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Lost Sense of Smell Is a Strong Predictor of Death Within 5 Years

HughPickens.com writes: Mo Costandi reports at The Guardian that a new study shows losing one's sense of smell strongly predicts death within five years, suggesting that smell may serve as a bellwether for the overall state of the body, or as a marker for exposure to environmental toxins. "Olfactory dysfunction was an independent risk factor for death, stronger than several common causes of death, such as heart failure, lung disease and cancer," the researchers concluded, "indicating that this evolutionarily ancient special sense may signal a key mechanism that affects human longevity." In the study, researchers tested a group of volunteers for their ability to correctly identify various scents. Five years later, they retested as many of the volunteers as they could find.

During the five-year gap between the two tests, 430 of the original participants (or 12.5% of the total number) had died. Of these, 39% who had failed the first smell test died before the second test, compared to 19% of those who had moderate smell loss on the first test, and just 10% of those with a healthy sense of smell. Despite taking issues such as age, nutrition, smoking habits, poverty and overall health into account, researchers found those with the poorest sense of smell were still at greatest risk. The tip of the olfactory nerve, which contains the smell receptors, is the only part of the human nervous system that is continuously regenerated by stem cells. The production of new smell cells declines with age, and this is associated with a gradual reduction in our ability to detect and discriminate odors. Loss of smell may indicate that the body is entering a state of disrepair, and is no longer capable of repairing itself.

139 comments

  1. Nose smell recepters regenerated by stem cells? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    1. Harvest nose stem cells from homeless people
    2. ???
    3. Profit!

    1. Re:Nose smell recepters regenerated by stem cells? by plover · · Score: 4, Funny

      1. Harvest nose stem cells from homeless people
      2. ???
      3. Profit!

      So you've obviously lost your sense of taste. How long do you suppose you've got to live? :-)

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      John
    2. Re:Nose smell recepters regenerated by stem cells? by doccus · · Score: 1

      Am I the first to say that this story , well.stinks? ;-) Incidentally, I've had anosmia for 30 years. Not dead. Yet. Or, I couldn't have made a /. comment. Assuming, that is, that making a comment here requires some form of life in the first place.

    3. Re:Nose smell recepters regenerated by stem cells? by smithmc · · Score: 1

      In America? Forever, probably.

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  2. something smells funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something smells funny about this story.

    1. Re:something smells funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot Beta is now 1 year old, by the way. It was launched 1 October, 2013.

    2. Re:something smells funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing funny about the smell of old people. I'm pretty sure that my mom has no idea her whole assisted living apartment smells like pee and A&D ointment.

    3. Re:something smells funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something smells funny about this story.

      Yeah, I farted on it.

    4. Re: something smells funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you know that perfume companies won't employ zombies or circus clowns in their focus groups?

      Cuz they smell funny!

  3. Or maybe the sense of smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    is what so often keeps you out of trouble such as knowing when food has gone bad or you need to wash. From working in a nursing home, I think it is the lack of smell that kills a lot of people. I'm sure the lack of stem cell regeneration hurts, but not knowing when to was your hands or not knowing if food is bad can be a killer for someone with a weak immune system.

    1. Re: Or maybe the sense of smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way you know to wash your hands is by smelling them?

    2. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you wait until you stink to wash, you already have issues.

    3. Re: Or maybe the sense of smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama was ten at the time of the Watergate break-in. I don't know why you people keep blaming him for it. It's ridiculous.

    4. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by Jhon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dementia can wreak havoc on someone's ability to do stuff. Cues like "smell" would certainly help someone who isn't too far down the dementia path.

    5. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by jte · · Score: 2

      In a nursing home, food and hygiene are more the responsibility of the caregiver, not the patient.

    6. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you wash religiously, you won't stink.

      If you don't wash, you won't stink.

      If you wash periodically, you will stink.

      Human beings aren't supposed to stink. We're supposed to have bacterial cultures on our skin that prevent it. Washing kills those cultures.

      Here's some evidence:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05...

      Long story short, we use too much soap.

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      -1 Uncomfortable Truth
    7. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Yes, and for people whose bodies work 100% to specification, that's true. Don't be surprised if you find out that not everyone's born with a body that's in perfect working order.

      Second, many people don't want dirt and grime on them. Soap makes it easier to get rid of. Therefore, most take the acceptable loss of a regular cleaning regimen in return for having clean-looking skin without much scrubbing.

    8. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      My grandfather didn't have a sense of smell. So one day a skunk sprayed under his house and he never noticed, although he was getting nauseous but didn't know why. Then my grandmother came home and started shouting about how awful the smell was and he figured it out.

    9. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Human beings aren't supposed to stink.

      Sounds like you have some underlying religious assumptions.

    10. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      It has nothing to do with your body being in working order or not. They're a bacterial colony that grows on your skin. Like grass growing on a field. The earth does not extrude the grass, and your body doesn't produce the bacteria.

      Soap is unnecessary to get dirt off your body. You can scrub yourself with sand, you can rinse yourself in clear water and rub yourself with a scrubber.

