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Octopus-Inspired Robot Matches Real Octopus For Speed

KentuckyFC writes: Underwater vehicles have never matched the extraordinary agility of marine creatures. While many types of fish can travel at speeds of up to 10 body lengths per second, a nuclear sub can manage a less than half a body length per second. Now a team of researchers has copied a trick used by octopuses to build an underwater robot capable of matching the agility of marine creatures. This trick is the way an octopus expands the size of its head as it fills with water and then squirts it out to generate propulsion. The team copied this by building a robot with a flexible membrane that also expands as it fills with water.

The fluid then squirts out through a rear-facing nozzle as the membrane contracts. To the team's surprise, the robot reached speeds of 10 body lengths per second with a peak acceleration of 14 body lengths per second squared. That's unprecedented in an underwater vehicle of this kind. What's more, the peak force experienced by the robot was 30 per cent greater than the thrust generated by the jet. The team think they know why and say the new technique could be used to design bigger subs capable of even more impressive octopus-like feats.

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  1. um... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    um... that's not a robot, its a balloon stretched over a turkey baster.

    1. Re:um... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey kid, you wanted a robot for your birthday, here it is.

    2. Re:um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds kinky!

    3. Re:um... by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      um... that's not a robot, its a condom stretched over a turkey baster.

      FTFY

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    4. Re:um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +5 Spoken Like An Engineer

    5. Re:um... by Elixon · · Score: 1

      Nope. Every kid already got that. Those scientists obviously missed their childhood... otherwise they would know that the thing they discovered is known to every 6 years old child who ever tried to release air-filled balloons and watch it progressively accelerate... :-D

      I hope they will get a massive grant for this discovery... to compensate for the childhood they probably never had.

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    6. Re:um... by drainbramage · · Score: 1

      That's no balloon.

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  2. Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After reading TFA all they effectively did was design a toy-sized torpedo that uses an expanding membrane to hold the liquid used to propel the device. Nada más.

    While they probably did do interesting work in fluid dynamics (IANAFD), in no way, shape or form could this even be remotely considered a robot.

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    1. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot

      "A robot is an automatic mechanical device often resembling a human or animal. Modern robots are usually an electro-mechanical machine guided by a computer program or electronic circuitry."

      Quite a serviceable definition, and it covers what they are doing.

      But even robot arms are robots: completely lacking in autonomy. Robotics generally is entirely the study of the kind of thing they are doing: studying the ways to make machines do things that are modelled on the way humans and animals do things.

      Just because some robots tend towards looking like the kind of things we would no longer consider to be robots doesn't change the definition; we are instead surrounded by robotics.

    2. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by Jonifico · · Score: 2

      True. But if you can get over the semantic issue in the title, it is still a marvelous achievement.

    3. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia defines a robot as a mechanical device resembling a human or animal. So yes, it can be considered a robot, considering the term is extremely broad and not well defined.

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    4. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      True. But if you can get over the semantic issue in the title, it is still a marvelous achievement.

      I agree that the fluid dynamics part looks interesting and is probably the most important part of the story. But I am not qualified to comment on fluid dynamics.

      But calling this a robot means that you can call a bowling ball falling from a tall building "a gravity powered robot", and also study the same fluid dynamics that are being tested in TFA.

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    5. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "an automatic mechanical device often resembling a human or animal"
      AUTOMATIC. This has no automation in it. A human fills it with pressurised water and it does one move until the pressure escapes. That's not automatic.

    6. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by pupsocket · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia is not always authoritative, alas

      Oxford English Dictionary: "A machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer:"

      I'd add that it is not a robot unless it has sensors. A self-winding moon-phase watch is not a robot.

      Nor is a badminton birdie.

    7. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Google defines it as "a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer.". Those big welding robots in in factories hardly resemble any human or animal I'm aware of, but we call them robots. If you're really loose on the definition of "complex series of actions" then something as simple as a toaster or coffee maker with a computerized timer could be a robot.

