix the corporate tax evasion first please.

    Let's fix corporate taxes first, so that there is no evasion.

    Both. The US has very high corporate taxes (relative to other countries) but also has the most advanced system of tax loopholes ever developed by a corrupt legislature. States frequently offer tax incentives to big companies to move or stay in a state, while leaving the same unpalatable taxes (like business property taxes on machines and furniture) on everyone else.

    Tax corps uniformly and quit with the loopholes and the same same income would come in at a lower tax rate, thus addressing both evasion and avoidance.

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  7. Apt Tax by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We don't need more rules, more laws, more agents (that cost a shit ton of money at work and in retirement), more jails.

    Just banish most taxes, simplify the system to a low rate transaction tax, don't deal with deductions or deciding which charities or legit or not (tax would be too low to matter in individual cases), stop caring if business are on shore or offshore or if couples are married:
    http://www.apttax.com/

    Of course, by nature, bureacracy always has to build itself up, never deconstruct itself, so don't expect to see it short of in the face of a revolution.

  8. Thus the problem with the TEA party by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..and really all of the "simple" solutions. It seems like a good idea - just don't spend that $1 Trillion and we can drop our taxes by $1 Trilllion. Except that economies don't really work that way. You can't add or subtract a trillion dollars like that and expect things not to spiral out of control.

    Remember the recession that freaked out the entire world? Remember the job losses, the stagnation of the economy, and the general feeling that the world would end? We lost 8.8 million jobs, most of them paying $14-21/hr (if wikipedia is to be believed). Do you know how many jobs $1 Trillion dollars pays for? About 18 Million - more than double what was lost in the great recession.

    "But wait," I hear you cry, "that trillion dollars would still be spent by the people who wouldn't have been taxed!" Oh, that's partially true. Understand that 40% of that money would go to multi-millionaires who's purchasing habits generally are not affected by their income. The other 60% probably would be spent, but that 60% would be spent on goods and services in an economy which has almost zero overlap with the manpower which would be idled by the drop of $1T in defense spending. Those are soldiers, intelligence report creators, bomb makers - not really things you purchase in your every day life. And because you can't train and re-purpose people fast enough to build the TVs and tablets and cars and hotel staff to pick up the increase in demand, the prices for all those products would increase. And because of the numbers, dropping the US income tax would result in a net increase in take home pay of about 4%-5% for most people in the middle class (Say, $60-80,000 annual household income) or about $50 a week.

    So you're magical tax-free utopia would end up with 18 Million people out of work and without the skills needed to change jobs, inflation in the disposable goods and discretionary services market, and a net effect of $50 a week in the pockets of the people who still have jobs.

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