Ask Slashdot: Best Books On the Life and Work of Nikola Tesla?

Not a narcisisst by wiredlogic · 2014-10-12 05:25 · Score: 5, Insightful

Because Edison was a Jobs-like narcissist who used people to elevate his status and promote himself. Tesla was too busy working in the lab to revel in fame and build a populist legacy.

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Re:Not a narcisisst by Unknown74 · 2014-10-12 05:37 · Score: 3, Interesting

I disagree about Edison being like Jobs. Edison made more connections to folks in business - he, too, worked in the lab, and made a great invention - the light bulb. But then he realized that to get lightbulbs in every house, he had to get electricity in every house, too. Enter Westinghouse, and may others who invented the electricity distribution industry. Come on - who could be as big an a$$hole as Jobs...really???
Re: Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 05:49 · Score: 1, Interesting

Edison did not "invent" the light bulb. The first known attempt at an electrical arc lamp took place some 70 years before Edison.
As for Edison's contribution to the evolution of the light bulb, it was mostly his lab staff that did the work and had the ideas coupled with the work Swann did in parallel initially.
Re:Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 05:53 · Score: 0

I disagree about Edison being like Jobs. Edison made more connections to folks in business - he, too, worked in the lab, and made a great invention - the light bulb. But then he realized that to get lightbulbs in every house, he had to get electricity in every house, too. Enter Westinghouse, and may others who invented the electricity distribution industry.
Come on - who could be as big an a$$hole as Jobs...really???
Edison did NOT invent the light bulb. He bought the design (patent) from two Canadian inventors (Henry Woodward and Mathew Evans): http://www.google.com/patents/US181613
Re:Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:18 · Score: 0

1) Incandescent lights using resistive materials already existed before the Canadian patent.
2) That patent uses carbon. Before that platinum and other materials were used. Considering that Edison's ultimate design used tungsten, he probably wasted his money buying that patent.
The Wikipedia page has a pretty good history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_bulb#History
Re: Not a narcisisst by F34nor · 2014-10-12 06:20 · Score: 2

He figured it out using a form of lucid dreaming combined with power napping. He would hold a brass ball in his hand when napping, right as he entered REM and began to loose muscle tension, he would drop and the ball and write down what he was thinking.
Re: Not a narcisisst by grouchomarxist · 2014-10-12 06:27 · Score: 1

It is true that other people invented the first light bulb, but the arc lamp was not a light bulb.
Re:Not a narcisisst by SuricouRaven · 2014-10-12 07:12 · Score: 4, Informative

Edison didn't invent a lot of his inventions. He hired others who had the ideas. He recognised the value of a brand, and made himself the brand - Edison, the genius inventor, pioneer of electricity, lighting, sound recording, moving photography, and many other fields. Taking credit for things wasn't just to fuel his ego, but for solid business reasons: Any product percieved to be the work of the great Edison would automatically be taken seriously.
Re:Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 07:34 · Score: 3, Informative

Jobs didn't electrocute animals to show how bad Tesla's AC was.
Re:Not a narcisisst by Bing+Tsher+E · 2014-10-12 08:09 · Score: 5, Insightful

Probably Edison's greatest invention was the modern Research and Development Lab. Before him, inventions were made by individuals working out of barns or the back room in existing factories. Edison pioneered the idea of having a staff of scientists and engineers working for one organization.
Re:Not a narcisisst by Bing+Tsher+E · 2014-10-12 08:12 · Score: 1

It is easier to electrocute animals using AC. AC penetrates complex impedances much deeper than DC. There's a thing called reactance. DC shocks are still nasty and can be nastier actually since they ionize, but AC penetrates deeper.
Re:Not a narcisisst by serviscope_minor · 2014-10-12 08:20 · Score: 2

Yes, I think that truly is Edison's greatest invention and one that really seems to have sprung from him.

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Re:Not a narcisisst by bkmoore · 2014-10-12 08:42 · Score: 1

Jobs didn't electrocute animals to show how bad Tesla's AC was.
It's kind of hard to shock an animal with a Pentium II.
Re:Not a narcisisst by Moof123 · 2014-10-12 09:17 · Score: 3, Insightful

Edison and Tesla do a good job pointing to the difference between a "cut and try" design engineer, and a really good engineer who knows his theory. Edison got his stuff to work after many tries, often with sub-optimal solutions, and was quite the marketeer and salesman. Tesla quietly got the right solution, with math to back it up, and got screwed over thanks to his less effective self promotion.
Tesla nailed the guts of the 3 phase AC power grid pretty quickly. Edison's DC solution was lame and nuts at its face. Edison invented the electric chair to poison the well on AC for years, while Tesla had to give away his rights to Westinghouse to get the right answer adopted.
I see shades of this play out in engineering companies all the time, and the lesson I have learned is to always be doubly cautious whenever an engineer is a little too good at selling his idea and too confident in the promised results.
Re:Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 09:19 · Score: 0

Most of Edison's inventions were invented by the engineers working for his company; he merely just took the credit for other people's work. Contrary to the popular belief, he did not invent the light bulb - he just took credit for other people's work.
This is best description of Edison: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla
Re: Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 09:43 · Score: 0

Technically speaking it wasn't but the idea is what matters. The purpose and function was close enough.
Re: Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 10:00 · Score: 1

a lot of his notes were things like "dropped ball again. maybe use sticky gloves?"
Re:Not a narcisisst by ray-auch · 2014-10-12 10:15 · Score: 4, Interesting

There is good engineering and engineering a successful product. Edison was much better at understanding the latter, he also understood and played the patents system. He was in the end by far the better capitalist / businessman, hence he won, financially, and winners write the history books.
Before writing Tesla down as always the great engineer who never got successful, it is worth remembering that he did make a fortune (tens of millions in today's money) from his AC patents before he gave up on the royalties, but he died a pauper because he blew his fortune self-funding research into ideas that were much less good - too confident in his own promised results, he sunk all his money into ideas that just didn't work.
Re:Not a narcisisst by westlake · 2014-10-12 10:17 · Score: 1

Because Edison was a Jobs-like narcissist who used people to elevate his status and promote himself. Tesla was too busy working in the lab to revel in fame and build a populist legacy.
The short list:
1877. The phonograph.
Edison and Bell both began in at a time even almost no one believed that reproducing the human voice across vast distances of time and space would ever be possible.
Distributing Music Over Telephone Lines [1909]
The Carbon Microphone. [1877-78]
No more need to shout into the phone. First Long Distance calls. New York to Chicago, 1892.