      If you do this, you'll have healthier skin and it will look nicer and feel softer.

      Of course, you'd know all this if you read the fucking article.

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    11. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      If you wait until you stink to wash, you already have issues.

      Perhaps, but skin irritation from too much washing is unlikely to be amongst them, and since you won't stink, it's not like anyone can tell. So what does it matter?

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    12. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by omnichad · · Score: 2

      It has nothing to do with your body being in working order or not. They're a bacterial colony that grows on your skin. Like grass growing on a field. The earth does not extrude the grass, and your body doesn't produce the bacteria.

      Yes, it does. For the same reason some people are lactose intolerant and some aren't - the body supports the colony. If the body isn't the right environment, the colony will not grow correctly.

      You can scrub yourself with sand

      My skin's not quite that thick. I don't have standard-issue skin.

      Of course, you'd know all this if you read the fucking article.

      I read it (skimmed it - wordy garbage). I do not see how that makes every human body genetically uniform.

    13. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      You're a fucking idiot.

      If I said "Human beings aren't supposed to have 6 legs and snakes growing out of their head", would you make the same ridiculous comment?

      Go soak your head till the bubbles stop.

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      -1 Uncomfortable Truth
    14. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      You're a fucking idiot.

      If I said "Human beings aren't supposed to have 6 legs and snakes growing out of their head", would you make the same ridiculous comment?

      Go soak your head till the bubbles stop.

      Man, you religious nuts can't take a joke.

    15. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Human beings aren't supposed to stink. We're supposed to have bacterial cultures on our skin that prevent it. Washing kills those cultures.

      It's still washing if you don't use soap.

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    16. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to work in the back country where washing was basically impossible. You could rinse off, but the use of soap was discouraged as it would harm the water quality.

      Anyways, from personal experience after about half a week a person more or less hits peak stink. Not washing beyond that doesn't really cause you to get smellier. And even then, it's mostly the pits and feet which are really supposed to be open to the air most of the time to allow them to dry before the bacteria have a chance to grow.

    17. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      If you don't wash, you won't stink.

      Yep, tell that to the homeless guy on the subway the next time you see him. Better yet, tell yourself that while you're in the same car. And then tell your friends and coworkers afterwards that the smell coming off of you wasn't from getting skunked.

      Sorry dude, you will stink. Eventually. Some people faster than others. But it will happen. Just because you can't smell it anymore doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

      Other than that, you certainly will stink after bathing. Especially if you bathe in hot water. Cold water not as much. That's why people put on nice smelling things during and after they wash up.

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    18. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soap is unnecessary to get dirt off your body. You can scrub yourself with sand

      Sometimes I have no particular opinion in an argument and am willing to read other people's comments and see how my body's natural defenses take over.

    19. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While that makes sense for something like your body, it's really easy to get desensitized to smell. Although having a house that smells like a dirty cat box, or like mold, would likely indicate some problems anyway. (whether due to dementia or other mental problems... if you didn't mind when your house started smelling like poison constantly, you probably don't take care of yourself)

    20. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-_QKyipj_Y

    21. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not changing clothes has more to do with it than not washing the skin.

    22. Re:Or maybe the sense of smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My personal experience:

      I shower every day but I don't use soap because it tends to dry my skin out something fierce (some mild eczema in my family). I don't avoid soap completely, I use it when I wash my hands, do dishes, etc.. I use shampoo when I shower and don't avoid it washing over my body.

      I don't stink and I rarely use deodorant (as-needed on hot days / when I'm outside a lot or doing physical stuff).

      Other possible factors:
      - I'm a runner, and I can sweat a lot when I run. I skin always feels cleaner when I am running and sweating regularly (daily) than when I'm not b/c of rest, injuries, laziness, etc.
      - I'm a vegetarian.

  4. Yay science by Verdatum · · Score: 1

    Man this thing is drawing some invalid conclusions. Gotta love these digested tertiary sources.

    1. Re: Yay science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like it or not, if you are suffering from a diminished capacity to re-generate stem cells, you're already headed toward an invalid conclusion, whether you can draw or not.

  5. OMG, lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Olfactory dysfunction was an independent risk factor for death, stronger than several common causes of death, such as heart failure, lung disease and cancer," the researchers concluded, "indicating that this evolutionarily ancient special sense may signal a key mechanism that affects human longevity."

    I doubt the "loss" of smell is the cause of much at all but rather can be a symptom of a problem. Sounds like just another Corn-Flake theory...Most people who were involved in accidents or became sick had some sort of breakfast that morning.

    DAMN YOU EVIL BREAKFAST!!!

    Lolz

    1. Re:OMG, lol by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

      The "Corn Flake" issue does not apply here. If that were true than people who could smell and had cancer would die at about the same rate as those who could not smell and never have had cancer.

      A big issue is the small study size with limited data.

      So, it more points to promising lines of research than proving anything.

    2. Re:OMG, lol by plover · · Score: 2

      It didn't say "cause", it was noted as a correlation. Two different things.

