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Microsoft Co-opts Ice Bucket Challenge Idea To Promote Coding In Latin America

theodp writes: Microsoft is aiming to offer free programming courses to over a million young Latin Americans through its Yo Puedo Programar and Eu Posso Programar initiatives ("I Can Program"). People between the ages of 12 and 25 will be able to sign up for the free online courses "One Hour Coding" and "Learning to Program," which will be offered in conjunction with Colombia's Coding Week (Oct. 6-10). The online courses will also be available in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Ecuador, Mexico, Peru and Puerto Rico. "One Hour Coding" (aka Hour of Code in the U.S.) is a short introductory course in which participants will learn how the technology works and how to create applications, and it offers "a playful immersion in the computer sciences," Microsoft said in a statement. In the virtual, 12-session "Learning to Program" course, students will discover that "technical complexity in application development tools is a myth and that everyone can do it," the statement added. Taking a page from the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge its execs embraced, Microsoft is encouraging students to complete the Hour of Code and challenge four other friends to do the same (Google Translate).

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  1. Ditch diggers and codemonkeys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The one percent will always need them.

  2. no Americans need apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nope, no programming jobs for American programmers. America is only for MBAs and bureaucrats. Programmers are elsewhere. Americans who don't want to be team players in the farcical football game that is the American "workplace" must necessarily be homeless and destitute, because there are no real jobs in America, none at all. Real work is done in the Overseas, not in America, because America is the land of the worthless.

    1. Re:no Americans need apply by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry. I didn't know that programming was something that only Americans were allowed to do. We'll just keep it a secret, then.

    2. Re:no Americans need apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and I'm sorry. I'm sure an American company known for abusing the H1-B visa program really has pure intentions when trying to raise a generation of coders in a third-world country, rather than promoting such educational programs in their own country of residence.

    3. Re:no Americans need apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You must have really poor programming skills to be this insecure.

    4. Re:no Americans need apply by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      Nope, no programming jobs for American programmers. America is only for MBAs and bureaucrats. Programmers are elsewhere. Americans who don't want to be team players in the farcical football game that is the American "workplace" must necessarily be homeless and destitute, because there are no real jobs in America, none at all. Real work is done in the Overseas, not in America, because America is the land of the worthless.

      Last I looked at the map, Brazil was part of America.

  3. From your bedroom to your computer... by MindPrison · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    ...Microsoft wants Latin America to become the new India.

    You know, Rosalita from the Goonies (the 85s Steven Spielberg movie)? Everyone used to have a Latino maid, worker, dishwasher, grease-monkey doing all the hard work you don't want to. And then all the good jobs was outsourced to brainy India who had both the means and poverty to make it happen. Today most programmers come from India.

    Microsofts idea is nothing but pure genious. Remember the issues America have with skilled immigration these days? This could change it all.

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    What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
    1. Re:From your bedroom to your computer... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Keep pursuing the cheapest labour and pretty soon you will have no one to sell your code to, as no one will be afford to buy the devices to put the code on. It's all about balanced economies, not the greatest possible exploitation, not unlimited growth, not the highest possible productivity which in reality implies the cheapest possible labour (when will you guys and gals wake up to that one, what did you really think all that spin about increasing productivity really meant).

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  4. Re:Intention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So what? They still create jobs.

  5. Everybody does not need to program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And judging by the problems many people have with word problems, not everybody has the analytical aptitude for even simple programs. By the way, how's that H1B visa trouble going, Microsoft?

    1. Re:Everybody does not need to program by koan · · Score: 1

      ^^^

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      "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  6. Complexity by jones_supa · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the virtual, 12-session "Learning to Program" course, students will discover that "technical complexity in application development tools is a myth and that everyone can do it," the statement added.

    Well, I guess that avoids scaring the beginners away. But really, modern programming is often about managing hugely complex codebases with hundreds of thousands of lines of code. It's not the end of the world, and all that can be managed, but beyond writing some just-add-water toy apps, the technical complexity certainly is there.

    1. Re:Complexity by Seumas · · Score: 2

      "Everyone can do it". Therefore, you're worthless. We'll give you an instruction pamphlet on signing up for food stamps when you are hired, though!

    2. Re:Complexity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In the virtual, 12-session "Learning to Program" course, students will discover that "technical complexity in application development tools is a myth and that everyone can do it," the statement added.