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    8. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You must've been fun to be around when you first heard the term "paper airplane".

    9. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to learn the difference between words that have more than one meaning (or no meaning) and choosing the wrong word to say what you mean. One is semantics, one is poor word choice. Both can lead to misunderstanding or misinformation.

      That device, by definition, is not a robot.

    10. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by GlowingCat · · Score: 1

      Actually, since us humans evolved from water to land, sea-creatures seem like a good starting point for studying Artificial Intelligence.

    11. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Then the Google Car, my harddrive, and the Space Shuttle are all robots too, though no one calls them that. The definition from Wikipedia also says it usually looks like a human or animal, so those things and my toaster wouldn't count (though Wikipedia also include nanobots). As I said, it's a broad term that's not well defined.

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    12. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Airplanes have onboard propulsion systems! These are just paper gliders!!2!

    13. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

      Actually, since us humans evolved from water to land, sea-creatures seem like a good starting point for studying Artificial Intelligence.

      Especially the brainy mammals that crawled back into the ocean and grew a big nostril on the back of their necks. Dolphins and whales are genuinely intelligent and don't need AI in their robots.

    14. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by AC-x · · Score: 1

      "A robot is an automatic mechanical device ... "

      Quite a serviceable definition, and it covers what they are doing.

      But there's nothing automatic about their model; They manually attached it to a water hose to fill it, manually released it, and relied on fixed fins to provide passive stability.

      Sure the technology can be used on robots in the future, but this proof-of-concept model is as robotic as a water bottle rocket.

    15. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Taking a couple of sentences from a Wiki article does not make a complete definition. The only relevant part of your quote is "[a] robot is an automatic mechanical device". By that definition any self powered mechanical device that that does something after being initiated is a robot. That is not true.

      How about this definition;

      a device that automatically performs complicated often repetitive tasks

      a mechanism guided by automatic controls

      The device can neither perform repetitive tasks and has no automatic controls or any controls for that matter. It is a projectile not a robot.

    16. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      The definition from Wikipedia also says it usually looks like a human or animal, so those things and my toaster wouldn't count (though Wikipedia also include nanobots).

      Since they use the word "usually" it implies that sometimes robots do not look like humans or animal so toasters, etc do count.

      As I said, it's a broad term that's not well defined

      ... by Wikipedia. FTFY There are many other definitions that are much less broad.

      a device that automatically performs complicated often repetitive tasks
      a mechanism guided by automatic controls

      That device can not do repetitive tasks and has no controls (automatic or otherwise). It is a projectile not a robot.

    17. Re:Underwater? Yes. Robot? NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. And it is WAY less cool than the automated tendril contraption I was envisioning when I read the title.

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  3. What's wrong with all those people? by AqD · · Score: 0

    Octopus is food! If there is any inspiration it'd be gene-modified giant octopus with lovely meat! How can people possibly watch food all day long and just make swimming robots?!

    1. Re:What's wrong with all those people? by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 2

      Ssshhh -- before a vegan hears you.

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    2. Re:What's wrong with all those people? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Speaking on behalf non-militant vegetarians ... no, you really should be sure a vegan hears you, because it's usually hilarious to hear the squealing. ;-)

      I'm that vegetarian that says "I hear the calamari here is awesome, you should try it". :-P

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    3. Re:What's wrong with all those people? by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      If you follow the links in TFA, you will find that they originally were trying to create a robot based on a different animal commonly used for food.

      Unfortunately, the model they chose was based on the cow and it was an udder failure.

  4. But by rossdee · · Score: 1

    Octopusses aren't that fast. Its squids that can move fast

  5. conflicted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On one hand, I'm happy for these discoveries because they will benefit us, but on the other hand, I know US military will find some way to use this technology to hurt other people.

    1. Re:conflicted by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      as long as they are trying to hurt the people trying to hurt me, i'm fine with it.