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      John
    3. Re:OMG, lol by swillden · · Score: 1

      It didn't say "cause", it was noted as a correlation. Two different things.

      Different but related things. If you see a correlation, there is some cause for the correlation. "A correlated with B" doesn't mean "A causes B" or "B causes A", but it does imply that there is at least one causal chain that includes both A and B.

      You almost certainly understand this, but I often see people taking the position that "correlation != causation" to mean that they are completely unrelated.

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    4. Re:OMG, lol by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      A big issue is the small study size with limited data.

      So, it more points to promising lines of research than proving anything.

      I agree that the sample size is too small and the result could be the one hit wonder. If they keep researching and allow publishing of any result (both support and against), I am quite certain that the outcome is much lower.

      However, it is a common sense that humans would face more danger if their olfactory becomes malfunction (if you think about it). Why? What are the purposes of smell? One is to help you identify what is good and what is bad. Even though it is more subjective, it is a very common tool for screening any possible toxic to your health. Without smelling, you may accidentally walk into an area or room full with poison or danger (i.e. gas).

      Also, smell could enhance your appertize. If you do not or cannot smell, you may not be hungry when you should. As a result, you may not consume enough nutrient each day and could weaken your body.

      Last but not least, smell helps you identify what you should put in your mouth. Smell relates to your taste. If you do not smell, you may not know how bad the food you are eating. Try to do it by closing your nose and eat something smelly. You would see that whatever you eat is no longer that smelly; besides, its taste is a bit different (more toward bland). So if the food is already bad, it could cause trouble to your stomach because you do not properly smell and/or taste it.

      So to me, it is NOT a promising lines of research but rather a confirmation of common sense. Death can be related to many many factors! Of course, losing smell could be one of them, but making it as a big player in the death is non sense.

    5. Re:OMG, lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you failed to read the article. Better luck next time.

    6. Re:OMG, lol by sjames · · Score: 2

      According to TFA, the researchers stated clearly that the loss of the sense of smell is most likely a symptom of a condition that leads to death rather than being a direct cause. However, they cannot rule out the latter based on the research.

    7. Re:OMG, lol by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Anecdotical counter-evidence: my uncle lost his sense of smell back in '94, arguably because he was smoking too much. He quit smoking in '95 and is still alive and well, 19 years later. He's born in 1942, if anyone cares to know.

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    8. Re:OMG, lol by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

      Anecdotical counter-evidence: my uncle lost his sense of smell back in '94, arguably because he was smoking too much. He quit smoking in '95 and is still alive and well, 19 years later. He's born in 1942, if anyone cares to know.

      Back in high school (Jurassic Period) my girlfriend Holly had absolutely no sense of smell. She said that she just stopped smelling things when she was very young, perhaps 5 or 6 for no apparent reason. Otherwise, she was completely healthy. She was a top scholar, a "triple threat" on the stage, beautiful, talented, creative, curvy, great kisser, the whole package. The fact that she couldn't smell anything was just a wonderful gift from the lord, as far as I was concerned. . High school was a great time for a girlfriend that could not smell my feet, my athletics, morning breath, beer, weed, ciggies, cheap cologne, other chicks, my friends, or my dog... it was ideal at the time. Suddenly farts were funny again.

      But I wouldn't want to be around if babies arrived on the scene. If you cant smell baby shit then you're a public nuisance with infants. Anyway, she is still alive, 160 million years later....

    9. Re:OMG, lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's beautiful

    10. Re:OMG, lol by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

      The study was done on Americans between 57 and 85, so we can strike most of your objections. I don't think many died from gas leaks or rancid food.

      The researches did consider the link between smell, apatite, and caloric intake and where able to account for that. So strike that.

      A hint is that the study was inspired for the search for neurological diseases such as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. Being able to smell depends on stem cells rejuvenating the bits of the nose that we smell with. If those stem cells stop rejuvenating, does that mean that brain cells stop rejuvenating? The nose is the only sense that is directly connected to the brain. The jurry is still out on that question – but that is why I think it is a promising line of research.

  6. If they can't smell their own urine ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    So that's why if they can't smell their own urine, they usually die within a few years. Good to know it's not just "because they got used to the smell." And no, I'm not being facetious here.

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  7. Oh noes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The nose knows...

  8. something smells funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the slashdot beta, it sucks so bad that there are a few hundred flies around it.

  9. OK, OK correlation != causation. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

    OK, Ok, I agree, correlation is not causation. I am not claiming to be an expert or have all the answers. All I am doing is raising the question: Why do they always occur together? Is it a mere coincidence? I report, fair and balanced, and you decide. That is all I am saying.

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    1. Re:OK, OK correlation != causation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. I lost my sense of smell on October 3, 2009 at 1:37pm EDT and I feel greaxj$(@@@@@

    2. Re:OK, OK correlation != causation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should finish reading the summary. It suggests loss of smell is a symptom of the body losing the ability to correct problems with itself. Our bodies produce a lot of waste and self-damage, but we're constantly repairing ourselves. Once we can't keep up with the damage, it eventually overwhelms us and we die. This is implying that are sense of smell is being continually damaged as well. Anyone know why? Too much nose picking?

