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US Remains Top Country For Global Workers
Nerval's Lobster writes The Boston Consulting Group and The Network recently surveyed 200,000 people in 189 countries to figure out the global willingness to work abroad. Their conclusion? People will indeed set down professional roots in another country—although younger workers seem far more willing to expatriate than their older peers. Where do the majority of global workers want to head? The United States, which 42 percent of respondents listed as their top potential work destination, followed by the U.K. (37 percent), Canada (35 percent), Germany (33 percent), Switzerland (29 percent), and France (29 percent). But citizens in the United States seemed a bit more reluctant to return the favor—less than 50 percent said they either lived abroad or would consider doing so for work. That's in sharp contrast to countries such as France, where a significant majority of citizens seemed willing to explore jobs in other nations. Of course, those who work in tech already know that globalization is a huge issue.
It doesn't hurt the United States that just about every major culture in the world is represented here, and even American-specific culture is very diverse. With some research it wouldn't be difficult to find a community that appeals, even avoiding expensive places to live like New York and San Francisco. And as an American that's travelled fairly extensively in the United States and a little abroad, one can get many of the benefits of going abroad while remaining in one's own country. Boston is very different from Chicago or Hawaii or Miami or Portland. It's easy to move within the country to have an entirely different experience than where one was before, no residency issues or other international-lines problems.
Obviously some other countries have very diverse cultures and regions too; I'd think that India and China could feel much the same way, but there aren't necessarily the kinds of jobs that people look for in those more distinct regions either. That probably helps make America appeal. Don't like the cold? Move to Phoenix or Dallas or San Diego, all different cultures, all one country.
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"But citizens in the United States seemed a bit more reluctant to return the favor"
Who says it's a favour?
The young are more adventurous, less settled, and likely to seek international opportunities. I can see that.
FWIW, the US doesn't fail at everything. We still have the Dream.
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Once you start crossing borders, 'nations' become less worrisome. I'd like to know how many of the 'willing expats' have travelled out-of-nation prior to the survey. I'd bet that the majority have. I'd assume that there are fewer of the Americans surveyed who have travelled abroad, but this is just my gut feel. I've heard 'stories' mind you, of people who've never left their counties *shudder*.
Once you leave and explore the world a little, you'll find that many places are quite nice to visit / live for a while. Some will be learning experiences, some will just be for material gain, and others will receive opportunities that their own country can't offer. Why the specific people thought what they did was another topic.
Although one big reason is that there's still the prevailing belief that moving to America will increase your chance at happiness, security, or financial success. I'd still consider that debatable, but the circumstances are very relevant.
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Tells me there's a large shift in immigration for people moving into OIL rich nations which makes sense since there's probably a great financial incentive to move (10 year old data alas). The US is 30th, so still pretty strong on the immigration front, but seems to be slowwing per capita over time, which may indicate tighter immigration policies or less incentive from 2005-2008. Of course post-housing meltdown numbers would be more interesting, but oh well.
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Wrong, France is a leader in aviation (#2 exporter) and european aerospace,, medicine, nuclear fuel reprocessing, genetics, second largest defense tech maker,
France is ranked #4 in research after U.S, Japan, Germany.
...the summary says 42% picked the US as their top destination. That's not what the article says. The summary also somehow adds 42+37+35+33+29+29 and comes up with less than 100. The article does not.
Well, I said "most and bestest". You seem to be focusing only on the latter and ignoring the former.
Is there anyone on earth who believes France has more tech jobs available than US?
The United States, which 42 percent of respondents listed as their top potential work destination, followed by the U.K. (37 percent), Canada (35 percent), Germany (33 percent), Switzerland (29 percent), and France (29 percent).
The numbers are the percentage of respondents willing to move to that specific country and not their "top potential work destination". A respondent can be willing to move to more than one country which is why the numbers add up to more than 100%.
