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Verizon Wireless Caves To FCC Pressure, Says It Won't Throttle 4G Users

MetalliQaZ writes Verizon Wireless was scheduled to begin throttling certain LTE users today as part of an expanded "network optimization" program, but has decided not to follow through with the controversial plan after criticism from Federal Communications Commission Chairman Tom Wheeler. All major carriers throttle certain users when cell sites get too congested, but Wheeler and consumer advocates objected to how carriers choose which customers to throttle. The fact that Verizon was throttling only unlimited data users showed that it was trying to boost its profits rather than implementing a reasonable network management strategy, Wheeler said.

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  1. what's this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A sensible decision from the FCC ?
    Next you're gonna tell me they decided against the fast lanes?

    1. Re:what's this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Verizon Wireless Caves To FCC Pressure, Says It Won't Throttle 4G Users - opting to strangle them instead.

    2. Re:what's this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These fuckers just can't stomach the fact that I'm still on an unlimited data plan.

    3. Re:what's this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a way better deal to spend your money buying your own hardware than it is to pay Big Red more for less of the same thing.

  2. English is so wonderful flexible. by jcrb · · Score: 0

    "Unlimited" has as much meaning for Verizon as "Evil" does for Google.

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    1. Re:English is so wonderful flexible. by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      And Verizon is basically pure, incorporated evil, so it all makes sense in the cosmos.

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    2. Re:English is so wonderful flexible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Verizon is basically pure, incorporated evil, so it all makes sense in the cosmos.

      Verizon's just a phone company.

      Google is an ad agency.

      Between the two, guess which one has a private jumbo jet for execs...

    3. Re:English is so wonderful flexible. by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wouldn't be surprised if you told me that Verizon execs were carried around on golden chariots carried by starved eunuch slave children.

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    4. Re:English is so wonderful flexible. by Holi · · Score: 1

      Screw the 767, Google has a fight jet, or more accurately a Dornier Alpha Jet.

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  3. Hah! by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 0

    GrumpyCatGood.JPG

    I've been keeping an eye on my speed today, waiting to see the hammer come down but my connection kept chugging away. Got both 32 and 64 bit versions of Windows 10 at full speed.

  4. Throttle, indeed by Wootery · · Score: 4, Funny

    Verizon confirms new 'strangulation' policy.

    1. Re:Throttle, indeed by BrennanPratt · · Score: 1

      Right. They won't throttle your connection. Now they just track your ass with GPS and have someone murder you.

    2. Re:Throttle, indeed by idontgno · · Score: 1

      And then charge your estate for "early termination".

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  5. Thanks Big Red! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must give you credit when you cave correctly.

    1. Re:Thanks Big Red! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure they achieved their true goal of reducing high-use UDP customers by either getting them to switch to TDP or go elsewhere.

  6. 4G is Losing to Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is really just a PR spin on desperation. Verizon can't afford to alienate 4G users, they invested heavily in 4G (and dumped all new fios investments) because they thought 4G would be a cash cow. But all the data caps and throttling they've done have chased customers to free wifi hotspots and there ain't no reason to come back.

    1. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not PR spin. They're not allowed to throttle LTE service for grandfathered unlimited accounts. It's part of the agreement they made with the government when they bought the 700Mhz spectrum. They were probably hoping everyone had forgotten.

    2. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by kiphat · · Score: 2

      +1 if I had mod-points. That was an interesting read. I knew that shit would back-fire. Just like the damn cable companies and their bullshit price-gouging will eventually bite them in the ass.

    3. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2

      It's not PR spin. They're not allowed to throttle LTE service for grandfathered unlimited accounts. It's part of the agreement they made with the government when they bought the 700Mhz spectrum. They were probably hoping everyone had forgotten.

      What were the terms of that agreement, exactly? Because they sold the 700Mhz spectrum they bought to T-Mobile for $2.4 billion. Are they still bound by the terms of that auction, even though they no longer hold the fruits of that auction?

    4. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 3, Informative

      As far as I know, they only sold their A and B blocks and still have the C blocks that they bought.

    5. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So if you hate the way the cellular oligopolists are fucking with us, you can stick it to them by running an openwireless.org wifi hotspot.

    6. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by Dynedain · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately it hasn't stopped AT&T from throttling the speeds of their grandfathered unlimited plans. If you go over 2GB of data in a month, they throttle you to Edge speeds.

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    7. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by supremebob · · Score: 2

      I'd imagine that this problem will eventually resolve itself, as Verizon isn't letting users keep their $30 a month Unlimited data plans when they get a new phone on contract.

      Sure, some people are willing to pay $750 for their shiny new iPhone 6 to keep their unlimited plan, but I'll bet that most rather get it for $199 on a new contract and get downgraded to a 2 GB plan.

