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Tesla Announces Dual Motors, 'Autopilot' For the Model S
SchrodingerZ writes: Nine days after Elon Musk hinted about a new project, Tesla Motors has unveiled the P85D Sedan. This is Tesla's latest car design, capable of feats not yet seen in electric vehicles. The four door luxury car is able to go from zero to 60 miles per hour in a mere 3.2 seconds, an acceleration similar to the McLaren F1 super car. While the exterior remains the same build as the standard Model S, the interior will have a second motor in the front of the car to complement the rear motor. The D models will also have a slightly greater range of 275 miles on a single charge, 10 miles more than the 85 and P85 cars. Safety features have also been enhanced, adding "adaptive cruise control and the ability to read speed limit signs, stop itself if a crash is imminent, stay in its lane, and even park itself in a street spot or in your garage." Musk explains at the inaugural event, "this car is nuts. It's like taking off from a carrier deck. It's just bananas." The "D" version is available for the 60kWh, 80kWh, and P85 cars, and are expected to start shipping in December of this year.
So, 0 to 60 miles in 3.2 seconds... a range of 275 miles... So, it has less than 15 seconds of autonomy.
Let's hope it doesn't take much longer than that to recharge.
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Only if you are willing to spend more than half your yearly income on a car.
And 70k is for the short range stripped model. I is is more in the 9k range nicely equipped.
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I think that depends what you consider the 100% to be. If it's humanity, then 1% is a significant overestimate of people who can afford this.
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How you do figure that? 100k is upper middle class, or there about. Most middle classer's cannot afford a car greater than or equal to their income for a year. Even being single and making 80k a year if I bought that thing, assuming I could get that large of financing, it would strain my budget, and that is before taxes and insurance AND living in a low cost of living state.
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It is easy to make cool expensive stuff. Now when they get one down to say 50k loaded we can talk.
Or to steal an old idea from Jack Tramiel. We need electric cars for the masses not the classes.
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This is how electric will win. Performance.
When I was in High-school I raced RC cars for fun, and I remembered by gear head friends giving me crap about working on "Toy cars" until I challenged one of them to a drag race, against his real, full sized muscle car, and won hands down. The torque from an electric motor is just monstrous. So much so, that I suspect if they continue to build electric sports cars, the gforce alone will become a safety issue. My drag car would pull 100amps off the starting line and could melt battery cables, and the thing only weighed 2lbs. It'd be doing the scale equivalent of over 1000mph when I got to the end of the track. Yes, yes, I know at full scale wind resistance is different and such, but still. I had a hunk of carbon fiber doing 100mph in a few feet for Christs sake.
The sorts of people that hate electric because it's a "hippie thing" will embrace it because the fact of the matter is that, in the end, it just performs better. Can't have hippies beating your Cudda with a Prius.
Random video I found on youtube as a demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Maybe it includes the top 1% of the financially irresponsible demographic.
I would argue that a middle classer who bought a car that costs more than a year's salary has piss poor money management.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
It is easy to make cool expensive stuff. Now when they get one down to say 50k loaded we can talk. Or to steal an old idea from Jack Tramiel. We need electric cars for the masses not the classes.
It's a supercar. It does have the unique position among the supercars that there are very few people arguing that McLaren needs to make a F1 for the masses
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Each of the three versions of the Model S will come as a D model. The price of the 60kWh battery model will go from $71,070 to $75,070 for the dual motor system. The 85 kWh car goes from $81,070 to $85,070, and the P85 jumps from $105,570 to $120,170.
No indication in this article if you can get the adaptive cruise control and other fun high-tech add-ons that come with the "D" (dual motor) version without paying for the D upgrade.
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And because it is an electric car, we get 73% of the purchase price back here (Netherlands), because of tax related stuff. So this car effectively costs a quarter of the listed price. Not bad.
So, your living costs are something very approximating twice what the monthly car cost would be, and I presume you'd be paying it for something like 5 years. That gives you a choice between 1: accelerating very fast for a few tens of seconds per day, instead of rather slower and 2: having two and a half years off work (or retiring earlier) and doing something important to you instead.
There's nothing actually illogical about preferring the first. But I think it's reasonable to call it an extreme preference.
If there is a charging station, you drive for about 4-5 hours, pull in for a 30 minute lunch and let the car charge, drive another couple hours, have supper and charge, drive some more to your final destination and charge over night so you are ready to repeat the next day. 275+200+200 = 675 miles if you have a reasonable number of charging stations along your route.
I would complain about Tesla's marketing to people who can't afford their cars, but ... I can't recall any marketing done by them other than their blog and videos on YouTube.
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You don't need to make 100k/year to afford a Tesla. The stock P85 is around ~1300/month which is only about 1/3rd of what is the median income in the US.
Most middle classer's cannot afford a car greater than or equal to their income for a year.
Then they have pretty piss poor money management if true.
1/3 of your income for the monthly payment on a depreciating asset? That's just crazy. The payments on my family's TWO cars comes to less than 10% of my gross income, and I think that's too high.
Good money management does not mean figuring out a way squeak by while squandering your family income on something you don't actually need.
where can I watch the hole event and not just some clips?
A $70k car, with a 5 year note at 5.5% interest is a monthly payment of $1337.
A head house hold primary earner of family of 4 with a $100k annual salary is probably looking at ~80k after taxes.
A $250k mortgage, +PMI, +Homeowners insurance, +Property Tax is going to be ~1500 a month: 62k.
Health insurance, assuming they have a job with benefits is probably $600 a month (give or take depending on amorting the deductible over the year and out of pocket expenses), 55k.