    3. Re:OK, OK correlation != causation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The matter is likely very complex with multiple contributing factors causal and otherwise. Here I've listed a few factors which may have an impact and I'm sure you can find others.

      Causal:
      1) Smell is very important for our psychological well-being. Simple things like enjoying food and sexual attraction. Suicide is surprisingly common with severe loss of the sense. Even in the absence of suicide, people tend not to live very long if they don't particularly want to.
      2) A poor sense of smell may result in eating things that are more toxic or more severely rotten. Even if it doesn't kill you directly, this should place additional strain on the body.
      3) On a similar note, you may expose yourself to more harmful bacteria and toxins by touch or inhalation, and be less likely to wash your hands after handling something which doesn't stink (to you).

      Not causal:
      4) Smell is processed in more primitive parts of the brain than e.g. vision. Loss of the sensation due to neurological damage or degeneration could perhaps be an early indicator of problems in the more immediately vital parts.

    4. Re:OK, OK correlation != causation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're missing the point -- the OP is imitating global warming deniers (and deniers of other scientific topics) to make the point that they're being silly (i.e. that scientists actually do know that correlation is not causation and know to look for [and propose, and support with evidence] causal mechanisms).

      Regarding damage to the sense of smell -- lots of our body parts that are exposed to the elements and outside chemicals (e.g. the intestines) are constantly being renewed because the are damaged by all of the crap they encounter. Secondhand smoke (and other kinds of smoke, but the kind from cigarettes is particularly nasty), pollution, inhaled bacteria, and plain old frostbite and dehydration are probably among the top nasal hazards.

    5. Re:OK, OK correlation != causation. by skids · · Score: 1

      Too much nose picking?

      Naw I can still smell just fine.

  10. Loss of smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "...may indicate that the body is entering a state of disrepair, and is no longer capable of repairing itself."

    Yeah. There's a name for that. It's called "getting old".

    1. Re:Loss of smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is knowing when someone is "old".

      I met people who were old at 60 and others who were in good physical and mental health at 80. I remember a guy who was 72 and who finished a 100 km ultramarathon in about 14 hours. Most 20 years old wouldn't even be able to walk 100 km in less than 20 hours.

      So maybe losing our sense of smell is the indication we're getting old.

  11. Farting on your brother is doing him a favor. by jdastrup · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can you smell it? Good, you're healthy.

  12. Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We already know dead people don't smell well.

    1. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they don't smell good.

    2. Re:Makes sense by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      Dead people neither smell well, nor do they smell good.

      Are you both happy now?

  13. No kidding, Sherlock?! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    My father was a masonry construction worker. He lost his sense of smell 50 years before he died from throat cancer (doctors gave him six months, but he died six weeks later). The study was off by a factor of 10.

    1. Re:No kidding, Sherlock?! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I worked with my father in construction for a few years. I lost my sense of smell for five years after I stopped working with him. He lost his sense of smell of 50 years, working for three generations of owners at the same company. Surprisingly, he didn't suffer too severely from cement poisoning.

    2. Re:No kidding, Sherlock?! by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      You are correct. 39% is less than 100%.

    3. Re:No kidding, Sherlock?! by PRMan · · Score: 1

      And I know a guy that was a soldier in Afghanistan in the war against Russia and lost his sense of smell and taste because of a gas attack. He's still doing fine too.

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    4. Re:No kidding, Sherlock?! by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      So I gather your father did not lose his sense of smell due to deterioration from age, unless of course he was 100 years plus when he died of throat cancer. So the study was particularly focused on loss of the sense of smell due to age deterioration and not other causes.

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    5. Re:No kidding, Sherlock?! by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      That's cool, sounds like you had a good relationship with you father.
      My dad lost his sense of smell in the final days of WWII. He was the belly turret gunner on a B-17. It belly flopped on landing, propelling him up into the burning wreckage,where he inhaled burning fuel through his nose. He barely survived, but never had a sense of smell from then on, he was 19 at the time, he lived to be 77.
      We built race cars together.
      Your post made me smile remembering my father, thanks. (:

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  14. Cancer_patient by mrhippo3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not really happy to read this. Part of my cancer treatment was radiation therapy to the head. I had a severe loss of taste, but smell was nearly intact. With an overly sensitive nose, I guess I was down to what would be a "normal" level. Considering what could have happened (a partial list): loss of sight, loss of hearing, loss of hair, damage to vision, damage to tears, difficulty in swallowing, loss of muscle control of tongue, loss of teeth, loss of smell, inability to chew, and more. Losing taste for a few months was not bad. I ate a lot of Indian food. The problem was eating enough to maintain weight to have the treatment mask fit. Allowable weight variation was zero lbs. I just used a portion control. I am athletic and continued bike miles during treatment. I would do the "french fry" trick in reverse. In a typical diet, you set aside the four fries you are "allowed" to eat, creating a DO NOT EAT pile. I created a somewhat larger pile of YOU MUST EAT THIS. As a conditioned (albeit older athlete) I knew how much to eat to balance calories out with calories in. I was used to being so tired that taste really was never an issue. Tasting takes effort. BTW, taste did come back but still not at 100%. Considering the option -- death -- loss of taste temporarily was OK.