Then an inventor named Michael I. Pupin invented (and patented) the loading coil, a device made of electromagnets that could strengthen an electronic signal; with enough loading coils wired into a circuit, and wired properly, the signal could reach 1,500 miles---from New York to Denver---before degrading so far as to be unfathomable.
Calling a country far, far away
The Incandescent Light Bulb (1879)
The Edison lamp could be wired in parallel, making it easy to service and drawing down relatively little power. It was reasonanly long lived. affordable, bright, without being blinding ---- of the twenty or so previous examples the geek has likely read about, all would fail on one or more counts.
Edison was both a system builder and an entrepreneur.
Residential lighting demanded a whole new way of thinking about electricity. On-site generation wasn't likely to be practical. You needed switches safe enough for a child to use. Wiring standards.
Things like fuses. cords, plugs and sockets ---
all designed for users who had never in their lives seen a fire ignited by a man-made electrical spark or over-heated wire, never experienced anything more dangerous than a mild static shock.
That makes you both the advocate and the educator. You use every resource the 19th Century has to offer to demonstrate what you have to offer and how to use it safely. You banish the candle and put up Christmas tree lights. You illuminate theaters, department stores, fairs and expositions.
Not enough electricians around to wire every home?
You recruit and train them yourself.
Re:Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 10:23 · Score: 0

As with most things on The Oatmeal, that infographic is full of half-truths and hyperbole.
Re:Not a narcisisst by Ozoner · 2014-10-12 11:08 · Score: 1

Sorry, but NO.
Animals (and people) don't have complex impedances.
They are purely resistive (to all practical purposes)
Re:Not a narcisisst by dbIII · 2014-10-12 12:01 · Score: 1

Some guy who worked for Edison invented the light bulb, hence the Steve Jobs comparison, and in many ways he was a far bigger prick than Jobs. For instance Steve Jobs did not call a press conference to publicly electrocute animals as some sort of snarky one-upmanship on a rival.
Re:Not a narcisisst by dbIII · 2014-10-12 12:06 · Score: 2

Wedgewood did the same more than a century earlier as an a fully industrial example and there were plenty of examples linked to academia. Edison's company did a lot but there's no point crediting him with such a thing.
Re: Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 15:10 · Score: 0

That's still better than "dropped ball again. must not hold it over my groin"...
Re:Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 15:12 · Score: 0

This. x 100 000 000 000 000
Re: Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 15:15 · Score: 0

Wasn't it a brass coin on his forehead?
as he nodded off coin dropped into bucket and woke him up
Re:Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 17:15 · Score: 0

Actually he did. That's what the whole you are holding it wrong was about.
He just failed to replace the battery with something big enough to do the job right.
Re: Not a narcisisst by Jane+Q.+Public · 2014-10-12 17:25 · Score: 1

Yes. You beat me to it.

The arc lamp and the light bulb are two very different things. Just the name gives it away: one uses an electric arc. The light bulb uses an electrically-heated filament. They are about as similar as wine and vinegar.

Having said that, it is true that he didn't invent the idea of the filament bulb. But he did improve the it enough to make it practical.
Re: Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 18:40 · Score: 0

No. What made his invention different was a filament that didn't consume itself.
An arc lamp doesn't use a filament. The electrodes also are consume. You also have to physically bring the electrodes together to get the arc started and then draw them apart.
Yes, they both produce light, but they do so in very different ways.
Re:Not a narcisisst by pegdhcp · 2014-10-12 20:50 · Score: 1

Sorry, but as the frequency rises, path taken by the current shifts to the surface. You can search for the skin effect.
Re:Not a narcisisst by slackerfilm · 2014-10-13 00:17 · Score: 1

Tesla was employed by Edison so it is very possible that some of Edison's contributions were, in reality Tesla's

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Re: Not a narcisisst by whereiswaldo · 2014-10-13 00:39 · Score: 1

I've held my arm over my head just for fun when trying to sleep and at the moment you doze off, your arm falls on you.
Re: Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 03:10 · Score: 0

Edison did not "invent" the light bulb. The first known attempt at an electrical arc lamp took place some 70 years before Edison.
As for Edison's contribution to the evolution of the light bulb, it was mostly his lab staff that did the work and had the ideas coupled with the work Swann did in parallel initially.
Electric arc lights have nothing in common with the Edison invented incandescent light.
There where people other than Edison working on incandescent lights but Edison was unique in his realization he needed to find a suitable filament material that had high instead of low electrical resistance. Low resistance incandescence lights do work but the large currents required cannot be supported by any practical electricity distribution system
Re:Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 03:11 · Score: 0

No ac does not penetrate deeper. There is a reason the skin effect is called the skin effect and not the bone effect.
Re:Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 06:16 · Score: 0

Steve Jobs also didn't claim to invent the iPhone. Sorry that you're so bent on hating the guy that you can't see the real difference here.

