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Firefox 33 Arrives With OpenH264 Support

An anonymous reader writes: Mozilla today officially launched Firefox 33 for Windows, Mac, Linux, and Android. Additions include OpenH264 support as well as the ability to send video content from webpages to a second screen. Firefox 33 for the desktop is available for download now on Firefox.com, and all existing users should be able to upgrade to it automatically. As always, the Android version is trickling out slowly on Google Play. Full changelogs are available here: desktop and Android."

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  1. Re:More bloat, less marketshare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually, since it traces back to Netscape, its becoming one with its origins.

  2. Caveat, baseline and high profiles only? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Note: Firefox currently uses OpenH264 only for WebRTC and not for the <video> tag, because OpenH264 does not yet support the high profile format frequently used for streaming video. We will reconsider this once support has been added.

  3. Just upgraded, lost cookies by trawg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just upgraded then with that grim sense of foreboding that I now get with Firefox upgrades ("what's going to stop working this time? how is the UI I've been using for many years changed now?")

    I lost all my cookies - upon reload after the upgrade, I noticed I was logged out of a bunch of websites (including anything using Google Accounts and Slashdot). YMMV.

    1. Re:Just upgraded, lost cookies by narcc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      YMMV

      My certainly did. It restarted and reloaded my tabs, including this one, without a hitch.

      that grim sense of foreboding that I now get with Firefox upgrades ("what's going to stop working this time? how is the UI I've been using for many years changed now?")

      Just curious, what has been breaking for you? What UI features have changed in some significant way since Australis? I only ask because I switched back to Firefox from Chrome when Australis hit and have seen nothing but positive improvements with each release.

    2. Re:Just upgraded, lost cookies by trawg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just curious, what has been breaking for you? What UI features have changed in some significant way since Australis?

      SINCE Australis? Nothing major. In a recent version they changed the right click context menu to include icons for reload/back/forward, which irritated me - change for the sake of change. (Also the keyboard shortcut for Private Browsing no longer works - might be a plugin? Not sure.)

      Things like that seem little but when you've been using Firefox for years - which I have, every day, for work - little changes like that mean the platform loses a lot of stability, which is one of the things that is most important when you're trying to get things done.

      I'm not at all opposed to new features. I don't even care about feature bloat that much. But they should be opt-in. And at the very least, you should be able to opt-out without having to install some third party plugin. Having a new UI/UX forced on me just feels ... rude.

      Australis prompted me to install Classic Theme Restorer so I could restore the browser to the way I'd been using it for /years/. (Here's my +5 post about why I disliked Australis.) Enough has been written about Australis so I won't whine about that any more.

    3. Re:Just upgraded, lost cookies by MMC+Monster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I just like applications to go along with the UI guidelines set by the OS. Chrome breaks that, and so does the new Firefox UI.

      Simple things:
      1 - Menu items visible right under the title bar
      2 - A title bar that can be double-clicked to maximize or restore the screen
      3 - Minimize/Maximize/Restore buttons where the OS says they should be. (Chrome hard-codes them to the right side of the top of the window.)
      4 - If you allow customization of the top of the screen, as Firefox does, why can't I hide the Open Menu widget when I'm showing the menu items otherwise?

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    4. Re:Just upgraded, lost cookies by caseih · · Score: 2

      MS Windows is still the dominant platform, and it doesn't seem to have any guidelines or standard widgets anymore. Every app seems to use s different set of widgets and owner-drawn window decorations are a plague in certain spaces like anti-malware and anti-virus. MS themselves started this trend by using a different set of widgets with every release of MS Office. I just laugh when people talk about Linux apps being all different and not fitting into together. Windows is at least as bad these days, if not worse. And yes Chrome has made the problem even worse, and now Firefox.

      If I could use classic theme restorer plus the GTK theme addon for Firefox I'd be a happy camper. As it is I'm stuck on ESR 24 for the time being.

