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Indonesian Cave Art May Be World's Oldest

sciencehabit writes The world's oldest cave art may not lie in Europe but rather halfway around the globe in Indonesia, according to a new study. The images date to around 40,000 years ago, making them a similar age to cave paintings from Western Europe that represent the world's oldest known cave art. The findings suggest that humans were producing figurative art by around 40,000 years ago at opposite ends of the Pleistocene Eurasian world. Further research is needed to investigate whether rock art was an integral part of the cultural repertoire of the first modern human populations to reach Southeast Asia from Africa, or whether these practices developed independently in different regions.

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  1. Re:You mean... by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well. If it was painted by a dog, it would be just 5714.28571429 years old.

  2. Aew we sure by rossdee · · Score: 3, Funny

    Aew we sure that it was art by Homo Sapiens?

    Wasn't there an island in Indonesia that had Hobbits?

    1. Re:Aew we sure by Empiric · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Homo Sapiens" is an arbitrary construct, as is the rest of Linnaean Taxonomy.

      Adding the use of Latin to make it sound extra-authoritative doesn't change this. Using the names of Sonic the Hedgehog characters for species names, as one biologist did, is equally scientific and more entertaining, though.

      Cladistics might find something resembling an objective differentiator, but I'm betting against it.

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  3. Re:You mean... by Empiric · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Congratulations, you've made Bishop Ussher feel bad for the 10000'th time on Slashdot.

    If you were under the impression you were making a point about theism in general, though, you aren't.

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  4. Rock art by war4peace · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fuck yeah, headbangers!

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  5. Re:Art? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think the issue here is the artistic merit of it.

    But for humans(*) to have the abstract concepts of representing things in the world around them, the dyes needed to do this, and the desire to actually put this kind of thing on a wall ... well, that's indicating that humans(*) were far more advanced than everybody thinks they were.

    If the ability to do the art spread with humans(*), then we learn a little more about how we got here and what we knew.

    At a minimum you have to conclude there was some form of culture, shared understanding of concepts, and a desire to communicate and have things a little more durable.

    As opposed to the previous notions of cavemen sitting around poking themselves in the eye with sticks and looking all furry and stuff. This might actually suggest that humans were more advanced, and more widespread, than we initially thought.

    (*)humans, proto humans, early humans ... whatever, don't care.

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  6. Re:Bollocks by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Informative

    That' 6,000 years you infidel. :)

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  7. Shocking by StrangeBrew · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Shocking part isn't the age of the art, but that images depicting an impending climate change and extinction of large mammals was consistently modded down. The downward pointing thumbs on the hand prints were quite clear.

  8. The similarities are fascinating by wcrowe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For me, the most fascinating thing about this story are the similarities between the Indonesian paintings and the European paintings, and that they are about the same age. It would seem that this style of artwork would be much older, and from a time before humans had migrated to those opposite corners of the world.

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  9. Re:Not really the oldest!!!! by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Neither is the oldest evidence of symbolism. The Blombos Cave site in South Africa, where the first evidence of the use of pigments (in this case ochre) are at least 70,000 years old.

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  10. Australian Aborigines by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's funny how even scientists tend to forget about the Australian Aborigines. They actually would have migrated through Indonesia approximately 10,000 years before this painting was made. They have a well documented history of making paintings exactly like the ones shown in this cave.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/201...

    Aboriginal hand paintings:

    https://www.google.com.au/sear...

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