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Lockheed Claims Breakthrough On Fusion Energy Project

Lockheed Martin claims it has made a significant breakthrough in the creation of nuclear fusion reactors. The company says it has proved the feasibility of building a 100MW reactor measuring only 7 feet by 10 feet. They say the design can be built and tested within a year, and they expect an operational reactor within a decade. The project is coming out of stealth mode now to seek partners within academia, government, and industry. "Lockheed sees the project as part of a comprehensive approach to solving global energy and climate change problems. Compact nuclear fusion would also produce far less waste than coal-powered plants, and future reactors could eliminate radioactive waste completely, the company said."

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  1. Of course! by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    The company says it has proved the feasibility of building a 100MW reactor measuring only 7 feet by 10 feet.

    That's why it never worked before! Nobody thought about building a two-dimensional reactor!

    1. Re:Of course! by rwv · · Score: 5, Funny

      What the article fails to mention is that the new reactor has to be 800 feet tall or buried 400 feet in the ground. Or 400 feet tall and 200 feet buried. It's pretty complicated figuring out the math here.

    2. Re:Of course! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It is a design on paper only. Of course it is two-dimensional right now.

    3. Re:Of course! by Hadlock · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nuclear reactors aren't a whole lot larger, they managed to make them small enough to fit on a space rocket, a submarine and back in the 1960's, nine of them on an Aircraft Carrier. It's the support systems (like cooling) and maintenance buildings that end up taking up several acres. Dissipating the waste heat of a 20MW reactor safely, indefinitely, is no small feat.

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    4. Re:Of course! by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not exactly. Its section is 7 feet by 10 feet. To achieve 100MW the length must be infinite. Any reduction in length implies a proportional reduction in power.

    5. Re:Of course! by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Everybody is joking, but this news update on fusion energy coming from an established, well known corporation is pretty serious. Isn't this the first time a respected company is claiming a breakthrough, a working prototype of fusion energy?
      Do you realize what implications this has, if it is really fusion energy as they claim? It's a world changer.
      I got goose bumps just from reading "Lokheed, breakthrough, fusion energy"....

    6. Re:Of course! by bkr1_2k · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is no working prototype. This is a theoretical break through. They haven't proven anything yet.

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    7. Re:Of course! by painandgreed · · Score: 4, Funny

      "they expect an operational reactor within a decade" - by that time solar will be infinitely efficiency and this will obsolete.

      Yay! Fusion power has moved to just being ten years away instead of the twenty years it has been for the last fifty.

    8. Re:Of course! by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 4, Informative

      As the person that wrote most of the article you're linking to: no. NERVA was a relatively linear upgrade to the H-2 in performance terms, and there were H-2 upgrades that would have closed the gap to a degree (H-2T for instance).

      There *are* nuclear engine designs that are much more efficient than this, like the gas-core design. They would have definitely make Mars a reasonable shot, but they are inherently "leaky" and suitable only for use in space. That's fine, but it pre-supposes you have the infrastructure to get them up there, and we didn't.

      Finally, Congress wasn't shutting down NERVA, they were shutting down Mars. They repeatedly told NASA that they would not receive funding for a Mars shot from the late 1960s right through to the 1990s, but the NASA folks just kept pushing here and there trying to sneak it in.

  2. wow by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Never thought I'd read this...
    We just might survive this century after all.

    1. Re:wow by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's the Wikipedia article on his project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...
      Here's some research he was involved in at MIT that he was involved in at some unknown date: http://ssl.mit.edu/research/Fu...
      Here's a video of one of the researchers talking about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    2. Re:wow by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Further reading: http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the...

      Based on this, 1 gram of Deuterium produces 320 megawatts of power.
      The average American would consume the amount of deuterium found in 60kg of ordinary water per year to produce the energy they need in a year. There's enough Deuterium in our oceans to produce free power until long after the sun dies.

    3. Re:wow by tomhath · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah. Just build some really big air conditioners and put them outside. That'll work.