    1. Re:Cancer_patient by dweezil-n0xad · · Score: 1

      I lost my sense of smell after a head injury 9 years ago. I also had some loss of taste but that mostly came back.

    2. Re:Cancer_patient by plover · · Score: 1

      I doubt there's much for you to worry about this. The research only noted the correlation, not that the loss of smell was itself the cause or contributing factor. Your sense of taste may have been more directly damaged by the treatments, instead of being an indicator that your body is failing. Even if it was, the fact that it recovered over time is further evidence that your damaged metabolic processes have returned.

      OTOH, IANAD. HTH. HAND.

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      John
    3. Re:Cancer_patient by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Interesting, I had a head injury ~14ish years ago which increased the frequency, duration, and pain of regular headaches, but also increased the frequency of migraines. I've lost close to 90% of my sense of smell, and occasionally get "weird tastes" in terms of what something should taste like. My favorite these days is mint(which I can lightly taste) tastes more like oranges. On the upside with the loss of smell, I can tell when I'm going to have a migraine attack, since I'll smell things that don't actually exist.

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    4. Re:Cancer_patient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had schizophrenia for over a decade and for most of that time since it started no sense of smell. I didn't wash for 3 years because of a lack of motivation and a social isolation that did not pressure me to but when i started to do a training course at the request of my family I began to regain smell when i was around classmates. it was as if it was a social skill that i learned subconsciously which certainly wasnt the strangest I've ever experienced but there you go.

  15. In GOP USA time to go to lockup to be your doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In GOP USA time to go to lockup to be your doctor as that will black list you and lockup will be the only place to see a doctor.

  16. This Story Really Stinks by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    There's too much coke and too much smoke
    Look what's going on inside you

    Ooooh that smell
    Can't you smell that smell
    Ooooh that smell
    The smell of death surrounds you

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
    1. Re:This Story Really Stinks by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Informative

      Happy Friday, sir! Say hello to your family from myself, and from Mrs Fuckwit, too, of course!

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      Never been known to fail..."
    2. Re:This Story Really Stinks by lgw · · Score: 0

      Hey now, he's a complete fuckwit with good taste in music - props where they're due.

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    3. Re:This Story Really Stinks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sort of feel sorry for Jeremiah, he's been posting on every submission religiously for a long fucking time now. That really requires a rather 'special' type of personality to have that sort of commitment.

    4. Re:This Story Really Stinks by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      You sort of are an insincere bastard, with very weak troll-magic.

       

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      Never been known to fail..."
  17. Well Duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smell is the shittiest sense we have - there are no "good" smells except those that seem to overpower the most shitty smells and/or the utter lack of smell. Smell exists almost exclusively to tell us what to avoid - you might as well be saying "people who just had their eyes gouged out after seeing without issue for their entire lives and going unassisted in a city are likely to be hit by a car within 5 years" - given the number of things in our modern lives that can kill us immediately or via long-term exposure it's no real shocker that without a sense of smell people will off themselves on accident.

    1. Re:Well Duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense. Smell is the sense most tightly correlated to long-term memory in the brain. The perfume business has been doing well on this basis forever.

    2. Re: Well Duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Socrates was interested in the pure essence of smell. Descartes focused on his perception of it and said, I smell, therefore, I am. Sartre believed smell to be existential and declared if I smell not, I am not.

      Clearly, Slashdot has evolved to be essentially sartorial, drawing from the quality of its Socratic dialogue and breaking conversation down for its base constituents.

      Well done!

    3. Re:Well Duh? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Smell is the shittiest sense we have - there are no "good" smells except those that seem to overpower the most shitty smells and/or the utter lack of smell.

      I take it you are unfamiliar with concepts like "bacon", "flowers" and "coffee" then?

    4. Re:Well Duh? by albacrankie · · Score: 1

      "I take it you are unfamiliar with concepts like "bacon", "flowers" and "coffee" then?"

      Any reason you left out napalm?

    5. Re:Well Duh? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Any reason you left out napalm?

      Indeed there was. Check the header:

      by arth1 (260657) on Friday October 03, 2014 @03:29PM

  18. I should be dead by Sarpent · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, I lost most of my sense of smell over 10 years ago after what my doctors suspect was a virus. I still feel pretty good. I'm in good health with low cholesterol and normal blood pressure. Overall, I feel pretty good for a dea

    1. Re:I should be dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a 39% correlation.

      Meaning it is a 'possible' indicator. Meaning more study is needed.

    2. Re:I should be dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more dupes will be needed which call for more studies

    3. Re:I should be dead by omnichad · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's a good thing someone leaned over your corpse and hit the submit button. We are thankful they got your message out.