How does it feel to invest yourself into the hating of another human being that you probably never knew, probably never was in real competition with and wouldn't matter to you at all if it wasn't for your ego being bigger than your true sense of self worth?
Re:Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 07:44 · Score: 0

(first of all if I could figure out how to put my name on I would - it's Slashdot that has me posting as "Anonymous Coward" or so it tells me that I am doing... for the record, my name is Alma Alexander, and my claim to Tesla fame is (a) I come from the seme neck of the woods where he was born so he's MY boy, which Edison the grubby little money spinner never was adn (b) I am a novelist who invited Tesla into a YA series of fantasy novels (the Worldweavers books, for those who care to look it up) and as a consequence did quite a bit of reading and research on Tesla to do it.)
About Tesla. Yes, he gave up the royalties from his invetions and died a pauper. Maybe you should read the full story on that before you leave it at "gave up". Yes, he died a pauper. But that's because the system screwed him. And he probably would have delivered on the "free to everyone" electricity if the system hadn't screwed him - and that was one of the "bad ideas" that you dismiss above. Anyone can earn money,if they leave scruples behind. Tesla - who was a really brilliant man and admittedly a LITTLE crazy - lived by a different code altogehter. He was a knight (who occasionally might have tilted at windmills, but hey, he wasn't the first). He lived by a deeply held dignity and sense of honour. Unfortunately these are not qualities that are greatly prized in the capitalist world.
Re:Not a narcisisst by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 19:02 · Score: 0

The skin effect can save your posterior. The current flows on the outside, and not through the center.
Amusingly, there is a move towards DC distribution of power as it can be more efficient. AC provides a method for boosting voltage back up without active components, but it has many more side effects that DC doesn't.
Look up HVDC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current
Re:Not a narcisisst by pegdhcp · 2014-10-15 01:57 · Score: 1

This is interesting, thank you for that. However in my opinion, it is better to have a simple design in high power systems.Those converters seem to be very complex...

Margaret Cheney by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 05:30 · Score: 5, Informative

Man Out of Time

Re:Margaret Cheney by Pharmboy · 2014-10-12 05:33 · Score: 1

Exactly. This is the probably the best and least error prone book I know about his life. I've read it more than twice.

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Re:Margaret Cheney by MightyYar · 2014-10-12 05:48 · Score: 3, Funny

"Exploiting Geniuses for Dummies" by Edison is my favorite.

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Re:Margaret Cheney by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 05:59 · Score: 1

Defintely Man Out Of Time. I read it last year and it's an amazingly detailed account and well researched. It's a great place to start and pretty balanced.
Re:Margaret Cheney by cosm · 2014-10-12 06:06 · Score: 1

THIS! READ IT! That is all.

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Re:Margaret Cheney by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:48 · Score: 0

Man Out Of Time... must be a reference to another genius nickname : moot
Re: Margaret Cheney by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 10:06 · Score: 0

"The Life and Times of Nicolai Tesla". Can't remember the author but it was published by Packt Press and got a great review on Slashdot.
Re:Margaret Cheney by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 11:05 · Score: 0

Totally agree. I have several books of his, including ALL of his works.. this is the best by far.
Re: Margaret Cheney by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 11:42 · Score: 1

The problem with this, and all other books I've found about Tesla, is its credulity. People interpret Tesla's oddities, such as synesthesia, in an almost mystical manner. Eg, his claim to be able to actively interact with imagined objects is accepted without question.
My conclusion, after reading what I could find, is that Tesla had a cult of personality. I'm not denying he was a genius, but he proclaimed himself a "scientist" when in fact I think it's more accurate to say he was an inventor with great intuition. This is evidenced in the errors of some of his scientific "discoveries", such as the interaction of EM waves with the earth.
This is in contrast to, eg, Steinmetz, who was extremely modest and cast himself as an inventor, when in fact he provided the basic mathematics needed for practical AC engineering -- ie, he was actually a scientist.
Good luck.
Re: Margaret Cheney by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 01:14 · Score: 0

For many years I assumed everyone had the ability to actively interact with imagined objects, as you well phrased it.
Re:Margaret Cheney by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 06:42 · Score: 0

+1 to Man Out of Time by Margaret Cheney. Excellent book, I've read it a few times.
Re:Margaret Cheney by Darinbob · 2014-10-13 07:08 · Score: 1

Is it accurate, or more about the popular myths? Just the title seems to be building on the myth. People want to have some sort of science/tech god out there, and we first invented Edison as the god and didn't look closely at the reality, now the pendulum is swinging again and people want Tesla to be the god instead and also ignoring the reality.
Re:Margaret Cheney by OpiumEd · 2014-10-18 06:14 · Score: 1

There is also a follow-up to "Man Out of Time" - a coffee table book by Margaret Cheney & Robert Uth, "TESLA: Master of Lightning".

Recommended book by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 05:31 · Score: 3, Informative

"Tesla: Man Out of Time" by Margaret Cheney

Google/Amazon it.

Re:Recommended book by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 00:55 · Score: 1

The book about Tesla's early childhood, education, emigration overseas, rise, fall and death...
Written for kids, but surprisingly accurate. From croatian author Ivica Ivanac:
"U tami svjetlo" (light in darkness)
https://openlibrary.org/works/OL4238247W/U_tami_svjetlo--
Probably the most inspiring book from my childhood.
Not sure there is any version translated to English though....

Great promo op for Tesla Motors by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 05:31 · Score: 1

Give away a paperback bio of Tesla at their showrooms, with a foreward from Elon Musk.

I'd swing by, and make appreciative comments about all the storage space under the hood.

New Book by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 05:32 · Score: 3, Interesting

Tesla: Inventor of the Electrical Age by W. Bernard Carlson

Cheney's "Man out of Time" by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 05:33 · Score: 0

I read Margaret Cheney's Tesla: A Man out of Time last year and found it a fantastic read.

My favorite internet thing about tesla by pellik · 2014-10-12 05:33 · Score: 3, Funny

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/t...

Re:My favorite internet thing about tesla by roman_mir · 2014-10-14 04:24 · Score: 2

By the way, out of all the Edison related stuff that the comic strip is complaining about, the fact that he married a 16 year old should be taken in context. He was 24 at the time and girls were marrying at 16, there was nothing special or 'criminal' about it at all, people still marry at 16 even today.