Here is a quote from the actual article;
The United States is the destination with the highest appeal to foreign workers. Of all respondents, 42 percent say the U.S. is one of the places they would consider moving to. (See Exhibit 5.) The U.S. maintains its appeal among workers in many impoverished nations, including Nigeria, Ghana, Nicaragua, and Honduras. Sixty percent or more of respondents from those nations say the U.S. is a place they would move to for work. The UK and Canada get the next highest declarations of interest from survey participants: 37 percent and 35 percent, respectively. The UK, Canada, and the U.S. are all in the top ten in terms of nominal GDP, per capita GDP, or both. They all also benefit from being largely English-speaking at a time when English is the most frequently taught second language.
... 'cause: 'Merica! Oo RAH!
Except that the US actually is the preferred destination, so ... that's ... not really so clever.
I don't know if your trolling or genuinely this dumb
US citizens get screwed when they work overseas because we still have to pay US taxes. We also haven't recovered from the intentional devaluation of the dollar by Bush2 which makes our economic mobility limited. We are a nation of burger flippers enslaved to the 1%.
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Clearly you misunderstand... US ought to be the top, is the top, and mine was an expression of pride at that fact. Hope this clarifies.
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France is a leader in aviation (#2 exporter) and european aerospace,, medicine, nuclear fuel reprocessing, genetics, second largest defense tech maker, France is ranked #4 in research after U.S, Japan, Germany.
France is also the number one destroyer of their own economy, with everyone going on strike as soon as someone farts and doesn't say "excusez moi".
Seriously, fuck the French with all their strikes. I'm avoiding France like the plague, and never ever will I travel through CDG again if I can avoid it. Half of the time the flight is cancelled, or someone is on strike. Whether that is ATC, pilots, cabin crew or ground personnel.
I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
The only reason diseases like whooping cough are making a comeback in the us is because of socialite antivaxxers. Has nothing to do with foreigners.
There are plenty of countries that are a mix of social and capitalist policies, and where unbridled capitalism is frowned upon. I *like* living in Kanukistan. It's not perfect, but it works. Those "anti-capitalist" banking regulations gave us the safest banking system in the world. No banks went bankrupt, no government bailouts of the banks during the global financial meltdown, no forced mergers or shotgun marriages.
I guess you could say we're social democrats with a strong capitalist bent.
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France is a lot smaller than the United States. It's about the size of Texas, with a population about 1/5 of the US.
Just based on that you would expect fewer people to pick it as a destination.
Not to mention who speaks French anymore? It's not even in the top 10 most spoken languages these days. It's much easier to deal with a new place where you have some idea of the language.
the size of Texas and kicking ass in aerospace, electronics, medicine.....sounds like more going on per populated square mile than USA.
70+% of all French people speak english (they have to study it), and in tech/engineering sector it's near 100%.
The witty banter and mercurial charm?
It seems like country size and proximity to other nations would be a factor. Growing up in a country where 5 other nations are only a few hours away makes moving to another country seem less daunting compared to someone living in Texas or California, where you drive for hours between cities. I like to compare European countries to American States, and I'll bet a good percentage of Americans would be willing to explore working and living in another State.
Used to be we had an American culture,
Really? Based on what? Anything but jingoism and commercialism?
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And in aviation (Boeing), aerospace worldwide (Boeing, Lockheed, SpaceX, etc), medicine, genetics, defense - the US is number one. So all those areas France lags the US...
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But citizens in the United States seemed a bit more reluctant to return the favor—less than 50 percent said they either lived abroad or would consider doing so for work. That's in sharp contrast to countries such as France, where a significant majority of citizens seemed willing to explore jobs in other nations. Of course, those who work in tech already know that globalization is a huge issue.
The elephant in the room is that American citizens aren't allowed overseas, because "We'd be dar to take der jobs!"
If you work for an established multinational, then you can get placed within that framework, or an within an established academic one, but just try an get a job in France as an American citizen -- it's laughable. They don't even pretend.