      Well, I guess that avoids scaring the beginners away. But really, modern programming is often about managing hugely complex codebases with hundreds of thousands of lines of code. It's not the end of the world, and all that can be managed, but beyond writing some just-add-water toy apps, the technical complexity certainly is there.

      My experience with people assigned to a task which requires some level of programming and the person has little to no experience much less aptitude has been unsurprisingly negative. But these people tend to be very adept at office politics so they get protected by management while anyone competent either develops severe mental illness or escapes from the "team" as quickly as possible. Why do corporate executives think programming is trivial?

    3. Re:Complexity by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Everyone can code in the same way that everyone can play soccer or bowling. Only a small number of people will be genuinely incapable of it, most people can master the basics, but it takes skill and perseverance to become good enough to make a living doing it, and only a handful make it to the top.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    4. Re:Complexity by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      A journey of a 1000 miles begins with one step.

      Everybody starts programming with toy apps, like Hello World.

      Yes, complexity exists. But you start by showing people it's not magic and incomprehensible, and then go from there.

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      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    5. Re:Complexity by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      They do not think progrsmming is trivial. They think that as long as the magic smoke doesn't escape, the computer can do anything if the right incantations are being used.

      Seriously, a lot of them simply have no idea that it involes much more that downloading something or putting a disk in the coffe cup holder and click the right buttons in the right order. And when you do your job programming correctly, it is all they functionally need to know. It is a catch 22 i guess.

  7. Re:Intention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No, they're creating cheap employees.

  8. It seems by koan · · Score: 2

    All tech giants really want is cheap labor, making tech giants a threat.

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  9. Ice Bucket Challenge....? by Seumas · · Score: 1

    That's... not how the ice bucket challenged worked. The challenge was to EITHER pay $100 to a charity OR perform an action. So this is taking a page out of the ice bucket challenge . . . in . . . absolutely no ways whatsoever.

    1. Re:Ice Bucket Challenge....? by Barny · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is more like a chain letter, but in reverse.

      It should be: "Get 4 other people to sign up OR Microsoft will teach you how to code"

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  10. What does this have to do with the ice bucket? by Tyr07 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This makes absolutely no sense.

    This is Microsoft to offer free online courses in latin America.

    Not, you have to take this programming course or dump water on yourself or something.

    i'm super torn on this. I love that people are getting access to education that they don't usually get, but at the same time I feel that's just so later they can go 'Well, America doesn't have the skills we need, so we need cheap visa workers to work in this field.'

    1. Re:What does this have to do with the ice bucket? by allo · · Score: 1

      Why is op modded Troll?

    2. Re:What does this have to do with the ice bucket? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Yep.. but i don't think it is about jobs like most seem to jump to. I think it is about trying to tie future employment to MS products to avoid these countries from gravitating to cheaper opensource platforms and thereby making MS somewhat irrelevant in those markets. Right now, the biggest driver of MS products in those areas is compatability with US and other prefominate MS businesses. But as anymosity grows against the NSA and other spy agencies and the governments behind them along with the interoperability of web platforms that can change. So by locking a future generation into MS frameworks, they are securing future demand in these markets.

  11. Less Ice Bucket Challenge. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    More 'Chain Letter' spam.

  12. Re:Welp, we're screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Companies have a big incentive to train all the foreigners how to program at an early age, then have them take American jobs for pennies on the dollar when they're old. Save your money, programming is going to make peanuts in the near future.

    SFTU, n00b. In 2003, when I was getting out of college, offshoring to India was all the rage. It looked like the apocalypse for software devs in the US.

    A decade later, yep, were walking around in a bombed out career wasteland with no jobs to be found, dreaming of what it would be like if there were large companies trying to hire the best devs and offering huge salaries and perks for that privilege. Oh wait. No, we aren't. Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft, et al, all do that. FFS, WhatsApp just got bought for eleventy billion dollars. It's probably the best time to be in software development, ever.

    Don't begrudge these kids sharing the joy of learning to code. What kind of small-minded person are you that would keep a child from the same kind of education that brought you so much fulfillment? Do you really live your life in fear that someone is going to take your job? Maybe you should take all that energy you are wasting on fearing others and trying to keep them down and put it into bettering yourself.