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Short version by meerling · 2014-10-12 05:33 · Score: 1

Edison was an ego-maniacal self promoter, while Tesla wasn't that interested in whipping up the public over trivia.
If you want more, read the book the previous two posters mention, I hear it does a pretty good job of explaining that stuff, though I haven't read it myself.

Read Tesla's patents by Animats · 2014-10-12 05:34 · Score: 5, Informative

If you want a non-bullshit view of Tesla, read his patents. His real achievement was that he figured out most of the kinds of modern AC motors. It's not at all obvious how you get an AC motor started and turning in the right direction. Clever tricks with bits of copper in the magnetic circuit are used to bias starting direction, and synchronous motors start up as induction motors. Tesla worked all that out. It's very elegant. AC machine design is hard, and, unlike DC machine design, requires calculus. That was a big jolt for engineering at the time. Nothing before had required that much math to make it work.

You can also read his thinking about the Wardenclyffe tower in his patents. He had RF propagation all wrong. He thought the ionosphere was a conductive layer. His plan was to punch through to the ionosphere by ionizing a path all the way up (!), and transmit power and signals conductively, using the ionosphere and the ground as a pair of conductors.

Re:Read Tesla's patents by Unknown74 · 2014-10-12 05:39 · Score: 1

Now, this was one area where Tesla was right. Edison was stuck on DC, but it just isn't good for long range power transmission. Maybe it was pure stubborness, who knows.
Re:Read Tesla's patents by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 05:57 · Score: 0

or not, for long-distance transmission, High Voltage Direct Current systems may be less expensive and suffer lower electrical losses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current
Re:Read Tesla's patents by K.+S.+Kyosuke · 2014-10-12 06:05 · Score: 2

but it just wasn't good for long range power transmission
FTFY.

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Re:Read Tesla's patents by sribe · 2014-10-12 06:05 · Score: 3, Insightful

or not, for long-distance transmission, High Voltage Direct Current systems may be less expensive and suffer lower electrical losses.
Sure, now with a century's worth of time passed, and significant advances in DC power electronics over the past couple of decades...
Re:Read Tesla's patents by janimal · 2014-10-12 06:05 · Score: 4, Interesting

I understood the power transmission thing differently. I thought he wanted to resonate the capacitance of the Earth's atmosphere to transmit AC power. The reason that the idea didn't take off was that you can't meter the consumption. Anyone has access to siphon off the energy from the atmosphere. He had a solution that did not yield itself to a viable business model.
Re:Read Tesla's patents by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 07:08 · Score: 0

Yes. Problem is, nobody cares; the whole Tesla v. Edison online-geek-adulation thing has driven me crazy with how much of it is made up. I'm an electrical engineer in power systems, and I wish people were more interested in any of the nuance (or the technology itself).
Re:Read Tesla's patents by SuricouRaven · 2014-10-12 07:16 · Score: 1

That, and it would be horrendously inefficient. He did manage to light up some bulbs from many miles away - but it took a power station to run the transmitter.
In modern terms, he would be using the earth and atmosphere as a transmission line.
Running it today would be a bad idea, too. The amount of energy he was using, it could easily interfere with and even damage the input stages of radio equipment.
Re:Read Tesla's patents by Bing+Tsher+E · 2014-10-12 08:16 · Score: 1

There are long range DC powerlines in use. They are effective in their implementation. There are also a lot of rabid rural types who rant about them and 'strange effects' that come from being near the lines. Almost batshit like Tesla in his later years.
Re:Read Tesla's patents by serviscope_minor · 2014-10-12 08:25 · Score: 1

Actually, HVDC has been in use for over a century. They generally used a mercury arc rectifier to make DC, then used that to run a motor driving a synchronus generator.
AC fails sufficiently badly on underground or underwater links that HVDC despite the major faff has been in use for a long time.
That said, AC is still the best means for district, regional and even country wide (well not as large as the US or Europe, but within a state of either) distribution for a variety of very good reasons.
Edison was flat our wrong and DC sucks for the most part as a transmission mechanism. And he was a massive dick about it with his electric chair demos.

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Re:Read Tesla's patents by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 08:39 · Score: 0

Compared to present day corporations, he only used animal killing. He's an ethical standard, actually.
Re:Read Tesla's patents by pthisis · 2014-10-12 09:11 · Score: 1

If you want a non-bullshit view of Tesla, read his patents. His real achievement was that he figured out most of the kinds of modern AC motors. It's not at all obvious how you get an AC motor started and turning in the right direction. Clever tricks with bits of copper in the magnetic circuit are used to bias starting direction, and synchronous motors start up as induction motors. Tesla worked all that out
Like Edison, Tesla had a surprising knack for suddenly inventing and patenting things that had been invented shortly beforehand by people in other countries, and then failing to credit the original inventor while pocketing their profits; the modern induction motor is one example. Galileo Ferarris worked it all out and published in 1885; Tesla (supposedly independently) invented it and filed for a US patent on it a couple of years later, and Tesla and Westinghouse abused the patent and court system to deprive the original inventor of credit and rights (Even if Tesla actually did come up with it independently, he was second to the table).
Walter Bailey had also demonstrated induction motors in 1879, but they were a more primitive design.

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Re:Read Tesla's patents by Beck_Neard · 2014-10-12 09:17 · Score: 4, Interesting

> You can also read his thinking about the Wardenclyffe tower in his patents. He had RF propagation all wrong. He thought the ionosphere was a conductive layer. His plan was to punch through to the ionosphere by ionizing a path all the way up (!), and transmit power and signals conductively, using the ionosphere and the ground as a pair of conductors.
I'm not sure where you're getting that from, but by looking through his writings I came to a completely different conclusion. You're right about his thinking that the ionosphere was a conductive layer, but he didn't intend to punch a current path through it. Instead he reasoned that the ground+atmosphere+ionosphere system was a huge resonant circuit. His idea was to excite it at its resonant frequency so that it would be able to store huge amounts of power which could then be tapped anywhere in the world.

