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35,000 Walrus Come Ashore In Alaska
the eric conspiracy writes "Lack of sea ice in the Arctic has forced record numbers of walrus to come ashore in Alaska. The walrus, looking for a place to rest have come ashore in Point Lay Alaska. The walrus normally rest on floating ice. "We are witnessing a slow-motion catastrophe in the Arctic," Lou Leonard, vice president for climate change at the World Wildlife Fund, said in a statement that was reported by CNN. "As this ice dwindles, the Arctic will experience some of the most dramatic changes our generation has ever witnessed. This loss will impact the annual migration of wildlife through the region, threaten the long-term health of walrus and polar bear populations, and change the lives of those who rely on the Arctic ecosystem for their way of life."
Everything I wished for us slowly coming thru
I can't believe Sarah Palin is going to be the one to finally push the USA government into actually doing something about this planet-wide ecology disaster.
... A bukkit
This is definitely the disasterous dastardly doings of the Eggman!
Things are only evidence of a given theory or they are only valid if they confirm current theory. It seems like too many things get labeled "this is because of global warming" but if the opposite thing happened the same people don't say "this shows global warming isn't happening". Its only in one direction. So every blizzard is global warming. Every heat wave is global warming. Every hurricane is global warming. Every shift in migration patterns is global warming.
Here someone is going to attack me for pushing the denialist/skeptic position... because god forbid anyone question the orthodoxy. But that isn't my point. I am not saying AGW isn't happening. I just think we are too quick to conclude every little thing is AGW related. If you can show it to be related... scientifically... that is with evidence... sorting for cause and not correlation... then fine. But did that happen here? They noted less sea ice, they noted the walruses, they noted AGW, and just linked A to B to C without bothering to any science in between. That is my problem.
Either do the science or disclaim your position with a statement that this is just your assumption/guess. I'm fine with people guessing. Guess all day. Don't tell me your guesses are science though.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Mass haulouts of Pacific walrus and stampede deaths are not new, not due to low ice cover
http://polarbearscience.com/20...
Large haulouts of walruses -- such as the one making news at Point Lay, Alaska on the Chukchi Sea (and which happened before back in 2009) -- are not a new phenomenon for this region over the last 45 years and thus cannot be due to low sea ice levels. Nor are deaths by stampede within these herds (composed primarily of females and their young) unusual, as a brief search of the literature reveals.
Includes references, links and copies of contemporary reports.
Do not tell Sarah Palin that 35,000 walrus have invaded her precious Alaska. She will head up in helicopter with an Uzi and start shooting them.
Oops, I posted a link about the Antarctic sea ice. Here is one about Arctic sea ice:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html
dressed in little walrus suits.
They are most likely made out of carbon. Could we get carbon credits for clubbing them (CCC) ?
Usual selective reporting from the Daily Mail - claiming a 29% rebound from an all-time record low is somehow "proof" that global warming is overblown. The link is a year old too - this year is actually the sixth lowest in the satellite record.
Worth looking at an actual trend, rather than Daily Mail headlines.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
The U.S. and Russia, with the support of groups such as Humane Society International, the Natural Resources Defence Council and the International Fund for Animal Welfare, had argued that allowing Canada to continue trading in the bears was contributing to more hunting at a time when their sea ice habitat is shrinking because of climate change. The Russians added that the Canadian trade makes it easier for poachers in Russia by allowing them to disguise their kills as legal bears from Canada.
But Canada — along with Greenpeace, the World Wildlife Fund, influential scientific bodies and other NGOs — said the Canadian hunt is sustainable and that the real threat to the bears is from climate change, not trade.
Although the world sided with Canada this time, Derocher notes support is slipping.
From http://www.macleans.ca/news/inuit-scientists-say-defeat-on-polar-bear-trade-ban-not-final/
This is caused by the Fukushima radiation which is the same reason as the whales leaving Alaska for the west coast.
So wow are the Carpenters doing?
Party!
...that 35k come to Point Lay to get laid?
Computer simulation made easy -- LibGeoDecomp
Just tell her to wear a seal costume to be more easily recognized so that nobody shoots her by mistake.
Ezekiel 23:20
How does this impact the gravity?
Is this a joke? I now need a Microsoft "Live" account to follow articles linked to by Slashdot?
I mean searching for 35000 walruses on google only provides about 2million hits the top one not being msn's sorry attempt at a failing portal.
Why not link to CNN or any of the other sites running the article. I can't believe I'm going to say this but why not link to someone's blog covering it?
So is this just the 35,000th Walrus to visit the shore, or 35,000 Walruses have visited the shore?
I can't make my mind up whether one has won the Walrus customer appreciation award or not.
On the picture in the link, it seems like there is a rubber like material holding them together ;-)
Zooming in, that picture doesn't seem to make sense. Photoshop? Please feel free to enlighten me.
