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Obama Presses China On Global Warming

HughPickens.com writes: The NY Times reports that President Obama spoke at the United Nations Climate Change Summit and challenged China to make the same effort to reduce its greenhouse-gas emissions and join a worldwide campaign to curb global warming. Obama's words were directly focused on putting the onus on China, an essential partner of the U.S. if a global climate treaty is to be negotiated by 2015. The U.S. and China bear a "special responsibility to lead," said Obama. "That's what big nations have to do." The U.S., Obama said, would meet a pledge to reduce its carbon emissions by 17 percent, from 2005 levels, by 2020 — a goal that is in large part expected to be met through proposed EPA regulation.

There were indications that China might be ready with its own plan, although many experts say they will be skeptical until Chinese officials reveal the details. A senior Chinese official said his country would try to reach a peak level of carbon emissions "as early as possible." This suggests the Chinese government, struggling with air pollution so extreme that it has threatened economic growth, regularly kept millions of children indoors and ignited street protests, was determined to show faster progress in curbing emissions. In recent years, the Chinese government has sent other signals about addressing carbon pollution, some of them encouraging to environmental experts. "Five years ago, it was almost unimaginable to discuss China putting a cap on carbon, but now that is happening," said Lo Sze Ping, chief executive officer of the World Wildlife Fund's office in Beijing. "Chinese leaders have seen that it is imperative to move toward a low-carbon economy."

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  1. The pot calling the kettle black by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember the Kyoto protocol?

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    1. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Remember the Kyoto protocol?

      You mean the one that was totally worthless because it actually wrote the right for developing nations to pollute right into the fucking thing, which would have simply resulted in the last vestiges of the world's manufacturing moving to those nations? That Kyoto protocol? The one that would actually have been worse than worthless because it actually protected bad behavior while doing nothing to curb the global problem? That Kyoto protocol?

      Yes, I remember. What a pity that you do not.

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    2. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I enjoy how you had to contort yourself to blame Bush for something that was formulated during the Clinton years and subsequently also had the opportunity to be addressed under a Democratic supermajority Senate in conjunction with the Obama presidency.

      Get over it. Neither party actually wants this, and neither does the majority of the US populace. Hell, even Canada backed out of Kyoto once it became obvious how much it would cost them in opportunity costs not to develop their tar sands. Obama is only waffling on Keystone XL to appease the fringe of his party until after the election. It's going to happen.

    3. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by coofercat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'll also have noticed that this is all about "asking" China to do something, and not about America doing anything at all. All Obama had to do was to say "we're going to add a 5% import tax on all Chinese products that don't have a green certificate". That sort of approach may not be perfect, but it hurts the Chinese in ways that they can remedy, and whilst it ostensibly hurts the American consumer, the tax collected helps them in other ways. The tax collected could be used to stimulate local manufacturing or something - or perhaps green projects.

      So as it stands, this is just one dirty country asking another dirty country to clean up. Doesn't mean anything at all, and apart from some carefully worded responses, the Chinese need do nothing about it at all.

    4. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Histrionic nonsense.

      U.S. total CO2 emissions for coal, oil and natural gas were 5,584 (million) metric tons in 1997. U.S. CO2 emissions rose to 6,023 (million) metric tons of CO2 in 2007 before they began to fall. In 2012, U.S. CO2 emissions fell to 5,293 (million) metric tons. That is 291 (million) metric tons less than they were in 1997 and 730 (million) metric tons less than their 2007 peak.

      291 (million) metric tons below 1997 levels is a 5.2% reduction in CO2 emissions. It EXACTLY meets the Kyoto requirement.

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    5. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is utterly chilling to see educated people publically admire a tyrannical government, and openly wish we had the same in America. There are trees and ropes waiting for you kind of people.

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    6. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by JWW · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, funny that, how one of the countries that didn't actually sign the treaty is one of the only countries that met its targets.

      But shhhhh we can't say this. Natural Gas is pushing out dirty coal for power generation, but its only a good outcome and not a perfect one, so it still needs to be attacked by environmentalists.

    7. Re:The pot calling the kettle black by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Don't be so quick to defend Bush 41. Remember this golden oldie?

      "THE American way of life is not up for negotiation." That was the stance struck by the elder George Bush at the first Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992.

      While I think it is inaccurate to equate the two parties on environmental policy, I think this quote from Bush 41 best summarizes what we Americans as a whole really think about the environment: it's nice to have around for postcards and stuff, and ought to be the beneficiary of a few feel-good measures, so long as they're painless - but anything that costs real money or jobs is simply inconceivable. Any President who asks us to sacrifice for the future will simply be playing Carter to the inevitable Reagan who will come along to tell us that nothing we could ever do is bad, and everything will work to the greater good so long as we simply help ourselves and feel great about it. And that man will win the next election, in a landslide, every time.

  2. Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The US consumes 1.6KW of power per person. China consumes 0.4KW.

    An average US person consumes 4x more power than a Chinese person. The US ought to cut its fuel and power consumption before snubbing other nations.

    1. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it is even more uneven, as US outsources its CO2 to China via manufacturing products which ultimately end up in US consumer hands.

      If the CO2 was accounted to a country according to where the product ended-up then US would be consuming much more CO2 and China much less.

  3. Think about the children by Camembert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean it seriously, we need to think about what kind of world we leave for our children.
    There is global warming, leading to more chaotic and extreme weather patterns. There is also pollution in general/
    I currently live in Hong Kong. In general that is a great experience but there are days when lots of smog comes from the Shenzen area. I first thought it was fog, that is how bad it can be.
    We should all do an effort, on country, company and personal level to make this world more livable for our children.

    1. Re:Think about the children by durrr · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Think of the children!"
      "Lets leave them a world of energy starvation and poverty!"