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Re: Read Tesla's patents by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 11:45 · Score: 0

It's also important to remember that Tesla was a fan of AC because of his dream of wireless power. But that required high frequencies, not the boring 60hz stuff that Westinghouse made a gazillion dollars on.
Re:Read Tesla's patents by dbIII · 2014-10-12 12:15 · Score: 1

It was mainly a misunderstanding of the atmosphere that required a lot of research to correct. The ionosphere is weird enough with what we know about it today.
In a world without transmission lines it would have looked like it was worth giving it a try.
Re:Read Tesla's patents by K.+S.+Kyosuke · 2014-10-12 16:51 · Score: 1

Edison was flat our wrong and DC sucks for the most part as a transmission mechanism.

But in the next-gen grids, AC might suck even more so we may still end up going down the DC route in the future.

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Re:Read Tesla's patents by serviscope_minor · 2014-10-12 22:19 · Score: 2

But in the next-gen grids, AC might suck even more so we may still end up going down the DC route in the future.
Maybe for long, point to point links. Unlikely for regional and district scale distribution. The other problem with HVDC is it's hard to have multidrop, harder to add power in and even harder to have a drop that can either add or remove power.
Synchronus machines make that very easy on AC.
Wide scale grid synchronisation is very hard due to the speed of light, and AC is less efficient over ery long links, so distant, disparate grids are best linked with HVDC.

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Re:Read Tesla's patents by K.+S.+Kyosuke · 2014-10-12 22:33 · Score: 1

Maybe for long, point to point links. Unlikely for regional and district scale distribution.
Yet it is precisely those long, point-to-point (and reversible) links that are going to be vital for geographic PV and wind power balancing. Witness also the German-Norwegian cooperation on renewable energy production that basically mandates the use of undersea HVDC.

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The Tesla Archive. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 05:36 · Score: 5, Informative

Every extant article he ever wrote, in a 1GB PDF. Download here: http://aetherforce.com/the-tesla-archives-are-here-every-single-article-ever-written-by-tesla-free/

Re:The Tesla Archive. by MightyYar · 2014-10-12 05:46 · Score: 4, Funny

Tesla was so kick-ass to put all of his stuff into PDF format. That is some serious forward thinking. Edison has all of his stuff on wax cylinders and in PPT.

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Re:The Tesla Archive. by Visserau · 2014-10-12 12:03 · Score: 1

+1 mod up.
But 1GB PDF as the only source, really? :(

Alice in Wonderland. by hey! · 2014-10-12 05:44 · Score: 1

Because, to paraphrase the late computer science pioneer Alan Perlis, Alice in Wonderland is the best book ever written about anything.

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Tesla Biography by shubus · 2014-10-12 05:45 · Score: 5, Informative

in 2013 the new Tesla Biography "Tesla - Inventor of the Electric Age" by W. Bernard Carlson was published. This book dispels many of the popular myths surrounding Tesla and is extremely well researched. Recommended reading for Tesla fans.

Re:Tesla Biography by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 20:25 · Score: 0

+1

Tesla a TRUE innovator! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 05:51 · Score: 1

Narcisissts.

What?! You didn't include Musk? Or Ellison?

Listen, the name of the game in Silicon Valley is self promotion. Creating a myth around yourself - whether true or not - is the name of the game, baby.

On another note, it's amazing to me how dissing Jobs gets you mod'ed up or at least not mod'ed Troll these days on Slashdot. Come on guys, you remember the 90s! Saying ANYTHING negative about Jobs got you mod'ed into oblivion.

And now in the '10s, we have the Muskies - the Musk fanboys.

At least some folks still remember Tesla - and let's remember to use him as a benchmark for innovators, shall we?

Re:Tesla a TRUE innovator! by Hognoxious · 2014-10-12 09:00 · Score: 1

mod'ed

Wouldn't it be quicker to just type the second d?
It'd certainly be a lot less retarded.

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Re:Tesla a TRUE innovator! by psmears · 2014-10-12 09:13 · Score: 1

Wouldn't it be quicker to just type the second d?
I guess the apostrophe stands for "erat"?

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Re: Tesla a TRUE innovator! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 01:04 · Score: 0

As in Q'D ?

Edison by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 05:55 · Score: 0

Why is Thomas Edison so well known and covered in education/popular culture

Edison was an Americanâ businessman and user of people. Of course he's gonna be lionised.

Re:Edison by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:02 · Score: 0

And that character after 'American' is supposed to be a TM trademark symbol. It showed up in Slashdot's preview, but the actual post seems to render it as a lowercase a with a circumflex.
Thanks Slashdot.
Re:Edison by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 17:16 · Score: 0

Why is Thomas Edison so well known and covered in education/popular culture
Edison was an Americanâ businessman and user of people. Of course he's gonna be lionised.
Replace the "r" in american with an"x" and you end up having a-mexican.
You guys do realize you appear to be pretty much the same in the eyes of the rest of the world -- loud fat and selfishly self centered about your "race".

The Power Makers by Maury Klein by calidoscope · 2014-10-12 06:02 · Score: 2

While this book is not a Tesla biography, it does give a good picture of how Tesla fit in with the beginnings of the electric power industry. The book does give Tesla proper credit for the invention of poly-phase AC and the induction motor, but also points out that Stanley and Thomson were working on AC distribution before Tesla along with a lot of refinement on the induction motor being done by Benjamin Lamme.

It is the likes of Lamme and Steinmetz that are the unsung heroes of the electrical age.

