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Maps Suggest Marco Polo May Have "Discovered" America

An anonymous reader writes in with news about maps attributed to Marco Polo that seem to show the coast of Alaska. "For a guy who claimed to spend 17 years in China as a confidant of Kublai Khan, Marco Polo left a surprisingly skimpy paper trail. No Asian sources mention the footloose Italian. The only record of his 13th-century odyssey through the Far East is the hot air of his own Travels, which was actually an "as told to" penned by a writer of romances. But a set of 14 parchments, now collected and exhaustively studied for the first time, give us a raft of new stories about Polo's journeys and something notably missing from his own account: maps. If genuine, the maps would show that Polo recorded the shape of the Alaskan coast—and the strait separating it from Asia—four centuries before Vitus Bering, the Danish explorer long considered the first European to do so. Perhaps more important, they suggest Polo was aware of the New World two centuries before Columbus."

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  1. And then... by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...he built the first American Swimming pool. You can guess where this is going.

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    1. Re:And then... by itzly · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, that was his brother, Water Polo.

  2. Native Americans anyone? by Dorianny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am not sure how any European can claim to be the first to discover America when the continent was populated by humans for thousands of years.

    1. Re:Native Americans anyone? by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because of the subconscious "us" vs "them".

      To think of the discovery as "The moment Americans and Europeans met for the first time" requires a very objective and open mind. And we know that way of thinking isn't common because otherwise there wouldn't be wars.

      I believe the main reason is that thinking in "us vs them" terms is evolutionary superior to "we are all one humanity" unless there's a third party involved. Or, in other words, had there been an enemy to humanity other than itself, man would be friend to man.

  3. That's the Italian way for you by marcello_dl · · Score: 5, Funny

    A guy who is reported as traveling in China in fact was getting into America 200 years before a guy who bumped into America when trying to reach India using a shortcut which in fact was much longer.

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  4. Re:So the Italians win the latest round ... by TheInternetGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

    So the Italians win the latest round, the North American Discovery trophy moves back to Italy.

    Nope that trophy still belong to the Norsemen. (If we are going to continue to insist on not counting the native Americans, that is). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  5. Re:It's like the metric system... by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While the Vikings were in North America first and had a few tangles with the Skrælings, Columbus was the first to enslave the indigenous inhabitants, forcibly convert them and use them to extract precious metals. Because Columbus was serving the centralized Spanish state with its missionary zeal and interest in mining, not a small group of Norse freeholders who just wanted to be left alone and farm, his visit marks the start of catastrophic social upheaval in the Americas, and so it's understandable that he remains so prominent a figure.

  6. Re:It's like the metric system... by Sique · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Columbus' travel never was about the world being flat or not. That's a made up story from the late 18th century. There is no evidence in Middle Age scholar's writing that the Earth was considered being flat at all. The only sources are two obscure byzanthine scholars from the 4th and 6th century, but they are never quoted in later writings.

    Columbus' travel was about the circumfence of the Earth. While most scholars in the 15th century estimated the circumfence to be about 26,000 miles, quite close to reality, Columbus was convinced it was only 15,000, making a travel westward to India to seem actually feasible and shorter than the Portuguese way around the Cape of Good Hope.

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  7. Re:John Cabot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cabot, aka Giovanni Caboto;( c. 1450 – c. 1499) was an Italian navigator and explorer )

  8. Re:Because of european perspective by hackertourist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd say being able to spread the knowledge of your discovery is an important part of that discovery. After the Vikings reached America, one tribe knew about the discovery and it was subsequently forgotten. After Columbus discovered America, this knowledge spread throughout Europe.

  9. Re:So the Italians win the latest round ... by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Informative

    The first English monarch postdates Jesus by about 9 centuries. There was no "English King of that era".
    The Knights Templar started about 11 centuries after Jesus, and they were French.

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  10. Re:Big Old Liar by Rick+in+China · · Score: 5, Informative

    What? "never pointed out major inventions like paper" - he pointed out specifically and meticulously the use of paper money and salt. http://www.history.com/news/ma...

    "Historians before him have touched on these issues while defending Marco Polo’s honor, but Vogel also relies on another compelling body of evidence: the explorer’s meticulous descriptions of currency and salt production in the Yuan era. According to Vogel, Polo documents these aspects of Mongol Chinese civilization in greater detail than any of his Western, Arab or Persian contemporaries, a hint that the Venetian relied on his own powers of observation. Polo’s claims about the size of paper money and the value of salt, among other aspects, check out against archaeological evidence and Chinese documents maintained by Yuan officials, Vogel concluded."

    One thing I find interesting - is that they teach Chinese students of Marco Polo in China. I would imagine that, if presented with "Hey, look, this dude from Europe visited you guys hundreds of years ago and did trade with the Mongols!" the first to refute and expose that would be the Chinese, as it would seem that their history would more likely be the source of truth (or closer to the source) rather than simply speculating on the contents of his verbal transcript.

  11. It's fake by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Poloshopped

  12. Re:Big Old Liar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yea that is why we celebrate him. Pray what the fuck have you ever done that ranks in significance to what he has done. We should always celebrate explorers. Whether he was 100% correct in everything he tried to do. Are you going to make fun of astronauts in the Shuttle Columbia because they couldn't even land their space plane, and besides they really didn't build it in the first place.

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