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Commerce Secretary: US Wants Multi-Stakeholder Process To Preserve Internet

Ted_Margaris_Chicago writes The United States will resist all efforts to give "any person, entity or nation" control of the Internet rather than the "global multi-stakeholder communities," said Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker in a Oct. 13 speech. "Next week, at the International Telecommunication Union Conference in Korea, we will see proposals to put governments in charge of Internet governance. You can rest assured that the United States will oppose these efforts at every turn," she said in prepared remarks to an Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN, meeting in Los Angeles.

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  1. Don't like it? by geekoid · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Build you're own internet.

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    1. Re:Don't like it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /.

      Yep, explains you pretty well. We appreciate that you provide a warning label for yourself.

    2. Re:Don't like it? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is, they're likely to. If not now, than at some point in the future. There is a great value to a single unified environment.

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    3. Re:Don't like it? by ihtoit · · Score: 3, Funny

      Build you're own internet.

      Fine! I will! With blackjack, and hookers!

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    4. Re:Don't like it? by bosef1 · · Score: 2

      So business as usual, then?

    5. Re:Don't like it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is a great value to a single unified environment.

      Minus those few theocracies, kleptocracies and autocracies that self-inflict there own isolation we already have a single unified environment. How will handing governance over to the Star Wars cantina at the UN — or whatever — improve things?

    6. Re:Don't like it? by billyoc903 · · Score: 1

      And fire trucks!

    7. Re:Don't like it? by antdude · · Score: 2

      Build you are own Internet? :P

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    8. Re:Don't like it? by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and why would you want a single unified environment? It's not likely to coincide with your values or expectations. It's likely to be oppressive in order to reach 'compromise' once all the limits imposed by each nation are imposed.

      The borders keep the peace because we are not monocultures.

    9. Re:Don't like it? by tqk · · Score: 0

      If not now, than at some point in the future.

      This is different from that. Then is a time different now. This is less than you should, or likely would, need to care about.

      There is a great value to a single unified environment.

      There may be great value in single unified environments. There are great hazards inherent in monoculture environments.

      Some of us care that what we use to communicate ideas is a precision tool which should not be WHACK! WHACK! WHACKed out blindly like you do.

      I'd care a lot more about what you write if you'd care more about making me want to read it.

      One is less than two. Then is older than now.

      Regards, one of the local "Grammar Nazis" who'll hound you to your grave (while you might insist this is mere minutiae).

      It makes my eyes bleed!

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    10. Re:Don't like it? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Build you're own internet.

      Just like you programmed your own grammar checker? ;-)

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    11. Re:Don't like it? by pupsocket · · Score: 2

      Build you're own internet.

      Now we're talking stakeholders.

      Build your own Internet. This one's already been claimed by stakeholders. Isn't that what they called in the Gold Rush -- staking a claim?

      Gather a big financial package and give stuff away to change the direction of traffic in your favor. Don't appear to be evil, but only long enough to command big fees for wasting attention and hijacking browsers.

      It is odd that Secretary Pritzger struts with the Internet overseas at a time when stateside the Federal Communications Commission has so much contempt for humans that it is considering allowing service providers to demand payment from content providers.

      The international Telecommunications Union, the audience for this grandstanding, is like the FCC, in that it governs the used of electromagnetic spectrum, but in its case for purposes that exceed the sovereignty of any individual nation.

      We don't have a Department of Individual Rights in the United States, but by gum we have a Secretary of Commerce.

      So from the looks of it, Secretary Pritzger is just greasing the rest of world so those stakeholders can do whatever they plan to do with their stakes.

    12. Re:Don't like it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we did. the rest of the world is trying to take it away from us.

  2. Nice preaching there by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see how the practice turns out. Part of a "free, open" internet is making sure that no one can monopolize the pipe. Government isn't the only evil here. There is plenty of private interest in balkanization. In fact most government regulation is for their benefit.

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    1. Re:Nice preaching there by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      There is plenty of private interest in balkanization.

      OTOH, it still holds true that all problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection.

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  3. Amazing that they think it's theirs to give away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... or keep. The internet is a network of networks. Any country only controls the parts on its own soil.

  4. We are fsk'd by Bodhammer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    With this administration - " the United States will oppose these efforts at every turn" , means just the opposite and we are totally fucked...

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    1. Re:We are fsk'd by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Considering W made it a point to keep ICANN's governance under the commerce department (censorship by which is banned by the US constitution) and Obama gave it away in a grand gesture of appeasement, you're pretty spot on.

    2. Re:We are fsk'd by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      But W also used the influence the commerce department has to block the .xxx domain name for political reasons, because the social conservatives were afraid it would legitimise pornography and make it more difficult to ban. .xxx is still a stupid idea, but not for that reason.