  4. Re:More bloat, less marketshare by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    ...Firefox still feels less bloated than Chrome...

    I was comparing to the time before the recent development fiascos (new UI, etc.). Firefox just seems to be getting larger and larger and larger.

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    It appears the Firefox developers are looking to please themselves, and not the users, because the Firefox marketshare is dropping in spite of all the additional bloat being added.

  5. Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    At least for as long as Cisco is willing to pay maximum royalties to MPEGLA, and as long as you are willing to pay royalties to MPEGLA, and you bought properly licensed h.264 encoders, and you made sure not to shoot commercial video on consumer grade cameras (which don't come with commercial MPEGLA licenses), etc...

    The weakest link is Cisco - MPEGLA is most certainly going to look towards raising that h.264 cap in the coming years, and the only reason why Firefox can support h.264 is because it's Cisco's binaries. I'm assuming you remembered to get your MPEGLA royalties in order, or at the very least you are distributing non-commercial video and are hoping that MPEGLA continues their moratorium on royalties for non-commercial internet video.

    Or you can just use WebM, and not pay anyone. But then you don't play on IE or Safari, because Apple and Microsoft have been ardently against royalty-free video formats for various reasons. (Microsoft because they think MPEGLA is indestructible; Apple because they don't want to put hardware WebM decoders on their phones)

  6. Re:More bloat, less marketshare by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Chrome gains market share the same way IE had. It is default on the fafillion android devices out there, even if that device can't handle it.

    Breaking everything out into a plugin because the system only allows SO much and native code is rarely an option due to the plethora of exotic hardware firefox runs on. Do you want to decode advanced compressed video or decrypt cpu intensive encryption in a lowest-common-demoninator interpreted language on an ARM device with 256 MB of ram that runs like a 486? I don't.

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  7. Re:More bloat, less marketshare by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Funny

    All versions of Netscape had a menu bar. Firefox long since passed Netscape's degree of awfulness.

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  8. Re:No way will I support Firefox ever again by jopsen · · Score: 2

    After what the Firefox board....

    Where to start, where to start... First off there is no firefox board. Mozilla Corporation has a board, as does Mozilla Foundation.
    Having followed this, rather closely, I can assure you that Brendan made the decision to resign, the message was delivered by internal email.
    Later in an internal meeting the board explained that they had strongly recommended and hoped that Brendan would ride out the storm.

    Any allegations that the board force Brendan to resign is pure fiction. Sure, I can promise you that there wasn't an elaborate conspiracy to lie to all employees and community members, but if there was Brendan was in on that "conspiracy" :)
    The truth is that given the storm and the level and amount of personal attacks, I understand how someone does not wish to ride it out.

    All being said and done, let's move a long... Mozilla is not a political organization. It about building a better free and open web.

  9. Two Browsers, Two Goals. by enter+to+exit · · Score: 2

    Chrome is a good competitor to Firefox, it might be winning on various fronts at the moment but it's still a browser owned and controlled by a corporation with only profits in mind. Google made chrome to make it easier for them to track you and push their services on you.

    Every time I've used Chrome, it's constantly nagged me to sign in to Google services, asks to change what mailto: does and in recent versions (on Windows) they've included a notification icon that ties in with Google Now. I feel Chrome gets a free pass on a lot of this stuff because it's considered fast. A lot of that perception is in UI responsiveness as the millisecond rendering differences are practically indistinguishable. Firefox should really consider moving away from XUL.

    Firefox is a run by Mozilla (an NFP) who can only justify it's existence by making a good browser. Firefox needs to improve on a few fronts, but it's still a browser for the people. The only incentive they have is survival (which mean people using Firefox). The Mozilla Foundation has clearly become overly bureaucratic and focused on the survival of it's own bureaucracy to the detriment of their software. It needs a good shakedown. There are too many people looking for things to do - go to mozilla.org and check out the half-dead list of projects and 1000+ employees.