    4. Re:I should be dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You lost more than your sense of smell if you think you have anything to do with this study when your loss of smell wasn't age/deterioration-related.

    5. Re:I should be dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's not that he said 'AAAAAUUUUGHHHH' it's that he took the time to
      spell out the *word* 'AAAAAAUUUUUUGGGHHHH' in his note!!"

    6. Re:I should be dead by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Wow, I lost most of my sense of smell over 10 years ago after what my doctors suspect was a virus. I still feel pretty good. I'm in good health with low cholesterol and normal blood pressure. Overall, I feel pretty good for a dea

      Dead man walking!

    7. Re:I should be dead by h5inz · · Score: 1

      Thats nothing! I died 10 years ago and I still smell!

    8. Re:I should be dead by antdude · · Score: 1

      No his head collapsed on the mouse button that was over the Submit button. ;)

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  19. an increased level of stink usually works, too by swschrad · · Score: 1

    if nobody will go into the room to check on the patient because the door is melting, that's also a solid indication that first one in can turn off the IV drip.

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  20. CmdrTaco has no sense of smell. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody tell CmdrTaco about this.

  21. A Telomere Canary by omnichad · · Score: 1

    This sounds like a Telomere Canary. That is, an outward sign that cells are no longer able to replicate accurately.

    1. Re:A Telomere Canary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds like a Telomere Canary. That is, an outward sign that cells are no longer able to replicate accurately.

      The hell with jetpacks: I want my telomere extensions!

  22. You know who you are by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Well, my sense of smell is intact. I excercised it thoroughly but accidentally by going to a hobby store two Saturdays ago. and passing the gaming tables.

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  23. It's when they start to smell again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That you know their time is up.

  24. Erroneous Summary by cvnautilus · · Score: 4, Informative

    First off, the original article is open access at PLOS ONE here: http://www.plosone.org/article...

    The summary statement, "The tip of the olfactory nerve, which contains the smell receptors, is the only part of the human nervous system that is continuously regenerated by stem cells", implies several things that are misleading and/or totally untrue.

    The tip of the olfactory nerve is the olfactory epithelium, where the olfactory sensory receptor cells are located. The olfactory nerve travels through the cribriform plate, a porous area of skull, where it then synapses with the olfactory bulb. The olfactory bulb has several cell types, and only one of these, inhibitory granule cells, is continually regenerated via neuroblasts migrating along the rostral migratory stream from the sides of the lateral ventricles. These cells are thought to play a role in associative learning and coding of new olfactory cues. The olfactory nerve does not have a capacity for self-renewal, nor do any of the olfactory receptor cells.

    Furthermore, there is more than one area where neurons undergo continual self-renewal. The dentate gyrus of the hippocampus also fosters a neurogenic niche, and these new cells have important implications for learning, memory, stress, and emotion that we are just beginning to understand.

    Thirdly, we don't really know if neurogenesis in the olfactory bulb has anything at all to do with the observed results because this was not measured in the study, but it is a plausible hypothesis for future study.

    As a side note, one of the very intriguing aspects of neurogenesis is that after cortical injuries such as trauma or stroke, neuroblasts from the ventricles migrate toward the lesion, rather than toward the olfactory bulb. These cells are capable of forming electrochemically active synapses at the lesion site and appear to aid in recovery. Unfortunately, astrocytic scarring and inflammation limit the regenerative capacity of these cells - but this is an area of intense research in the field of neurotrauma. My current (undergraduate) research is focused on analyzing the effects of post-injury recovery environment (for rats) on subventricular and hippocampal neurogenesis.

    For a good summary on neurogenesis:
    http://chuang01.web.wesleyan.e...

    1. Re:Erroneous Summary by jafac · · Score: 1

      great comment! Thank you!

      --

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    2. Re:Erroneous Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Everything in your comment is true, except "The olfactory nerve does not have a capacity for self-renewal, nor do any of the olfactory receptor cells.". The olfactory receptor cells are not considered part of the central nervous system, and the usual rules of "no regeneration in the CNS" do not apply. In fact, olfactory receptor cells die all the time, and the turnover time is about 40 days. Through axon guidance cues, the new ones usually find the same targets as the old ones, resulting in a sense of smell that is stable over time. Even when the entire olfactory nerve is sheared, the sense of smell is often regained as new cells come in and send axons back to (approximately) the same targets as the old ones, in the olfactory bulb. Often they don't find the same targets, resulting in changes to the sense of smell, sometimes resulting in loss of function.

    3. Re:Erroneous Summary by Badger+Nadgers · · Score: 1

      Thank you.

    4. Re:Erroneous Summary by Badger+Nadgers · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the clarification. I've wanted to get my head around the subject for many years and never found an accessible way for a lay person like myseff, and this discussion has rectified that concisely and appropriately.

  25. Makes sense. by stoploss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Our sense of smell is the sense running at the lowest level. It's wired straight into the brain in the shortest path of any sense.