    3. Re:We are fsk'd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      W tried to keep it as a single gov, which is the WORST situation.
      And how did O give it away? He has backed the multistake ownership. In fact, it was because O pushed for TRUE icann control of the net, that will lead to the net surviving not just China, Russia, and other nations censorships and all nation's spying, but will prevent the BS from future dictators like W was.

    4. Re:We are fsk'd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep lapping that Obama cum - slurp it up!

    5. Re:We are fsk'd by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      Difference being that stuff like that can and does change with administrations, but more importantly, is fairly transparent. It's not like you come in to work one morning to your job at wecriticizegovernmentalstupidityforaliving.com and ...what office? what website? It's always been a shuttered building. What boss? What lead reporter? Oh you must be talking about prisoner 24601.

    6. Re:We are fsk'd by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It changes both ways, and that's just the bit we are aware of. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes. Remember ACTA? Negotiated in secret - the public only became aware of it via leaked documents, and this was a legal agreement with potentially more of an effect than an act of congress. Now TRIPS is being negotiated in exactly the same manner. The idea of conspiracies of politicians secretly running the country may sound like the stuff of conspiracy theories, but every now and then it's exactly what happens.

    7. Re:We are fsk'd by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      Nowhere in the constitution does it say that treaties can override rights. It's a court challenge waiting to happen. Also, treaties generally aren't voted on in secret, even if they're negotiated that way. In fact, I don't believe congress can legally vote in secret on anything. They can have classified meetings, but they can't pass secret laws.

    8. Re:We are fsk'd by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The vote may be public - but it's also potentially quick. There's an easy political trick that can be used with treaties or laws alike: Speed. Write in secret, negotiate in secret, then rush through the vote as fast as you can. The PATRIOT act, for example, was introduced on October 23 - and passed by the house on the 24th. If the trick is executed properly, any opposition groups just don't have time to rally. By the time they are aware of what's going on, it's already too late.

      Also, under the Supremacy Clause, treaties are given a legal weight equal to that of the constitution. It doesn't address what to do in the event of a conflict.

  5. Bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    The US are actively preventing a free and open internet in the name of copyright, and of spying on everyone else on the fucking planet.

    Fuck you America, you're so full of shit it isn't funny.

    The land of the closely-monitored, and the home of the scared.

    Hypocritical douchebag of a country if there ever was.

    1. Re:Bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, the US grants much more latitude towards service providers online, in regards to copyright law, than other countries. Compare it to, say, much of non-Anglophonic Europe, which wants Google to be paying royalties for search indexing and news aggregation. Also, the US has the nice law where service providers get off scot free for making what basically amounts to copyright infringement tools, so long as they respond to takedown requests and don't infringe themselves.

      Spying is actually impaired by a balkanized Internet. Much of the targets the NSA is actually interested in are foreign - and they benefit politically from the fact that much international traffic goes through US soil. If other countries were to require balkanization - that is, storage of their citizens' data on their soil, and bans on routing data through third-party countries - then the NSA would have to actually ask permission from those countries in order to spy, or engage in actual espionage (e.g. break into data centers). This increases the costs of spying, and the whole point of NSA data grabbing is to make it as quick, painless, and cheap as humanly possible.

    2. Re:Bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, well if you hail from western europe, your democracies aren't in much better shape. Your taxes are high, your governments impose themselves make mountains out of mole hills on social issues, and your elections are probably rigged, too, after all, your governments kowtow to the US way too much. Keep voting left and see what happens. The UN is the next soviet union.

    3. Re:Bullshit ... by tqk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup, well if you hail from western europe, your democracies aren't in much better shape....

      Their democracies just had huge demonstrations in numerous countries protesting your USTR's TTIP efforts.

      Your taxes are high.

      You don't think your taxes are too high?

      ... your governments impose themselves make mountains out of mole hills on social issues ...

      Do you even bother to think before spouting such nonsense? Have you bothered to read a newspaper recently? I think not. Abortion, gay rights, free speech, your Constitution is used like toilet paper, your military is now in its seventh war in the Middle East, Israel can do no wrong, you can't decide whether to take out Syria's Assad, make Iran glow in the dark, ally yourselves with Turkey, wonder wtf you're doing supporting the Saudis, yada, yada, yada, ... Note that's just one side of the world. Add Pakistan, Afghanistan, Philipines, ...

      ... and your elections are probably rigged, too

      Hey Zeus! Ibid. Hanging chads ring any bells? Your elections have been gerrymandered for decades, your Demopublicans/Republicrats have been selling you all down the river for just as long. You haven't even begun to try to figure out what to do with your former slave population. How do you get Palin, Hillary, Romney, and Obama as your choices and that's it? Add in Snowden's revelations, Obama's persecution of whistleblowers, Holder's pathetic *everything*, the Megaupload clown prosecution, Gitmo, ...