  13. Re:1 hour experience by allo · · Score: 2

    They guess, you will continue to learn after this hour, because you want to extend your program to do more cool stuff.

  14. Re:1 hour experience by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    The web coder with one hour of experience in the latest flavor-of-the-month framework will get the job.

    Especially if that framework has only existed for 15 minutes.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  15. Re:Anything for a FP Microsoft Story! by S.O.B. · · Score: 1

    Or he really was clothed and they made a point of mentioning he was clothed because there are people who will infer autoerotic asphyxiation regardless of the facts.

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    Some of what I say is fact, some is conjecture, the rest I'm just blowing out my ass...you guess.
  16. Screw M$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Have fun with that when the self driving trucks hit the road in ~5 years. Maybe a Latin American will be programming them by then.

  17. Re:Intention? by gnupun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Exactly, so if we changed the school curriculum to teach business courses (including sales and marketing) at an early age, there would be competition to companies like microsoft. This would lead to more businesses being created. With more businesses around, there would be intense competition for qualified or even average workers and employee wages would have to rise.

    Right now, business is taught at a very late age to students -- near or above the age of 20 and is often prohibitively expensive. In other words, most people are taught to be employees. People with an aptitude for business should be taught early in the same way math is taught at an early age.

  18. Shut down this Anti-American company by MarcosYXY · · Score: 1

    Ice bucket? Rather bucket of proceeding against this Anti-American company. They plainly hate USA and and American workers.
    This company should be dissolved already. One day they cry about not being able to find people to fulfill jobs opening and next day lobbying for increase in H1B visas.

    We should identify companies like this and asked to move to India, China or Korea. If you hate America there is no place here for you.

    1. Re:Shut down this Anti-American company by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

      There is so much wrong with what you say, that every word coming from you is faulty. American computer programmers earned their qualifications upon their own merit. Most of them went to college and worked hard for many years, spending tens of thousands of dollars, for a hard earned college degrees in some of the most challenging academic courses. After they have spent, many tens of thousands, even in excess of a hundred grand, and many years of hard work on their college degree, with the promise that their hard work and effort would pay off, they have the rug pulled out on them by having the jobs they were promised stolen and given to a far less qualified foreigner who went to some third world degree mill college that can't hold a candle to the American college degree, and investing only 10% on their third world education that an American spent on their first world education.

      Secondly, you cannot have a country without borders. Yes, a primary qualification for a job in a country must be that you are a natural born with inherited citizenship. The US and its government exists for one purpose, to defend the interests of Americans, to secure its borders for its own people, and to defend its resources and jobs for the benefit of Americans. Indians et al already have their own country with its own government. You wouldnt expect the government of India to be interested in giving Indian jobs to American citizens. Its totally unreasonable and absurd, likewise, for the American government to be interested in giving American jobs for Indians, in fact to do so would be an act of treason and a violation of the primary responsibility of a government to defend the soveriegnty of the territory for its own people. The government of a country exists to serve the interests of its own citizens who were born in that country. Period. Full Stop. End of Story. If people of say India, want a job they need to work to fix their own countries problems and have every right to demand a government in India that works to secure that for them. It the same for Americans, Americans must demand that the government of their country serve the interest of American citizens and defend the sovereignty of the country from foreign incursions. The paramount purpose of a government of a country is serve its own people to defend the borders and that this is an essential thing that gives it legitimacy, and it is a severe violation of those responsibilities to aid and abet foreign incursions.

    2. Re:Shut down this Anti-American company by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

      I dont know how many times this must be repeated. The US and its resources belongs exclusively to the people of the country. The United States is the native born American people. The government is merely constituted for the purpose of defending their territorial domain from foreign incursions and serving the exclusive interests of the citizens. Are the citizens of any country the sole ones with exclusive right to employment within it? Yes. That is an essential part of very definition of what a country, citizenship and borders is. The only reason that Americans cannot find work is because of the traitorous actions of the US government that knowingly helped Indians steal their jobs. This didnt just happen. It was a result of intentional policies. Policies which were commited knowing that they would destroy the jobs and lives of American citizens. This is an act of treason. If you support this it can only be contempt of American workers.

      All H1B visas are about is rich people getting richer by paying workers less so they can grab more of the profits for themselves. The cost of this is the ruined lives of American citzens whose jobs have been stolen.