    This is why the peanut butter smell test can help diagnose Alzheimer's disease. I would expect nontraumatic loss of smell to highly positively correlate with damage to the structures of the temporal lobe (amygdala, basal ganglia, etc). This is where memory lives (in all its forms).

    Smell is a pretty raw sense, as opposed to say, vision, which is highly processed by many different cortical systems and areas. I would therefore expect it to yield the best raw cerebral status metadata.

  26. Oh my god, I would have been dead at 5-10 yo by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2

    I either NEVER had a sense of smell, or at least not since I was 5 years old. So I should have died over 25 years ago.

    It is a minor inconvenience... I have to be careful about gas leaks and such.

    As for food, I have a good enough sense of taste to distinguish most foods so it's not like I feel like I'm eating sawdust like some people assume.

    A for the rest, just minor stuff:
    Visually check to make sure I didn't step in dog poo
    Don't use any fragrance or cologne... I'll never get it right
    Make sure I'm always clean, and have deoderant on
    etc

    1. Re:Oh my god, I would have been dead at 5-10 yo by myrdos2 · · Score: 1

      I either NEVER had a sense of smell, or at least not since I was 5 years old. So I should have died over 25 years ago.

      Not if you read the article - it says the that the olfactory nerves are continually regenerated, so if your body stops being able to regenerate itself you will lose your sense of smell first. It doesn't say anything about losing your sense of smell because of other reasons.

    2. Re:Oh my god, I would have been dead at 5-10 yo by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

      I either NEVER had a sense of smell, or at least not since I was 5 years old. So I should have died over 25 years ago.

      Same story for a high school girlfriend who was exceptional in every way. She said she lost her sense of smell at around 5 or 6 years of age and for no apparent reason .

      Nothing else unusual, except for a nose missing from her face (... just kidding ;-)

  27. Sense of Smell by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    I always joked that I had no sense of smell. It was there, but something had to really stink to get up my nose. Considering that I also couldn't breathe through one of my nostrils, this made sense to me. Finally, after much testing and worried about sleep apnea, we found the cause of my blocked airways. A structure in my nose was trying to grow a third airway. Doing this pushed my septum over and made my one nostril's airway extremely narrow. I had surgery a few months ago to remove this structure and to fix my deviated septum. My breathing is amazingly better. (Being able to breathe through both nostrils still feels weird.) I'm waiting to see if it improves my sense of smell as my nose adjusts to its new normal.

    --
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  28. Worst Horror Movie Idea Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slowly, camera zooms in on his nose. "Oh God. I can't smell anything. I CAN'T SMELL ANYTHING!!!"

  29. Playing on Netflix now... by peter.kingsbury · · Score: 1

    ..."Perfect Sense" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt14... Great movie.

  30. Seems logical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would think that mysteriously loosing one of your senses would be a good indicator that there is something wrong with you.

    1. Re:Seems logical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, as is the loss of the sense of spelling.

    2. Re:Seems logical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, as is the loss of the sense of spelling.

      Perhaps its more like a a poor sense of typing.

      Speeling and Typpng errors can look the same when you have such a tight sphincter .

  31. ... we are all gonna die! by thieh · · Score: 1

    Most of us can't smell anything with a cold... so we'll all die from a 5-year cold.

  32. I should be dead by daveywest · · Score: 1

    I worked for several years with what was essentially concentrated vinegar. (Household is typically a 5% solution. The stuff we used was around 85%). While the area was well ventilated, my sense of smell hasn't recovered over 10 years later. I retained some sense of smell, but it has to be very bad for me to notice. My wife complains that I'm not bothered by the baby's stinky boom-booms. I call it a superpower.

  33. This story doesn't make a lot of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    scents.

  34. My dog has no nose. by bregmata · · Score: 1

    My dog has no nose.

    How does he smell?

    Terrible.

    1. Re:My dog has no nose. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you Gilbert.

    2. Re:My dog has no nose. by neminem · · Score: 1

      I prefer the antihumor version:

      My dog has no nose.

      How does he smell?

      He can't, he doesn't have a nose!

  35. Prodromal Indicator for Pancreatic troubles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Four years ago, I lost my sense of smell. No other physical manifestations. After a month without any smell (quite disconcerting - couldn't smell coffee, food, or anything, Took much of the color out of life), Kaiser hospital did a cat scan of my head and reported a very minor nasal obstruction, probably mucus.

    Over the next few months, a weird constellation of symptoms showed up: severe anxiety. Sudden, severe depression. Occasional double vision. Absolute insomnia for four days. Bizarre - in my life, I'd never felt anything like this. (I don't do drugs, alcohol, or have any history of mental troubles)

    Then my pee turned black. My wife took me to the hospital...

    After sonograms & catscans, the radiologist found a walnut sized tumor on my pancreas.

    The doctor looks at me and asks if I have any kids. "Sure, two of 'em," I replied.

    "Then you'd better get to an attorney and make your will. Don't waste any time."

    Less than 5% of pancreatic cancer patients live for 5 years. After making my will, I had a Whipple operation (don't ask), the surgeon removed the tumor (along with a gall bladder, and god knows what else). I'm still alive today, almost 4 years later, writing Python code and shell scripts. Within my field, I'm moderately well known, so I'm posting this anonymously.