Groceries are ~250 a week, 42k.
Electric/Gas/Water/Sewage/Home maintenance is another $500 a month, 36k.
Depending on your driving history/age/location, insurance is going to be between 1500 and 5000 a year, 34k.
Cable/Phone/Internet, pick your poison, you're likely out ~120 a month, 32k.
Add on that $1337/month car payment and you're down to $16k.
Note that at this point, you still need to buy clothes (especially for 2 growing kids) likely have a 2nd car, with insurance, a fuel bill, and maintenance (possibly even another loan), maybe student loans, heaven forbid either of your kids need braces, or your water heater dies.
So yes, an upper-middle income individual /could/ in theory do it. But it would mean living extremely modestly and surviving basically paycheck to paycheck. Any significant disruption would lead to immediate financial stability concerns.
That individual would be dramatically better off putting that 16k a year into a 401k and IRA or college funds for the kids. Buying a 70k car isn't an investment, even if it retains its value better than other vehicles, you're still losing out big time between depreciation and interest payments.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
I don't understand why people want to buy things they can't afford.
I don't think that you understand: the car goes really fast and looks really cool , and I want one.
Note that this is different than:
I don't understand why people do buy things they can't afford.
Give us model E, the 40 K sedan. The rich people have paid enough money and you have built the credibility. Continuing to make play things too expensive for the masses is not how you are going to have long term impact or create disruptive technologies.
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I don't think you know what inflation does...
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Okay, let's say you drive it hard so range is reduced to 200 miles. To cover your 400 mile trip you would need to charge once, possibly twice. At a Supercharger it takes 50 minutes, although they are boosting them up to 150kW so it will come down to 40 minutes in the next year.
You are making a day of it, so are you really saying you drive 400 miles without any kind of break? Many ICE cars can't drive that far on a single tank, especially if you drive them hard, so presumably you at least stop to fill up once or twice. I'm really struggling to see how supercharging isn't a solution.
Also, I hope I never meet you on the road. After 400 miles with no stopping your ability is going to be compromised.
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This must be the kind of thinking that generates votes for Republican tax cuts for the rich.
The top 20% of HOUSEHOLD income starts at $101k. A five year loan for a Tesla with $10k down results in a monthly payment of $2,055 @ 4.59%.
There's no way a household with $101k income could afford to make house payments and drive a Tesla at $2k a month. That's 25% of their income for a highly depreciable asset.
Depending on their life choices (live in small, shitty efficiency, no kids, no vacations, buy everything used or Wal-Mart) they might be able to do it but realistically it's just nuts to assume a $100k household income can manage a $2k car payment.
Supercharger gives you 170 miles in 30 min.
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60 mph is 26.8224 meters per second. At 3.2 seconds, that's 8.382 mps2 / gravity (9.8 mps2) = 0.85G. I'll bet it's even higher off the line.
When Tesla recently announced their certified used program, people were asking, "What would someone trading in a Model S buy? Another Model S?" Now we have an answer to that question.
You have no fucking clue huh? And you're obviously young and single with no experience managing your finances.
The average American salary is around $40K/yr.
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That's more like $2,500/month after taxes, health insurance, etc...if you're lucky enough to take home 75% of your income. I take home about 60%.
The Tesla will cost you $1,300 month + $200 month for insurance + $100 month for power = $1,600
About 65% of your monthly spending. Good luck living in your car with the remaining $900 month.
Oh, and if you don't want to be a complete ass hat, you should be saving at least $500 of that $900 each month for unexpected expenses.
So you've got $400 a month. Hope you have a way to cook ramen in that Tesla home of yours.
And don't get a bad tooth ache. That will cost you $2,000 to fix. Don't have to go to the ER. That will cost you at least $2,000.
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
$10,000 isn't close to enough to be saving for later life. You only (typically) get about 35 years of working life, and most of us will get around 30-35 years as a pensioner. That means that you're currently setting yourself up to be living on $10,000 a year (assuming investment keeps up with inflation).
You must be European. Retirement age in the US ~67, no way 'most of us' are making it to late 90's.
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I save more than $10k a year even with those payments. How would that make me financially irresponsible?
If you are a US worker making $80k, you can put $17,500 a year into your 401K and another $5,500 into a Roth IRA..... so your saving $10k/year is less than 1/2 the money you could be putting into your retirement accounts for the year.
If you are over age 50, you could be putting in $23,500 (401K) and $6,500 (Roth IRA)..... so your saving $10k/year would be only a third of what you could be saving, in your retirement account alone.
I don't know if I would say "in good shape" when the future dollar worth will be 1/2-1/4 after 35 yes with a 2-4% inflation rate.
Worst case inflation, 18.5k/year(present dollars) is about minimum wage, and maintaining lifestyle will eat up the 500-900k present dollar savings for many retirees in <10 years. I hope they don't intend to live past 75 (average life expectancy is already at least that).
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My BMW 330xi can get 475-500 highway miles out of tank when driven conservatively. By 'conservatively' I mean that I try to keep my speed as even as possible, minimal burst acceleration, coasting down hills, etc. I can get that 475+ mile range while maintaining 80mph. I drive from Seattle to San Francisco once or twice per year to visit family. I try to arrange things so I don't have to fuel up in Oregon (I'd rather pump the gas myself), and generally can make the entire 840 mile trip with one stop in under 12 hours.
With that said, I would trade my car for a Tesla with no hesitation. I would be willing to deal with the charging stations on long trips, or even just not visit my family. They are in-laws after all.