      We HAVE EVERY RIGHT to demand and expect that our government expel all H1B visa holders and seal the borders NOW and that is the only thing that can legitimize our government. If they refuse they have commited an act of severe neglect and delinquency, if not treason. Our government OWES this to US as the government is created for this purpose, its really the main and foremost reason it exists which is why in the Constitution defense is most prominently mentioned. The American people should demand that the Johnson Reed Act of 1924 be reconstituted along with the Naturalization Act of 1790 which would put back the restrictive immigration policies we had in the 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s.

  19. ?Puedo programar con Visual Studio RT? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Dang it Slashdot, the Spanish opening question mark is not an RTL override!

    I think the problem is that Microsoft is known for selling computing devices that use technical measures to prevent their users from programming them. Can this Yo Puedo Programar course be completed on a Surface RT tablet? If not for entering code, then what's that keyboard for? How about on a Nokisoft phone with an HDMI monitor and a Bluetooth keyboard?

  20. trying to buy ipad and Makerbot in 1980? by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Erh... no. The supply side never created jobs. Never has, never will. A job is created if, and only if, there is someone willing and able to pay for the goods and/or services that job creates.

    Yeah I remember back in 1980 we were all going into the stores trying to buy ipads and 3D printers. After we consumers did the R&Dand speced out exactly what kind of iPad we wanted to buy, Apple ordered some from China and started selling them.

    Wait, maybe I'm remembering wrong. Maybe a bunch of companies hired a bunch of engineers, programmers, and product designers to come up with a variety of different computing devices, hoping that they'd come up with something people wanted to buy. Maybe people did not buy the first few tablet models, so for the first 15 years those companies were losing money trying. Maybe Maybe eventually one company, Apple, developed a version people would buy.

    I don't remember for sure, which of those two scenarios actually happened?

    1. Re:trying to buy ipad and Makerbot in 1980? by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Neither of those scenarios happened, so you are remembering wrong.

      Pad-like devices showed up in science fiction first. Some of the most visible examples are Star Trek (1966), 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (1978). Millions and millions of people were introduced to the concept of handheld computing devices through fiction and lots of those people wanted one.

      One of those people was Alan Kay, who was a PhD candidate at the time. He developed the idea more fully into something he called a Dynabook in 1978, long before any company had even thought about anything of the sort.

      Science fiction authors gave us the idea and it was so appealing that people wanted it to exist. Companies eventually recognized the demand for those devices and worked toward creating them, but they didn't create the idea or the demand.

    2. Re:trying to buy ipad and Makerbot in 1980? by kmoser · · Score: 1

      Science fiction authors also gave us plenty of ideas we wouldn't want, not to mention technologies that are laughable (steam-powered dirigibles to commute to work?). They don't have a monopoly on ideas, nor do they consistently come up with ideas before everyone else. They are simply a popular conduit through which ideas flow.

  21. Re: Intention? ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Who wants to ride our dead horsey? Anyone? .. It's the same as indebted servitude for wizard clicking monkeys. This hour of code is considered an advanced degree in their countries, now they'll get sponsored H1 visas.. How come MS won't sponsor these programs in U.S. Or for anyone over 25? That's discrimination.
            Now that the profits are going out of the country, MS needs to recruit outside of the country and keep the loyalty to the monopoly because the programmers and consumers in the US have figured it out and are not buying the FUD anymore.

  22. Re:Intention? by sumdumass · · Score: 2

    That's completely correct. Only people without money create jobs. The homeless person down by the river employs 4 people now. My single mother neighbor who has been accepting government assistance since her ten year old boy was born employs 2 full time employees which is ip from one before the recession hit.

    Now back to reality land. A job is created if enough funds are availible to compensate a person for the amount of value they add to an employer's product, service, or wealth. The ability to resell is not completely linked to this else there would be fewer grounds keepers, home health workers, maids, and so on. What makes a job is the the capital resources being availible to fullfil a want or need and that simply does not happen without excess money from somewhere. Employers create jobs more than non employers because they have the resources and the majority of framework involved already in place and are in a better position to capitalize on opertunity. You seem to confuse oppertunity with job creation. You should not do that because in a lot of situations, it is the ability to exploit that oppertunity not the fact that it exists.