  6. Can't wait by Jesrad · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can't wait for nuclear-powered giant octopus submarines. Beats a laser-sporting shark anyday !

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    1. Re:Can't wait by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I can see the movie now ... nuclear powered octopus meets laser-sharknado.

      Mark my words.

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    2. Re:Can't wait by slimshady76 · · Score: 1

      Pfff... You should wait for the laser-sporting-nuclear-powered killer octopus drones.

    3. Re:Can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, that's not a movie. It's a freaking Sports League!

      Tonight on Robot Arena League: The Nuclear Octopods vs. The Laser Sharktobots!

    4. Re:Can't wait by alphabet26 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I want an Octopod!

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  7. Robot...what? by some+old+guy · · Score: 1

    I'm not completely sure because definitions change all the time, but I'm fairly certain that an underwater stored-energy balloon toy fails to meet even the loosest definition of "robot".

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    1. Re:Robot...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly. If there was an onboard mechanism to inflate the ballon, yeah, I would say robot. But not this. Hopefully an onboard pump and battery is in the works.

  8. I, for one, by coolguyclay · · Score: 1

    . . . Welcome our Robotic Octopi Overlords!

    1. Re:I, for one, by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Roboctopi-nado!

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  9. Now we know.. by dowsell · · Score: 1

    ...why divers pee in their wetsuits. It helps them swim faster.

  10. Nuclear sub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nuclear subs are not designed to maximize (speed / body length). If they were they wouldn't be so long and narrow. They wouldn't have all that extra space for stuff like crews and missiles and radar. They wouldn't have thick, pressure-resistant (and heavy) hulls. They would just be a super short hull with an oversized engine attached. So this comparison is stupid.

  11. Hey, 10gs of acceleration by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 3, Funny

    What a nice sub - go from 10Gs back to 0Gs every couple of seconds. I'm sure the sailors will be shaped differently after traveling in that thing for a couple of weeks.

    1. Re:Hey, 10gs of acceleration by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Ah, and now we get to the real reason octopi don't have bones...

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  12. Not "sustained" speed by bradgoodman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Creatures that use this form of population do it only for "bursts" - like to escape a predator. They cannot sustain this speed. If they used this form of propulsion for a submarine, that would be one hell of a jerky ride.

    1. Re:Not "sustained" speed by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Also a military submarine is a hell of a lot bigger than an octopus or a fish. Eventually you would reach a size where the solution doesn't scale anywhere near as well. Otherwise you could conceivably build one of these so large that moving 10 times its body length in one second would travel faster than light. While that would require a rather massive vessel, it's quite obvious that the idea wouldn't work even if we could build such a vessel.

    2. Re:Not "sustained" speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couldn't you set up multiple propulsion units operating off-cycle? same way pistons work in an engine, fire each cylinder in turn, as it recharges itself the next one fires, you get continuous thrust.

  13. Are these the smaller fish? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The post says, "While many types of fish can travel at speeds of up to 10 body lengths per second, a nuclear sub can manage a less than half a body length per second."

    How big are these fish? Body length does not seem like a good measure of speed, as it would tend to favor smaller fish over larger fish. There is no fish that is anywhere close to a sub in length (362' or 110 m is a reasonable size--ten times the longest fish). Even if you include whales (aquatic but not fish), the blue whale is less than a third the length of the typical submarine. A blue whale can't even go three body lengths per second, much less ten. Yet the submarine is still faster than a blue whale, although it can only go half a body length per second.

    1. Re:Are these the smaller fish? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      My hydro/aero-dynamics is almost two decades rusty, but isn't aren't these things size-dependent? I mean, the Reynolds number and stuff.

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  14. Re:Now we know.. by slimshady76 · · Score: 1

    Let's not diminish the power of a good plate of lentils or beans!! That's turbo power if you can get it to go off the wetsuit through the leg openings!