    4. Re:wow by Crispy+Critters · · Score: 4, Informative
      >I'm baffled why it isn't crazy radioactive.

      It is! Nontechnical discussions aren't very good at differentiating between three somewhat different areas of concern. First, neutrons and gammas produced by the reaction need to be shielded but go away when you turn the reaction off. Second, short-lived activation in which materials are radioactive, but with a half-life of years or less that becomes safe in a reasonable time. Fusion reactors have both of these, but they are manageable. Third, fission leaves behind nuclear waste materials with a half-life in tens of thousands of years--this is nasty stuff and is around basically forever. Fusion produces no long-lived waste (there is probably some component of some alloy that will prove to make tiny amounts of bad waste, but nothing significant compared to fuel rods from fission reactors).

    5. Re:wow by radtea · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Third, fission leaves behind nuclear waste materials with a half-life in tens of thousands of years--this is nasty stuff and is around basically forever. Fusion produces no long-lived waste (there is probably some component of some alloy that will prove to make tiny amounts of bad waste, but nothing significant compared to fuel rods from fission reactors).

      The critical thing to understanding this is that fission reactors are (necessarily) full of heavy elements, which is where the long-lived stuff comes from. Fusion reactors are full of light elements.

      There are very fundamental physical reasons why radioactive light elements almost always have much shorter lifetimes than radioactive heavy elements. If you've only got a few nucleons to play with, turning a proton into a neutron is a major change in configuration, so the energy gap between the radioactive isotope and the adjacent stable isotope is large, and in general the lifetime against beta decay scales inversely with the fifth power of the endpoint energy. In heavy elements, which have so many nucleons they can be adequately modelled as liquid drops in some cases, changing one neutron to a proton doesn't change the configuration very much so the energy difference is small and the lifetime can be very large. Unfortunately, although the energy of the beta particle emitted is small, the energies of the other particles in the decay chain (gammas and more betas in most cases) can be pretty much anything.

      So: heavy elements (fission) bad; light elements (fusion) good. Fusion reactors are designed with this in mind. They will produce a lot of nasty stuff, but almost all of it will decay rapidly, so given that the engineering issues of fission waste are pretty much under control (the political issues are not) we can be confident that fusion power will be OK in that regard.

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  3. credibility of article is doubtful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "U.S. submarines and aircraft carriers run on nuclear power, but they have large fusion reactors on board that have to be replaced on a regular cycle."

    yeah, no

    1. Re:credibility of article is doubtful by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's just bad journalism. The actual press release doesn't make this claim.

    2. Re:credibility of article is doubtful by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is amazing that reporters seem to lack even an 8th grade level of science education.
      They did change the fusion reactor to fission but.
      It now reads
      "U.S. submarines and aircraft carriers run on nuclear power, but they have large fission reactors on board that have to be replaced on a regular cycle."
      The reactors last the life of the ship. It is only the fuel that gets changed they they are aiming for that to be the life of the ship as well. It is at least 20 years today.
      And this part.
      "Ultra-dense deuterium, an isotope of hydrogen, is found in the earth's oceans, and tritium is made from natural lithium deposits."
      Wow.... ultra-dense......
      Good grief.
      Well the reporting is crap but lets hope Lockheed really has what it says it has.

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  4. journalizm is dead by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Funny

    U.S. submarines and aircraft carriers run on nuclear power, but they have large fusion reactors on board that have to be replaced on a regular cycle.

    OMGWTFROFLOLBBQ! Reuters doesn't have a science correspondent. I didn't know they were headquartered in Texas.

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  5. Not what they said by Punko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the Lockheed Martin site : “The smaller size will allow us to design, build and test the CFR in less than a year.

    After completing several of these design-build-test cycles, the team anticipates being able to produce a prototype in five years."

    They ain't got nothin' yet.

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  6. Not New information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Revealed work in 2013

    http://www.dvice.com/2013-2-22/lockheeds-skunk-works-promises-fusion-power-four-years

  7. Two global problems solved in my lifetime! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Funny

    With this and the new ebola infections coming out, it looks like we're on the verge of solving both the energy crisis and overpopulation

    I never thought I'd see so much progress in my lifetime. We live in the future!(*)

    (*) ...of a Stephen King novel, apparently.

  8. Some tech info for those interested: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    If this really works...really cool things could be just around the corner.