    8. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      They do throttle, but the threshold is 5GB. http://www.att.com/esupport/da...

      They also claim to only reduce speeds during network congestion (deprioritizing your traffic, essentially). In practice, I haven't noticed any slowdown. YMMV.

    9. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They got called out on trying to institute some on the unlimted users (which isn't as "great" as you'd think unless you're trying to use your phone as an unlimited data spigot and trying to bittorrent warez, etc. with.) which they got their dick stomped on over.

      In reality, they've gone mostly a differing route on things. You buy a block of data ahead of time. Past 2G, it's cheaper by proportion per gig than the $15 they charge you if you don't have a block or if you go over your block. Realistically speaking, most people won't use more than about 6-12 G. Which, surprisingly, was what I was spending for "unlimited" data on my phone and the 10Gb on my USB dongle. Unless I needed to download a Linux distribution DVD or do an initial run on an OpenEmbedded build, I didn't use more than about 6-ish. It ended up being $100/mo cheaper for me to let go of that "unlimited" plan and go with their other- along with getting a "free" Galaxy S4. Would it have been nice to keep the unlimited? Probably. Is it as big a damn deal as the people bitching about it is? Nope. Not even close. I'd have had to be using 30-50 Gb of data all the time for it to have been of value. You'd have to be streaming movies and the like off of the *mobile* service to use that much. And...if you're using that much, you're probably needing to use their Fixed LTE service instead. It's usage tiers start at about 150-200Gb and go up similarly to the mobile service ones'.

    10. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should be noted that Stop The Cap's *HARDLY* a source for this sort of information. They're all for getting the free rides and forcing companies to not have any profits whatsoever. I lump them mainly into the same bucket as the Occupiers (Occupooers?)- which means unless there's other factual information, any time you or anyone else links to them, you *AUTOMATICALLY* lose your argument on the spot.

    11. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, and then you pay more in the long run because the 2gb plan actually costs more than keeping your old unlimited. Amortized over two years (average life of the phone) costs $10 more than my existing voice + unlimited data, plus an extra $15/month if you go over your cap (assuming you use 2.1gb every month) comes out to $240 more for just the plan + $360 for overages + $200 you paid for your phone = $800. Far under the $600 price tag for the brand new GS4 I bought over a year ago. For me, paying retail price for the phone was a more cost effective option.

    12. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck was your bill before? Because I'm on unlimited and my bill is like $110.

      Unlimited is only $30/month, so I'm calling bullshit here.

    13. Re: 4G is Losing to Wifi by TerryMathews · · Score: 1

      Verizon is bound by certain open access rules because of the 700MHz spectrum it bought. Apples and oranges.

      AT&T has more latitude in managing its spectrum than Verizon does.

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    14. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many people are left on those grandfathered accounts. The only way to stay on it is to continue to buy a phone outside of Verizon and swap in a sim card. As soon as you buy so much as a lollipop from the Verizon store you are switched to the new plan.

    15. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like a nutjob. Every article stop the cap runs is backed up with references to original sources, like this story which contained a link to a Business Week article. If citing a stop the cap editorial is an automatic dis-qualifier in your eyes, that just means your vision was crap to begin with.

    16. Re:4G is Losing to Wifi by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      Not true. You can buy your phone directly from Verizon. You have to pay full price, tho. I've seen me do it. When the S5 came out, I walked into a store (a real Verizon store, not a partner store) and explained that I wanted to make sure my unlimited data plan got transferred. Walked out 5 minutes later with unlimited data on my new phone and around $700 less dollars to my name. And I can use my old phone as a mini tablet.

      The only time I've run into trouble was the last time I traveled internationally. I couldn't turn on international data on the website without picking a "valid" domestic data plan and "valid" text messaging plan. I chatted with an online rep who was able to add international data without changing my domestic plans. Also had to chat with a rep to get international data turned off when I got back. I suspect this is one of the slimy ways they're trying to push people onto metered data plans.

      Verizon claims over 20% of their customers still have unlimited accounts. I think that's a load of shit for several reasons but that's what they claim.

  7. I wonder how he is... by mikeiver1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder how he is going to be coming down on net neutrality? Anyone care to bet that it will be on the side of the internet providers? Give us a little sugar and then fuck us up the poop shoot!

    1. Re:I wonder how he is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Verizon doesn't know how to play ball with Tom. This is just the result of that negligence.

    2. Re:I wonder how he is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ignorance. The word for when you don't know something is ignorance. Negligence is the word for when parents don't teach their children basic vocabulary. Negligence.

    3. Re:I wonder how he is... by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, he didn't actually do anything regarding throttling except to voice disapproval. As someone else mentioned, making noise and taking action are two different things, and so far he's really only done the former. It's an improvement over past chairmen, perhaps, but not something we should necessarily be satisfied with.