  23. conveniently leave out Xerox, Apple by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I notice you conveniently left Xerox out of the Dynabook story. The project originally called "the interim Dynabook" was renamed the Alto. Xerox had done the R&D to develop Kay's idea into a working machine. Around this time, Xerox owned part of Apple, so they invited Steve Jobs and other Apple people to Xerox Parc, where they had a look at the Alto (Dynabook) development version. The Apple folks really liked the GUI idea, so they worked and worked to transform it into something that could work in the real world, made of materials that actually existed. And that's how we got the desktop GUI.

    Kay had a wish "I wish for a kid's toy that's tablet sized, with a battery that lasts forever". Xerox and Apple started with the wish and developed something doable - and completely different from Kay's original vision. Kay jad wished for a children's device, Apple and Xerox created the desktop computer GUI for adults, something nobody had asked for.

    1. Re:conveniently leave out Xerox, Apple by jpellino · · Score: 1

      Kay wished for a culture of symmetrical consumption and creation and a UI that anyone could use. He was smart enough to know that you better start with kids or it will never happen. Alto owes at least as much to NLS as to Dynabook.

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      "Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
    2. Re:conveniently leave out Xerox, Apple by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      I didn't conveniently leave anything out. I highlighted the introduction of the idea and the demand from people that existed before any company (including PARC) started developing the idea into an actual product.

      The Dynabook concept was introduced two years before PARC was created, so it's a bit ridiculous to suggest that they created the idea.

    3. Re:conveniently leave out Xerox, Apple by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Leaving out Xerox seems to be pretty common, and not just with tablets. Xerox was one of the first companies with a commercial "windowing" graphical interface too.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    4. Re:conveniently leave out Xerox, Apple by retchdog · · Score: 1

      oh, don't bother. you can't resolve every stupid nitpick people bring up, and even if you did no one will bother reading past the "+5, Insightful" nitpick anyway.

      fuck this place.

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      "They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
  24. Fuck by pooh666 · · Score: 1

    the Bucket

  25. Personal profit == funding? by s.petry · · Score: 1

    The amount of funds that actually goes to ALS research from the Ice Bucket challenge is a very low percentage, while the people in charge of the charity are paying themselves well over living wages on the same charity dime. If you research various charities you will find that this is not a unique practice. I personally am very careful where my donations go, and would not donate to this one. This "charity" claims that 72.4% of the donations for "program expenses" which includes salaries. Here is a source in case you are interested, which shows that out of 24 million in donations they claim 21 million in "expenses" leaving a whopping 3 million for actual donation. Sadly this gets them a 4 star rating, because many charities only donate a fraction of a percent and yet can still be tax exempt "charities".

    Microsoft could easily be using this for a similar objective. Obviously these programs entitle them to a tax write off, but longer term leads to reduced developer pay so increased profits. India and China have been increasing in costs, and are not that far from the US in costs for developers today. Obviously this is also used for public relations (propaganda).

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  26. Ageism by markus.neifer · · Score: 1

    So they are looking for young people only? But why?

  27. It could hardly be more nakedly transparent. "These skills are expensive among our people, so third worlders please line up to train for your sweatshop jobs. At least a few of you will have aptitude, if we screen enough of you. We will pay you comparatively nothing so we can make more buckets of money, and you will like it because it's still more than you get now."

    And now, I fully expect to be tarred and feathered, for how awful and insensitive I am for merely noticing that the tech companies are doing this.

    1. Re:Wow by Kittenman · · Score: 1

      Totally agree. But it's akin to a pub/saloon/nightclub having a 'beer pong' game or some other drinking game set up. You 'have fun' and they sell booze.

      Nothing wrong with that if you want to drink like a fish. Likewise, if the Central Americans want to learn to program, sign up ...

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      "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
  28. Re:Welp, we're screwed by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

    Oh, FFS, you mean to tell me you never read a tutorial or stackexchange?

    Those things were not available to me in 1986, when I wrote my first game. The computer came with a reference for BASIC. I read it. I started programming. I went to the library to get more information. I programmed some more. I got my hands on the computer reference. I programmed some more. I don't ever recal reading something called a "tutorial", but I do remember reading a lot of other peoples code published in magazines.

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  29. ALS foundation invented the chain letter? by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

    The one-year view of world history seems to those of us older than about twelve to be somewhat short-sighted.