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
"change the lives of those who rely on the Arctic ecosystem for their way of life"? You mean guys who are clubbing baby seals to death with strange looking polearms?
Out of all the arguments which could move me, they have picked one which makes me cheer for global warming...
But... but.. but the Daily Mail website told me that looking at actual trends would give me cancer!
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Science is not well served by shouting down people who disagree with you. It's served by providing evidence to back up your claims and explaining why your opponent's claims are factually incorrect. Labeling people skeptics without actually proving them wrong is counterproductive.
This assume that (a) the opponents care about facts, and (b) that they are being rational.
You do not have a debate between the "Rounders" and the Flat Earth Society.
There are of course times and places when a debate as you describe is useful, but as another commenter noted, is there anything to debate about Climate Change and in particular AGW?
18 years of no warming. EVERY IPCC report and prediction has been wrong, significantly wrong.
Who denies facts now?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/66428
Media hyped walrus climate scare stories debunked – Claims recycled year-after-year
Stop cherry picking years. 18 years ago there was an el nino event. Wait until the next one and it will be even worse. Average worldwide temperatures have been going up and up.
Better yet, what do street fighters fight?
Easier for the Eskimo to hunt now!
Boy, the alarmists just won't stop. Amazing
Trying desperately to make a point without getting buried in trolls, bigots, and fucktards.
Any issue that touches on something the politicals cares about always turns into a shit throwing contest. I could just stay out of it but things need to be said. Moderation. Patience. Due process.
And it is very hard to make that argument when the trolls, bigots, and fucktards are all primed like greased mouse traps to snap at just about anything. So I am trying to be sensitive to that while at the same time making my point. Were I to be direct then I would have had 40 replies to this post instead of just 15. Think about that. 15 fucking replies to this post. So yes... I tried to damp it down a bit.
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Anyone else read the title and simply think busloads of tourists from the lower 48 arrived in Alaska?
but now I'm just John"
As this ice dwindles:
-impact the annual migration of wildlife through the region.
-threaten the long-term health of walrus and polar bear populations.
-change the lives of those who rely on the Arctic ecosystem for their way of life.
Which of these possible outcomes strikes you as "catastrophic"? It is hyperbole like this that makes the global warming crowd look like Chicken Little. Seems to me, this is a good opportunity for local Alaskan restaurants to add walrus steak to their menus. Mmmm, blubbery.
The plural of walrus is walruses.
walrus = one animal
walruses = more than one animal
You'd think that someone would actually check this out before posting. It's not like we have the Internet at the tips of our fingers or anything.
Ask, and you shall receive
But, let me save you the trouble:
1. He's paid by someone you don't like maybe
2. It's been refused by other scientists saying, "Nuh uh!".
3. Solar influence is nearly strong enough to cause Global Warming...except when it declines and causes the Pause.
4. Heeeeee's not a Climate Scientist!!!!!
5. The Cartoonist at Skeptical Assholes says it's been refuted...but doesn't provide links to any real refutation. (see number 2).
Gore's film was based on the current climate science, it wasn't his opinion.
One of Gore's strengths is research. In the nineties he was tasked to study airline safety. His research led him to suggest changes that mirrored Israel's airline security measures. He submitted the findings in 1999. The response by the conservatives and the airline industry was immediate and harsh. Nothing was done. They even refused to reinforce or put locks on the cabin door.
Two years later a small group of terrorist hijacked four planes and committed mass murder on American soil. If Gore's recommendations had be put into effect, the hijackers would not have been able to gain access to the cabin. The airlines and conservative members of congress refused the one thing that would have saved thousands of lives.
Bucket manufacturers are now out of stock in Alaska
Start a club, and the whole world will join.
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designed to scare us into believing in their global warming junk science!
or something.
As McDonalds and other fast-food chains expand, so does the waistline. 35,000 Alaskans are stranded and can't move as too fat!
Having got past the urge to tell you to read the article (I know, why would you?):
Walruses can't stay indefinitely in the water like seals and similar mammals, so need somewhere to rest. Usually this is on ice, but the ice has apparently receded past the continental shelf so it's over deeper water. As the Walruses dive to feed off crustaceans and other tidbits on the seafloor, their larder is beyond reach if they stayed on the ice. Putting all this together, they had to find somewhere else to rest which just so happens to be here.
And just in case you wondered, they live in large groups anyway - it's not like roaming walruses decided to all congregate at once in this spot.
If you’re interested, I’ve pulled together some details on two past incidents of mass haulouts, from 1972 and 1978 in the same general region (with quotes, maps, and references).
http://polarbearscience.com/2014/10/01/mass-haulouts-of-pacific-walrus-and-stampede-deaths-are-not-new-not-due-to-low-ice-cover/
Susan Crockford, PolarBearScience
- So did global cooling (as it was cooling in the 1970s, so much so that another ice age was the dominant forecast) cause it? Grasping at straws the "global warming" crowd make themselves look silly yet again.
When did rock and roll die?