  8. Damnit Wheeler by Yakasha · · Score: 2

    I want to hate you! Stop being so fucking reasonable!

  9. Too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This bullshit is exactly why I decided to leave Verizon. I was one of their unlimited customers, and clearly they didn't want me enough to even offer me a reasonable out. While I don't have unlimited service anymore, at least my new carrier doesn't treat me like I'm doing something wrong just for abiding by the plan they put in place when I signed my contract.

  10. They throttle anyways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I do still carry an unlimited data plan. I have been tethering for free for a few years now too, (wifi hotspot, bluetooth and via USB cable). As I reach somewhere from 6-9GB per month now of data usage, I still have my connection but it is throttled from the typical 15-20mbps, to more like 500kbps or less.

    They're already throttling... what's this stupid FCC BS about? They don't have control.

  11. Telenor... by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    ...in Scandinavia (at least where I live) have been throttling their cellphone unlimited data plan users for a very long time, they don't ever admit to this so how do I know? Fairly simple. All four indicators (signal strength) indicates that the reception is top notch. Doesn't miss a call, but when you try to connect the phone to the computer to use it as a modem...things change pretty fast. The signal remains at full strength, but after surfing a few pages (or using roughly 1mbit), I got the famous 404 ...and of course, I couldn't surf anywhere. Still...how do I know?

    Once I reset the data connection (on the mobile), I get about the same amount of surfing until the famous 404 shows its ugly face again. In the beginning I called the phone company Telenor again and again about this, and finally two technicians called me and told me they had a capacity issue in my area, and that it wouldn't be economically viable to put up another relay or increase the capacity. But they denied throttling it, but said that they where working on "optimization". Confession right there. 4 years later, same story. Luckily I'm on a land line now.

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    1. Re:Telenor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are in error.
      404 is an error message from the webserver saying that you have requested a page that does not exist.
      It is extremely unlikely that your cell service is rewriting URLs to be bogus in transit in order to throttle users.
      If they wanted to throttle you they'd simply restrict the bandwidth like everybody else does.

  12. Sprint? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this same warning apply to users of sprint "unlimited" data?

  13. Holy inflammatory headlines, Batman! by mvdwege · · Score: 0

    "Caves to FCC Pressure"? Really?

    Oh that poor Verizon, can't just exploit its customers like so many sheep to the slaughter, what is this world coming to.

    Samzenpus is really trying to turn this place into FoxSlash, isn't he? This some of the most sycophantic corporate-asslicking prose I've seen here so far.

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  14. Thanks Wheeler by allquixotic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I still dislike most of the political rhetoric coming out of Verizon and Verizon Wireless, I have to concede that this is a huge benefit for me personally. I'm an unlimited 4G customer who uses my phone as my primary Internet connection (I pay an extra $30/month for the privilege of "legally" tethering via the built-in Mobile Hotspot app that comes standard with Android; the app is disabled if you don't pay up).

    It's plenty fast enough for my needs, even when the network is congested. It's a perfectly viable primary Internet connection, with native IPv6, and can be shared with desktops, laptops, smart devices, tablets, and other phones using 802.11ac, Bluetooth, or USB RNDIS.

    I'm perfectly fine with being temporarily slowed down if the tower I'm on is congested. All they have to do is use a fair queue algorithm, not too dissimilar to what the Linux kernel's I/O scheduler does. But what was being proposed was to single out unlimited data users who use more than a certain amount of data, and slow them down artificially even more than everyone else.

    I think this brought me back from the brink of having to face the prospect of getting ADSL or cable again. The problem with these services, in my area at least, is that every time we've ever tried them, they prove to have about a 50% uptime. That is to say, they're very intermittently available. They may not go down for 2 weeks at a stretch every month, but you'll certainly experience 10, 20, or 30 different 2 or 3 minute dropout periods during the course of a single day; sometimes the dropouts are longer, and sometimes there are more or less of them. I experience nothing of the sort with LTE.

    While it would take the construction of many more towers in suburban and urban areas to be able to offer *every* customer unlimited data on LTE (or even to increase the typical monthly cap from around 2 GB to around 200 GB), and some people think that it would require the construction of "too many" towers, I'm still glad that this decision benefits me.

    I'm certainly not going to become a Verizon Wireless booster, singing their praises on high; but this gives me a little respite from the endless barrage of anti-consumer laws and corporate practices that have been coming down the pipe lately.

    A little bit of sanity goes a long way, in this case. For me and thousands of others who still have unlimited data.

  15. Thanks Wheeler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You're throwing away 30 dollars a month. Paying to have it unlocked doesn't make it legal. It's already legal.

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