    Here's the important part: Pancreatic and other cancers often show strange pro-dromal symtoms, months before the obvious manifestations occur. Things like sudden onset, severe anxiety. depression, and emotional distress. And the sudden loss of smell. Sure, laugh at the postings here. But take it seriously if this happens to you or someone you know.

    Loss of smell might just be from a common cold. But it may be a prodromal indicator of something serious.

    1. Re:Prodromal Indicator for Pancreatic troubles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That a good story, and I'm sorry that people around you can't know what you've gone through. I was distracted by the lower case use of cat, though - it reminded me of the line in "The Sopranos" that Paulie "Walnuts" Gualtieri says about Salvatore "Big Pussy" Bonpensiero's back pain - he had - "MRIs, cat scans, dog scans, you name it."

      Myself, I had an acquired relative who lost the sense of smell a few years before slowly dying of multiple systemic organ failure of non-infectious causes.

  36. Olfactory genes may be a canary-in-coalmine by clawsoon · · Score: 2

    Olfactory genes have a higher rate of mutation than most other genes because the DNA they are in gets packed more tightly and gets replicated later than other genes. As a result, they often show up as false positive in cancer gene searches. Read more here:

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v499/n7457/full/nature12213.html

    This might mean that they're a canary-in-the-coal-mine: If someone's DNA replication is starting to suffer in general, olfactory genes might be where the breakdown shows up first and most dramatically.

  37. Hypothesis by researchers by kbahey · · Score: 1

    Contrary to all the speculative guesses in the comments, the researchers do have a hypothesis for this.

    From the linked PLOS article:

    Unique among the senses, the olfactory system depends on stem cell turnover, and thus may serve as an indicator of deterioration in age-related regenerative capacity more broadly or as a marker of physiologic repair function

  38. Hmm .... by PPH · · Score: 1

    What's this stuff in the back of the fridge? It doesn't smell bad. I think I'll reheat it for lunch.

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  39. mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mod parent up. This guy has actually paid his dues.

  40. I just told my wife ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... the reason I poot a so much because I'm just checking on her health and stuff.

    --
    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  41. What did they die from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What did they die from?

  42. Doctor, anti-death pill please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doctor, I have lost my sense of smell. Can you give me an anti-death pill please? Thanks.

    Doctor, I just died. Can you revive me please?

    Doctor, I want to live forever. Please give me more anti-death pills please?

  43. Neurodegenerative disease controls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While they did control for "cognitive deficits" to some extent, what they did not control for is the likelihood that some subjects had pre-clinical Alzheimer's or Parkinson's disease (among other things), both of which are associated with very early olfactory deficits (prior to cognitive deficits). In fact, the aggregates that cause Parkinson's disease appear in the olfactory bulb before any other brain area. So it would be interesting to know about the neuropathology of the individuals who died during the 5-year period.

    Of course, if this is just used as a diagnostic, then it doesn't matter. Having a bad sense of smell might be a good reason to get tested for other conditions, or to get early intervention for AD or PD. But it probably isn't as causal as the numbers in the paper would suggest.

  44. So why am i still alive? by danknight48 · · Score: 1

    I lost my sense of smell over 15 years ago.
    +1 to smoking, and for making this report complete bullcrap!

  45. Flawed story rebalanced by Slashdot comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a story that has accumulated rounding and restatement errors in the process of being reported and summarized.

    Fortunately, several Slashdot commnters with better acquaintance with the last decade of detailed stem cell research have clarified that the presence and operation of stem cells in the organs of small is more complicated and limited than the article summary suggests.

    Several comments from persons who have experienced changes in their sense of smell make the point that changes in the sense of smell can be extremely important indicators changing conditions within the body.

    My sense of smell changed 30 years ago when I quit smoking cigarettes and I am now in my late 60s. But what I would say personally is the interesting thing about the sense of smell is it is a subtle and very primary sense. The phrase "smells funny" is a turn of phrase or piece of speech that is based on a genuinely deep seated, direct and powerful sense.

    Regarding "... more likely to die in 5 years..." this is a chance finding from a too small sample size. Much more important is the broader message: pay attention to your senses, take care of them, maintain a rich consciousness of how you and your body traverse this life.

  46. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. by LittlePud · · Score: 1

    This is useless without more information/data.

    Old people are more likely to lose their sense of smell.
    Old people are more likely to die within 5 years.
    Therefore, people who lose their sense of smell are more likely to die within 5 years.

    This is the whole "ice cream causes drownings" all over again.

    1. Re:There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      This is useless without more information/data.

      Old people are more likely to lose their sense of smell.

      Old people are more likely to die within 5 years.

      Didn't you RTFS?

      . Despite taking issues such as age, nutrition, smoking habits, poverty and overall health into account,

      You're trotting out Disraeli's line. That's normally a sign of someone who doesn't actually know how to read and analyse statistics. That's your failure, not a failure of statistics.

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