  15. Ideally we would protect by slink3r · · Score: 0

    The militias are important because of certain feels I have against even this type of story. I know this. It is ideal. Please do not discard stuff. It will certainly bother the octopus'.

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  16. Deceptive comparison by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    Nuclear submarines do not manage 10 times body length per second speed. But they do it in a sustained manner. If you average the speed of the octopi over the time it takes to recharge its head, you would find it is not doing so well either.

    10 times body length per second is impressive on its own for under water bodies. I suspect the reason is the shrinking of the head as water is ejected out of the nozzle as it moves. In underwater craft, the vehicle has to displace the fluid around it, make room for itself and then occupy that space as it moves forward. Water is incompressible for all practical purposes. Water is a very heavy fluid, 1000 times the density of air ( 1 Kg/m^3 for air, 1000 Kg/m^3 for water). It takes lots of power to set that much of water in motion to move it out of the way. But octopi have an unusual mode of propulsion, its head will fill with water slowly and then when it moves its head is shrinking, it does not have to move that much water out of the way as it moves forward. That probably accounts for the relative speed.

    Again, it is impressive for an octopi with tiny brains capable of just predicting football match winners. They could not have solved the Navier-Stokes equations and figured this out.

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  17. talk about a perfect set-up! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    The Encyclopedia Galactica defines a robot as

    "a mechanical apparatus designed to do the work of a man."

    I'll leave the ultimate zinger for somebody else...

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    1. Re:talk about a perfect set-up! by Rotag_FU · · Score: 1

      The Encyclopedia Galactica defines a robot as

      "a mechanical apparatus designed to do the work of a man."

      I'll leave the ultimate zinger for somebody else...

      But who would build a machine that only goes around killing spiders?

  18. So by cdrudge · · Score: 1

    Underwater vehicles have never matched the extraordinary agility of marine creatures. While many types of fish can travel at speeds of up to 10 body lengths per second, a nuclear sub can manage a less than half a body length per second.

    That's ok. Marine creatures have never been able to match the capacity of underwater vehicles either. A nuclear sub can haul 140+ people around, fire torpedoes, and launch guided missiles simultaneously. Thankfully aquatic creatures are some distance away from being able to do any one of those things, let alone all of them.

  19. It might move like an octopus... by Bob_Who · · Score: 2

    ....but its inferior to octopus when served on rice with wasabi.

    1. Re:It might move like an octopus... by drainbramage · · Score: 1

      Finally an answer to the question:
      "What looks like an octopus and is filled with sea men?"

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    2. Re:It might move like an octopus... by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

      Finally an answer to the question: "What looks like an octopus and is filled with sea men?"

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  20. duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone could have told you, bio-mechanics are the way to go.

  21. just like in the matrix by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    now i'm scared

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  22. Will next year's version be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ribbed or vibrating?

  23. Rocket Equation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This reminds me of the Rocket Differential Equation. A Rocket loses mass as it goes burning fuel. This mean the thrust is using less and less weight as it goes.
    This octopus robot is not only losing mass, it's also reducing drag! The head goes from a wide egg shape to thin arrow as it loses the propellant (water).

    This is really neat!

  24. Underwater Missiles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... sure, I'll believe it when I see an octopus-like apparatus come anywhere near mach 1. Until then we'll have supercavitation which actually is starting to perform (scarily).

  25. Robots with tentacles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going...

  26. talk about a perfect set-up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the marketing department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation however defines a robot as
    "Your Plastic Pal, who's fun to be with"

    There you go

  27. Octopus Feats by Kyont · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I had to read the last sentence three times because I thought it said, "...even more impressive octopus-like farts."

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  28. Sorry, what? by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

    Why are we concerned that a gigantic metal tube designed to transport people underwater and missiles/other weaponry does not travel as fast as an organic unit that does not transport personnel and ordinance?

    In other news, School buses not as fast as F1 cars.