  10. Re:No way will I support Firefox ever again by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Just answer me one thing: are you religious?

    Not at all, and I FULLY support gay marriage (as in I have been a part in a ceremony of a gay friend to his partner). I just don't support witch-hunts in any form.

    The fact you want be to qualify that is pathetic.

    Even if I WERE, why would you bring that up - it just proves my point on the dangers of intolerance. You have chosen to demonize an entire group of people simply because of how they want to live, which makes you no better than any religious evangelist preaching against gay marriage that ever lived. You just have a different religion, a different reason to hate...

    How about trying NO HATE? You ever think about that?

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  11. Re:No way will I support Firefox ever again by lgw · · Score: 2

    Because Netflix is something like 1/3rd of internet traffic. If you haven't worked on a standards committee this might not be obvious, but the point of a standard is to document what the big players are doing, so that the little guys can interoperate. It's a descriptive, not proscriptive, process. A standard that the major players don't actually follow is worthless, and a failure of the committee.

    It's simple not the role or purpose of a standards committee to spout stuff like "we won't standardize X because we feel that X is bad". Heck, the ISO rules probably prohibit that sort of thing.

    But HTML5 will in no way create more DRM than there would otherwise have been - all it does is recognize that that this is a common thing done over the web, and provide a standard way of doing it, albeit as a sort of plug-in architecture. Moving the DRM out of a large, exploitable general-purpose framework like Flash or Silverlight, and into a well-defined (and contained) DRM module is a solid win.

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  12. Why all the hate? by pandronic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every time there's a new Firefox release, I sit back and watch a very vocal group spewing the same old tired rants and lies:

    1. Firefox is released too often. Why would you want to wait a year or more between releases as it was the case in the 3.x days? It's better to have features released as they are ready and improved upon and not wait years to release them at once and have most of them not work properly. Why does it matter if it's Firefox 33, or firefox 4.33 or Firefox 2014-10?
    2. The UI is a copy of Chrome's. There are not many ways you could do a minimalist browser interface. If you don't know shit about design, don't talk about design. Shit, probably these people think that design is some useless, time wasting activity that hipsters do and then jerk off to it. Why would you want to see more of the UI when you could see more of the content. Also there are multiple ways to customize Firefox and make it look as bad or as complicated you wish. You can even make it look like your grandma's browser for 1999.
    3. Firefox uses a lot of memory and has memory leaks. Firefox is the most frugal browser when it comes to memory and doesn't have more memory leaks than other browsers. It fact it's the best browser to use if you use lots of tabs. Sure, maybe you can find a corner case or some extension that sucks memory, but I bet you can find that in any browser or application of the same complexity. I have Firefox installed on a lot of 512mb,1gb,2gb and 4gb machines and it works just fine.
    4. Firefox is unstable. It might be unstable if you use shitty extensions. Just stop using shitty extensions that crash your browser. You wouldn't use apps that crash your OS, would you?
    5. Firefox is going extinct. No it is not, even by a long shot. It still has 500mil users. People are still using it because it's a good product, not because it's pushed down their throat by every means possible as is the case with Chrome or was the case with Internet Explorer back in the 90s. (Not saying Chrome is a bad browser, just that the difference in market share is because of marketing not because of quality).
    6. Firefox is breaking addons with every upgrade. This probably hasn't happened in years and years and even if it did it's understandable and forgivable when an addon hasn't been updated in years and uses antiquated APIs that are incompatible with the speed and security we've come to expect from modern browsers. I'm not running DOS apps on the latest version of Windows, why would you want to run old, slow and unsecure addons?

    Besides that let me tell you some of the positive things that none of you assholes mention, because you like to talk out of your ass without even using the damn browser - it has the best looking and most intuitive developer tools out of any browser, a fast and feature complete Android browser with extensions, the best extensions out there out of any desktop browser, they offer an awesome email client and let's not forget that Mozilla is one of the best and most trustworthy organizations out there.