Speak French? Lived as an exchange student in France? Have ultra high-end tech skills? None of that matters once you try it for real. The door for 'skilled immigrant labor', or any labor, only opens towards the U.S. It's a shame there's no WTO for labor, because we could bust the rest of the world for non-tariff trade barriers.
Despite the viewpoint of many on /., America is still viewed as a place where you can achieve success no matter where you are from. Sure, if you have family connections you have a leg up but you are not limited if you didn't go to the right school or have connections. the "american Dream" is still viewed as a possibility; even for young Americans who see greater opportunities here than abroad. If you make money you are granted access to power a lot quicker in America than in many other countries; and it is easier to start from nothing and make it here than in many places; so I am not surprised by the results.
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If you live in Europe, chances are you've visited much of the continent. Thus, taking a job in another country isn't that big of a leap. If you live in the US, you've probably visited much of the lower 48. If you move from Boston to LA, it's quite a culture shock but in this survey it isn't considered a move because the United States is a country made up of united states. I think it might be more interesting to see how many Europeans are willing to leave the EU for work.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
The biggest concentration of pediatric whooping cough is in 90210.
The French haven't won a war since Napoleon.
The first major war the French fought after Napoleon was the Crimean War. They won.
Airbus is bigger than Boeing, EADS (Ariane) is the bigger than any US Company in that field, medicine the US isn't even near the top 3 (if you look at the results, the US is a third World country worse than Cuba)
Yes but it is the same language the same "ground" culture and politics common history, common perspective vs the world or past etc.... On the other hand going from France to , say, england is a huge difference in all of those. Different perspective. Different history. Uncommon languages, uncommon ground culture, uncommon view vis a vis politess or respect, uncommon religions heck (anglican church versus majority catholicism) , uncommon politic, "off with her head" versus "god save trhe queen".
Any American I know have to admit that whereas the difference between american state are there, they are nowhere near the difference between countries in the world even if you take something as local as europe.
Well if you want to get local custom difference , I am betting I would get as much difference from province sud France to the valenciennois where my family comes from, as between boston and chicago.
Look your country is big we get it. But the culture despite local differences is far more uniform than you would imagine if you compare to the rest of the world.
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Pfftttt~~~ tell all of that that to the 96,000,000 people unemployed right now. With this many people out of work, we really need more cheap laborers. Oh yeah. And our brilliant government will import them.
You mean that all those English yippees should take their Mayflower and GTFO back to England? Yeah, I've heard that sentiment from my fellow Americans. The _real_ Native Americans, I mean.
France is the smartest nuclear nation on earth. They ignored all of the environmental quacks and got all the carbon free energy they wanted from now on through nuclear and are even exporting some power to Germany since Germany decided to turn all of their reactors off.
Not true there is one place where US is number one regarding health system: total cost per inhabitant. Far ahead of Switzerland which is one of the most expensive country in the world... page 155: http://www.oecd.org/els/health...
Fuck off already, it's overcrowded here, the property values are already in a stupid bubble, why don't you go somewhere where the cost of living isn't insane and getting worse.
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"the typical cost per individual employee of renting somewhere to live and leasing office space to $120,000 (£73,800) a year."[in London]
But half of these employees are getting little more than minimum wage, whilst the city leaches pull the average wage up.
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Wait, is this still about their refusal to support, much less join, the invasion of Iraq? Because they felt the reasons given were lies? Even though the U.S. threatened that when the time came for it spend Iraqi money on "reconstruction" they would exclusively source from fellow warmongers?
I'm not sure how you could've possibly missed this -- but it turned out they were right.
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No, because English is, ironically, the Lingua Franca of the world. It's higher in the tech/engineering sector as those people are better educated, and the better educated someone is the more likely they'll speak English.
You can stop trying to make yourself look awesome by trying to make the country you were born in sound better. It only works on children.