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Could also be racism... by xpax666 · 2014-10-12 06:04 · Score: 0

Edison was born in the US and Tesla was from Croatia. It isn't surprising to me that Edison would be put forth as an example of someone living the American delusion (nee dream), whereas Tesla would've been seen as an 'evil' foreigner. Back in those days, your grandparents were young -- did you think they became prejudiced in their old age? Unlikely.

Re:Could also be racism... by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 08:47 · Score: 0

Can I have this meal with a sex-changed inteligence soldier ?

Why Edison is a household name and Tesla is a band by Vellmont · 2014-10-12 06:05 · Score: 5, Insightful

Other people talk about the self-promotional nature of Edison, and how Tesla wasn't as interested in that. That's true, and that's a piece of the answer. But there's another more basic difference in what they invented. Edison invented end products that people came into contact with every day, like the electric light or the phonograph. Tesla invented the infra-structure necessary for modern life like AC power generation, and the AC motor. Those are hugely important, but the average person doesn't come into contact with them directly, only the effect of it.

So it's much easier for the average person to see what Edison did for them, but harder for them to see what Tesla did for them. It shouldn't be any wonder that Tesla isn't well known.

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Narative by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:08 · Score: 1

I think the submitter wants a narative with something more than his technical acheivements.

Like, what drove him to invent?

His education?

family life? Who encouraged him? Who inspired him? Why was he so inept at business - how the hell did Westinghouse screw him over?! Tesla was a genius but got screwed over by a business guy? Really? Was he THAT gullible?!

There is MUCH more to a person than his technical acheivments and his patents.

Re:Narative by tlambert · 2014-10-12 07:34 · Score: 2

Why was he so inept at business - how the hell did Westinghouse screw him over?! Tesla was a genius but got screwed over by a business guy? Really? Was he THAT gullible?!
Typically, you trust the people you are working with the first one or two times, with the expectation that they will also trust you. Then your trust gets violated, and you either learn caution (e.g. "Get everything in writing"), or you continue to get screwed. If you've ever read the book "The Evolution of Cooperation" by Robert Axelrod, a perfectly logical player in the mutual security game will operate for mutual long term overall benefit, rather than short term benefit for themselves. Sadly, not everyone is entirely logical, and for many of those persons, it's not enough that they have more as a result of your mutual efforts, for them to feel good about it, *you* must have less.
Re:Narative by dbIII · 2014-10-12 12:26 · Score: 1

Tesla was a genius but got screwed over by a business guy? Really? Was he THAT gullible?!

It happens a lot today. Some dirty tricks like share dilution where you go from owning 50% of a company to 1% overnight without being informed are not obvious until it's happened. Then there's other stuff like splitting off all the assets into a new company and leaving the previous owners with nothing but debt - all at least partially reversible if you've got the cash to keep lawyers fed for a decade but it gets sprung on people who can't. Courtrooms are full of such stuff and the penalties on the people that play these tricks are very light to non-existent.

Nobody reads books these days by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:10 · Score: 0

watch the video instead.

Re:Nobody reads books these days by cyberzephyr · 2014-10-12 06:52 · Score: 1

Very Cool!

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PBS by tom229 · 2014-10-12 06:19 · Score: 2

I didn't check if anyone recommended this yet, but pbs made a documentary "Tesla - The Master of Lightening". I thought it was amazing, and it's available on US Netflix.

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Re:PBS by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:39 · Score: 0

If he was a master of lightening, was this connected with the Heavyside Layer in the ionosphere?

It was also a documentary by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:19 · Score: 0

But check out The Prestige by Christopher Priest.

His own book... by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:19 · Score: 0

"My Inventions and Other Writings", by Nikola Tesla. Available on Amazon.

Book: Empires of Light by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:20 · Score: 0

Empires of Light: Edison, Tesla, Westinghouse, and the Race to Electrify the World. This does not focus exclusively on Tesla but well documents the "Battle of the Currents" - Testal/Westinghouse alternating current vs. Edison direct current.

Re:Book: Empires of Light by peter303 · 2014-10-12 09:16 · Score: 1

I really enjoyed the Empire book and learned a lot about the non-Edison characters.

Re:Why Edison is a household name and Tesla is a b by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:26 · Score: 0

Ridiculous - by the middle of his career, Tesla was a huge showman. By the end of his career that's all he was. He hanged out with celbrities and gave light shows demonstrating electrical effects just because they looked cool. He made grandiose claims like death-rays, without any actual invention or theory to back them up.

My Inventions Nikola Tesla by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:29 · Score: 0

I bought a book called Nikol Tesla My Inventions when I visited Belgrade some years ago. I bought the book in the Tesla Museum ( http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g294472-d1584393-Reviews-Muzej_Nikole_Tesle_Nikola_Tesla_Museum-Belgrade.html ). The book itself is known ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Inventions:_The_Autobiography_of_Nikola_Tesla ) and in English.

The book is quite good.

Less about the man himself.... by zannox · 2014-10-12 06:33 · Score: 1

But its one of my treasured books.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Comp...

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Re:Why Edison is a household name and Tesla is a b by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:35 · Score: 0

Don't you dare. Tesla was the biggest inventor in the history of mankind.

An interesting documentary by kevingolding2001 · 2014-10-12 06:40 · Score: 1

I found this documentary very entertaining.

Son of a bitch. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 06:43 · Score: 0

My dear sir or madam:

That was a brilliant and insightful analysis that happens to fit in a Slashdot post.

*No sarcasm intended*

The library by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 07:00 · Score: 0

Before the Internet they were buildings used to Starbucks there called libraries.
Visit your local one.

Check Vladimir Pistalo's book by dpeterc · 2014-10-12 07:57 · Score: 1

Depending on your language skills, you might try Vladimir Pistalo: "Nikola Testa, A Portrait Among the Masks" http://www.agora-books.co.rs/i... or http://www.amazon.com/Pishtalo... One curiosity from that book. Shortly after dropping out of school in Graz http://www.teslauniverse.com/n... he moved to Maribor http://www.teslauniverse.com/n... where wasted his energy on alcohol and gambling. What impressed me most was the way his mother cured him of gambling. After he was deported from Maribor back to Gospic, mother gave him all her money and told him to spend it on gambling, and get cured in this way. He was so ashamed that he stopped. Source: http://www.mladina.si/144723/v...