    From WIKI:

    The high beta fusion reactor (also known as the 4th generation prototype T4) is a project being developed by a team led by Charles Chase of Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works. The "high beta" configuration allows a compact fusion reactor design and speedier development timeline (5 years instead of 30). It was presented at the Google Solve for X forum on February 7, 2013.[1]

    "The device is 2x2x4 meters in size. It is cylindrical shaped. It has a vacuum inside with high magnetic fields, made using electromagnets. Uncharged deuterium gas is injected. It is heated using radio waves, in much the same way a microwave heats food. When the gas temperature reaches over 16 electron-volts, the gas ionizes into ions and electrons. This plasma exerts a pressure on the surrounding magnetic fields. This plasma pressure is counterbalanced by the magnetic field pressure in a beta ratio:

    \beta = \frac{p}{p_{mag}} = \frac{n k_B T}{(B^2/2\mu_0)} [2]

    The plan is to reach a high-beta ratio. Plans call for a compact 100 MW machine. The company hopes to have a prototype working by 2017, scale it up to a full production model by 2022 and to be able to meet global baseload energy demand by 2050. Here are some other characteristics of this machine:

    The magnetic field increases the farther out that the plasma goes, which pushes the plasma back in.
    It also has very few open field lines (very few paths for the plasma to leak out; uses a cylinder, not a Tokamak ring).
    Very good arch curvature of the field lines.
    The system has a beta of about 1.[3]
    This system uses deuterium.[3]
    The system heats the plasma using radio waves.[3]
    The machine was designed by Dr. Thomas McGuire[3] who did his PhD thesis[4][5] on fusors at MIT. Chase said that “the fuel (two isotopes of hydrogen) has six orders [1.000.000] of magnitude higher energy density than oil. You can’t make a bomb from it, and it has no meltdown risk. It’s very different from nuclear fission reactors.”

  9. A better link for the story by AbrasiveCat · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think this AvWeek story http://aviationweek.com/techno... is a better description, but then Aviation Week has more technical writers..

  10. Re:Amazing if it works by catchblue22 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But plenty of fusion reactor designs have worked in theory; making them work in practice, though...

    Yes, but this is Lockheed Martin. And we live in the age of computer aided design, where we can simulate much of an object before building this. In addition, I'm fairly sure that they have built smaller versions of this as proofs of concept. And now they have Thomas McGuire making the announcements, who is the lead scientist on the project, instead of the project manager doing presentations. He wrote his PhD thesis at MIT on fusors.

    I am inclined to believe that this is the real thing. My main question is this: They use radio frequency radiation to heat the plasma; how have they overcome the rf shielding effect caused by hot plasma?

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  11. Re:Sounded real promising right up to.... by catchblue22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds real promising right up to "operational within a decade" that's code for we have an idea that on paper sounds like it might possibly work. Please give us lots of money.

    Oh puleeaze. This is Skunkworks. Thomas McGuire did his PhD thesis on fusors at MIT. This isn't just some investment scam. Do some research.

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  12. Re:Other things they said couldn't be done... by Required+Snark · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You're observation about Slashdot is correct. The attitude of a large fraction of posts is, for want of a better word, stupid.

    Teh Stupid is characterized by mindless criticism, nitpicking, absolutist rhetoric, and willful negation of facts. All of which are on display in the response to this thread.

    The aspect I find most disturbing is a clear anti-intellectualism. Comments are not based in fact or logic, but self centered illogic: if I say something is right/wrong, that all I have to say.

    As for the "agenda driven posters", I think the agenda is egomania. That would explain the obsessive negative attitudes. Being relentlessly negative is a way of asserting yourself if you don't have anything else to say.

    Is this getting worse? I'm not sure. I think I see more of it, but don't know if that is because I am more aware of it, rather then an real increase.

    At any rate, when I become annoyed enough, I respond with evidence oriented responses. I find references to uphold my position, and include quotes and links. Now someone may disagree with me, but at least I am not making assertions based solely on my individual position. I am generally disappointed because very few people respond with their own external references.

    In this case I don't feel the need quote very many examples, because the behavior in this thread is rather self evident.

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  13. Re:Also if accurate its a big slap in the face by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To everyone who was saying we had to invest more in ITER, or that if we had of been increasing our funding of Tokomak related work was anything but a big science pork barrel.

    A lot of this groups work was based on what was learned at ITER. They actively talk about ITER quite a bit in a lot of their talks.
    I don't think anyone thought ITER was anything more than a research project. It did exactly what it was supposed to do and spurred innovation.