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No, foreigners come to the U.S. because, thanks to corporate ownership of the government, the U.S. is one of the few countries that shows almost no favoritism to native workers (quite the opposite actually). You're more likely to get a tech job in the U.S. these days with an H1B visa and a few Java classes than with American citizenship and a full degree.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
One way to improve economic mobility when there are a surplus of unemployed and underemployed is to reduce the work week. We've been having annual gains in productivity of 2% per year for decades - there's no reason why we shouldn't go to a 32 hour work week.
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As an outsider, I'd look at things like racial tension, national debt, water quality issues, projected and substantiated climate changes, employment rate, education system, human rights issues, level of government interference and tolerance for invasion of privacy... I'm guessing the majority of those polled considered little of this.
What this article is basically saying is that the US is most encouraging of helping foreingers steal the jobs of the huge number of highly qualified US programmers and IT workers who are having difficulty finding work due to it being stolen by third world labor. The third world labor is all about corporate profits and some greedy elites obsession and wall streets out of control greed and lust for profits, to hire cheap, but usually inferior, third world labor. Let third world IT people help build their own countries economies and stop letting them come to the US. In globalisation the losers are the common people of any country, in the USA american computer programmers are being thrown out on the street and their jobs are stolen from them, whilst in third world countries they are losing their best talent due to the brain drain, with all of their best workers leaving, the third world countries remain poor. If we care about third world countries we should kill the H1B program and stop all immigration. If we care about American workers, we should kill the H1B program and stop immigration. The globalist elite are ruining the USA and destroying the lives of American citizens while they keep the third world in the dark ages.
The only responsibility of the US government is to secure US sovereignty for its own people. There is no right to immigrate to another country and therefore a country has a right to control immigration however and according to whatever rules it wants. Since there is no right to immigrate, a country could pass laws against immigration on any criteria it chooses. A country only has a responsibility to protecting the territorial exclusivity of its own native citizens, to whom the country belongs. A country is not the government, it is the citizens of the country, and the government's duty is to protect the citizens from foreign incursions and to assure that the countries resources, jobs etc are exclusively for the benefit of native born citizens. The USA is a mature country. The days of the old west are gone, the west has been cultivated and the westward expansion long ago has been filled out. There are already enough people in the USA at this point and we should seal the borders now. At this point, the USAs policies should seal off the borders from all immigration and focus on protecting the resources for population that is already here and for the future internal growth of the existing population.
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Seriously, everyone had darned well better be replaceable, or the fate of your business/project/whatever is at risk. Which is why we need a mandated 32-hour week - everyone is ultimately replaceable, including the so-called "irreplaceable" people.
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Airbus was 33 billion euros in 2011, about $40 billion.
Boeing was $86 billion in 2013. Unless Airbus more than doubled revenues in 2 years, I think Boeing has a comfortable lead on Airbus.
As far as medicine, name the top pharma or medical device companies - all US based.
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Because the revenue of Airbus is only the revenue of the fixed wing aircraft manufacture division while the revenue of Boeing is everything: airplanes, helicopters, rockets and satellites. Better try this.
And no, not all top pharma companies are US based. Boehringer Ingelheim and Bayer are German, GlaxoSmithKline is British, Novartis and Roche are Swiss, Sanofi is French. Okay, Merck is nowadays American, but it was in fact started as a German company.
So, before you start flag-waving, better check the facts first.
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My experience in France is that the young people in tech industries speak good English. Not so much the older generation.
The real problem is once you get out in the general public and want to do something like get a train ticket or buy lunch. It makes daily life a problem.
haha, they refuse to speak English to tourists as matter of pride. You've been trolled by froggers!
Airbus' 59B euros is still behind Boeing's $86B. And Pfizer tops the pharma list - a US company. Business is dominated by the US - no flag waving needed, it's simply a fact. It's why most business/sales people learn English, it's the predominant language of business because you need it to do business in the largest market in the world - the US.
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