Occult and looney new-age books. by Bing+Tsher+E · 2014-10-12 08:22 · Score: 1

Back when Barnes and Noble had a lot more retail locations than they do now, there was always a table somewhere in the store with 'visionary' type books at remnant prices. It usually featured the kind of speculative fancy that these days plays on the 'Discover' channel (or has Discover gone off the air? I see such little television...) Anyhow, there are usually big coffee-table books about Alestair Crowley, Blavatsky, and of course a few books with public domain drawings by Tesla.

Tesla was a rigorous scientist in his younger years but a nerd not a businessman. He went slowly insane because of how he was treated. That doesn't mean his later ideas were 'repressed.' Reality has a way of repressing unfounded fancy.

Wieso Nicht ? by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 08:45 · Score: 0

We Germans also suffer that Guilt Bullshit every single day. No day without some SS, SA, KZ etc story in the newspaper. Plus Gender bla bla. Have to tear down our super-nasty power stations because they are too heinously efficient for the lazy Russkies and Saudis and they cannot easily sell our their hydrocarbons.

It is good America gets its share of the Scheiss. Because YOU manfacture it.

Re:Why Edison is a household name and Tesla is a b by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 08:50 · Score: 0

What I know is Tesla as a unit of magentic field strength. I would be content with my last name used for that.

Untrue by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 08:54 · Score: 0

You could rig that Pentium to - say - the telephone network and then Compute Hellfire Launch Schedules. That does indeed scare some of these blabbermouth animals who walk only on two feet without sufficient hairs.

why read about tesla? by YoungManKlaus · 2014-10-12 09:24 · Score: 1

read about and _understand_ his work!
a) its the awesome part anyhow
b) considering his seemingly unending love for advances science, it would be only logical to conclude he would prefer people learning about his work than about "himself" (as in: cheap talk).

Tesla books and films by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 09:49 · Score: 0

Nikola Tesla - The Lost Inventions (1988) George Trinkaus
The Strange Life of Nikola Tesla. Nikola Tesla
The Strange Life of Nikola Tesla
The U.S. Patents of Nikola Tesla Freely available at the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. The Bipolar Planet
FBI files on Nikola Tesla.
Nikola Tesla - Lectures, Patents, Articles
Prodigal Genius BIOGRAPHY OF NIKOLA TESLA
Tesla's Egg of Columbus, radar stealt, the torsion sensor, and the "philadelphia experiment". Tesla symposium 1994. K.L Corum, J.F, Corum, J.F.X. Daum
The Lost journals of Nikola Tesla. Tim Swartz
Tesla: The Electric Magician. D. Trull
Harnessing the wheelwork of nature. Tesla's science of energy. Thomas Valone
Nikola TESLA’s Radiations and the Cosmic Rays. André Waser
Scalar waves. From an extended vortex and field theory to a technical, biological and historical use of longitudinal waves. Konstantin Meyl
Teslastrahlung: Die drahtlose Übertragung von Skalarwellen Theoretische Grundlagen und praktische Demonstrationen. Konstantin Meyl
Teslas Radiations und Kelvins Ringwirbel aus Sicht der modernen Neutrinoforschung. Konstantin Meyl
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Occult ether physics - Tesla's hidden space propulsion system - 2nd edn (1997). William Lyne
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(best) Secret of Nikola Tesla - The Movie (Tajna Nikole Tesle) (1980) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBcnMpYDiFU
Tesla - Master Of Lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB882PSnnJY

The Eye of the Storm - The Inventions of Nikola Tesla (1983) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vifJBZ-UhZQ
Phenomenon - The Lost Archives - The Missing Secrets of Nikola Tesla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DkNmvZpxpY
Eric Dollard and the Ultimate Tesla Secrets Revealed
Electromagnetic Environmental Compatibility. Prof. DrIng. Konstantin Meyl's lecture on Tesla1999
Prof. Konstantin Meyl the New Tesla. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKTkpC-DHZ8

Wizard by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 09:52 · Score: 0

I thought this book did a good job with a chronological explanation:

Wizard - The Life and Times of Nikola Tesla - by Marc Seifer

http://www.amazon.com/Wizard-Nikola-Biography-Genius-Citadel/dp/0806519606/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1413150571&sr=1-1&keywords=the+life+and+times+of+nikola+tesla

Re:Wizard by FPhlyer · 2014-10-12 15:45 · Score: 1

Currently listening to the audio book version of this. Seems to be a good bio so far.

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Edison invented the electric light? by lippydude · 2014-10-12 10:15 · Score: 1

@Vellmont: "Edison invented .. the electric light" ..

No he didn't, he copied a design by Swan, was sued and later on went into 'partnership' to produce light-bulbs under the name of Ediswan. Edison could be considered the Bill Gates of his day.

Re:Edison invented the electric light? by calidoscope · 2014-10-12 13:19 · Score: 1

What Edison invented was an incandescent light with a high enough resistance to make it possible to powered by a central station, along with the central station, a means of metering current, etc. Edison's work was mostly independent of Swan's.

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Re:Edison invented the electric light? by lippydude · 2014-10-12 13:37 · Score: 1

"Joseph Swan, a British inventor, obtained the first patent for the same light bulb in Britain one year prior to Edison's patent date. Swan even publicly unveiled his carbon filament light bulb in New Castle, England a minimum of 10 years before Edison shocked the world with the announcement that he invented the first light bulb. Edison's light bulb, in fact, was a carbon copy of Swan's light bulb".
Re:Edison invented the electric light? by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 02:27 · Score: 0

Yeah, and there were patents for AC generators before Tesla was even born. Keep that in mind the next time you want to beat the Tesla vs Edison drum.

Who cares! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 10:40 · Score: 0

Really? Get a life.

Pynchon's "Against the Day" by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-12 13:56 · Score: 0

Has a pretty interesting account in there among all the other stuff. Sure, it's fiction, but he's a pretty diligent researcher.

The one you don't have access to by RogueWarrior65 · 2014-10-12 13:59 · Score: 1

I'd say the best book has to be the collection of his papers taken by government agents from room #3327 on the 33rd floor of the Hotel New Yorker.

AC by cstacy · 2014-10-12 14:03 · Score: 1

Watt goes around, comes around.

Hype and Misdirection by Ozoner · 2014-10-12 15:11 · Score: 3, Interesting

Have lately been reading everything I can find on Tesla, hoping to find a rational scientific explanation of his "discoveries".
Unfortunately everything so far has been utter balderdash. Just an endless stream of hype.

I had hoped that "Man Out of Time would be better, but sadly it is not.
Cheney seems to be yet another author who has drunk the Tesla Cool Aid.

We hear repeatedly about "Powerful Vacuum Tubes" which turn out to be Geissler tubes,
and how Tesla would "let 100,000 volts harmlessly pass through his body" (no mention that it's high-impedance, and that nerves don't respond to H.F.)
And talk about his secret "High Power Oscillator", which was just a steam-driven linear generator.
Over and over we are told that "Scientists to this day don't know how this was done" when obviously most of it is third rate stage magic.

Hopefully one day a technically literate author will write a book which describes Telsa's work, but without all the hype and misdirection.

Re:Hype and Misdirection by gl4ss · 2014-10-12 19:20 · Score: 1

"Hopefully one day a technically literate author will write a book which describes Telsa's work, but without all the hype and misdirection."
that would be really, really nice. all the tesla stuff lately seems laced so heavily with conspiracy and free energy shit that it's not enjoyable to read at all. youtube is filled with tesla free energy devices of which none work and plenty aren't even based on his work - they just put the title there for it to be cool

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Marketing by Roger+W+Moore · 2014-10-12 18:17 · Score: 1

But he did improve the it enough to make it practical.

Actually even that is not true: Swan did it first, before Edison and some believe that Edison went as far to falsify evidence in the US court case to prevent him losing there. The sole reason that Edison is remembered is because he made a lot of money. Edison's contributions to light bulbs are like Bill Gates' contributions to Operating Systems: he marketed a popular early version of the invention.

Re:Marketing by Jane+Q.+Public · 2014-10-12 20:27 · Score: 1

I was not aware of the Swan situation.

On the other hand, Edison is known for far more than just the lightbulb. We was still a great inventor (or, perhaps more properly, he and his company were great inventors). That doesn't mean Edison was any kind of nice guy. Witness the Edison/Tesla battles; Edison was not above using nefarious means to get his way.

It wasn't Edison who led to Tesla's demise, though. Even though Edison had ripped him off. Because Tesla actually won the big AC/DC war. It was the then-owner of General Electric who really ruined him. I forget the guy's name now.
Re:Marketing by Roger+W+Moore · 2014-10-13 01:21 · Score: 1

perhaps more properly, he and his company were great inventors
I think that this is probably the truth of it. Edison's "genius" was that he assembled a team of engineers and scientists to create the first company which relied on innovation. I doubt we will ever really know exactly how much Edison himself actually contributed to the inventions his company created but I suspect that it is probably quite a bit less than we think.

Re:Why Edison is a household name and Tesla is a b by slackerfilm · 2014-10-13 00:26 · Score: 2

Ridiculous - by the middle of his career, Tesla was a huge showman. By the end of his career that's all he was. He hanged out with celbrities and gave light shows demonstrating electrical effects just because they looked cool. He made grandiose claims like death-rays, without any actual invention or theory to back them up.

Even Tesla needed to eat.

The parlor demonstrations Tesla would perform were to fund his theoretical research. Consequently, that research demanded customized machinery and someplace to house the experiments.

If he had focused on commercial products or had any kind of business savvy(as Edison had) he would not have had to be quite the showman.

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Recommended Book by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 02:05 · Score: 0

Nikola Tesla: lectures, patents, articles. [Selected and prepared by Vojin Popovi, Radoslav Horvat, and Nikola Nikoli]
Nikola Tesla 1856-1943.
Beograd, Nikola Tesla Museum 1956

You may need to go to a university library, but this is a must for a Teslaphile. Most of it is highly technical, but it includes parts written in Nikola's own words that offer insight in many of his insights and opinions about many diverse contemporary and visionary subjects. It is remarkable to read, for instance, how he tries to interpret the strife of our world into formulae ... substituting political strife for friction, etc.

If you want to know Tesla's place in science by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-13 02:32 · Score: 0

If you want to know what Tesla's place is in the history of science (specifically the development of electricity), it's best to read up on other scientists who contributed to that field. Tesla was more an engineer/inventor than a scientist. There is no 'Tesla theory of electricity', but there are Maxwell's equations and there is Faraday's law (both of whom unsurprisingly predate Tesla).

"Why is Thomas Edison so well known and covered in education/popular culture, and the equally prolific and ingenious Tesla a "mysterious and ghostly figure" by comparison?"

I actually hear more about Tesla than about Edison, and it looks like Tesla being positioned as a mysterious figure contributes to his fame.

I can not help but notice the OP is more a promotion of Tesla than it is a question.

Why Edison is a household name and Tesla is a band by Anonymous Coward · 2014-10-16 11:12 · Score: 0

Check again closely and you may find that Edison did NOT really invent those things, he just paid the guys that did. His name went on the patent because he paid them a pay check and they signed an agreement. DOn't give Edison the credit for those things, he bought those patents from the real inventors. Check up on it....

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