      Perhaps ebola will save us from all of you.

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      "Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit ..." -- Pink Floyd.
  6. not true until officially denied by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    so far, just smoke with a cracked mirror

  7. Consider your stakeholders by grilled-cheese · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So how many of these countries have already sharded the internet behind their government firewalls, i.e. China/Russia? And we believe that all other governments are less corrupt and self serving than the US? I'm not a fan of the US Panopticon and stranglehold on critical infrastructure, but honestly, it's worked for several decades now why break it up? At least the US influence that conforms with the military influence we already have. It would be great if a multinational panacea existed to control it, but the closest thing we have to that today is the UN. It doesn't have a strong track record for being the most effective governing body out there. Corruption and government go hand-in-hand; one feeds the other.

    1. Re:Consider your stakeholders by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      what makes you think the US hasn't done it too?

      perhaps someone out there can technically prove to me that absolutely no foreign IPs are blocked by our US government, but aside from that, I am inclined to believe that mucky-mucks in the current (and past) administration actively block certain content.

      and yes, my tin-foil hat is firmly in place.

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    2. Re: Consider your stakeholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      We'll, actually, you can demonstrate that the US isn't blocking anything that is accessible in another country. Start doing a US and non us connection attempts and see how it turns out.

  8. An extensive selection of rocks and hard places by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Continued United States government control
    over the Internet is the worst possible scenario,
    EXCEPT FOR ALL THE OTHERS.

    (Apologies to Winston Churchill)

    1. Re:An extensive selection of rocks and hard places by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Switzerland would actually be a decent place for that, as neutrality is their primary export.

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  9. derp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Commerce Secretary : I don't know what I'm doing.

  10. Re:Woosh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freedom to monitor the masses is the most important freedom.

  11. Danger Will Robinson by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a bad idea because the stakeholders have the monetary wealth to exert influence over the internet and thus causing even more problems. It must remain regulated by a neutral, objective third party that cannot be co-opted by money, power, or influence - or, at least, not any more than it already has.

    1. Re:Danger Will Robinson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who do you recommend that is more neutral than ICANN?

    2. Re:Danger Will Robinson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, well.
      Now all we need is to find a
      1) Neutral
      2) Objective
      3) Third party
      that
      4) Cannot be influenced by
          a) money or
          b) power

      Come to think of it, we could use such persons in government in general. And to solve disputes around the world.

      I wonder what we did with all the neutral, objective third parties.
      I'm sure I saw one just a moment ago.
      *looks in drawer*

  12. Re:Amazing that they think it's theirs to give awa by gl4ss · · Score: 0

    well, not quite. any country can to a point control how other parts seem when viewed from their land.

    however, it seems that US supporting multi stake is more like US opposing a new more level multi stake arrangement through some other entitity(un is a multi stake entity for example). US would rather that all the stakes are US stakes..

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  13. LIARS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US wants complete control of the Interwebs. Period.

  14. others by Tom · · Score: 1, Troll

    The United States will resist all efforts to give "any person, entity or nation"

    other than the US, that is. Because we think our laws are applicable world-wide, our jurisdiction covers Earth and we invented the damn thing (ignore that this is only partially true) so get on your knees and thank us.

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    1. Re:others by Max_W · · Score: 0

      You are right. But there is also a good reason in the Commerce Secretary's position.

  15. Yeah it worked sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the take down on domain level, to the global spying it surely worked. For the USA that it is it worked fine. Not that much for other countries.

  16. Except... by johanw · · Score: 1

    "The United States will resist all efforts to give "any person, entity or nation" control of the Internet"

    Unless the Holy Copyright or Holy Patents are at stake of course. Then the US will (ab)use all its power to force their wiew down everyone's throat.

  17. Here comes more sensorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't surprise me if the so called "global multi-stakeholder communities" becomes the means to introduce all kinds of sensorships on human expression.

    A similar thing like sensorship is apparently already in place with online newspapers, who can, will and have deleted comments on their website without justification or any explanation.

    1. Re:Here comes more sensorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I meant censorship, not sensorship. My bad.

  18. Take it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about us individuals take it away from government.

  19. Re:Solution to this problem: by gmhowell · · Score: 1

    The US has its own internet. It's called: The Internet.

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  20. We are one people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US obviously can't do it without abusing the power / slurping anyone and everyone's data because "national security". I welcome cooperation among nations over isolation. We are one race - time to start acting like it.

  21. Re:Amazing that they think it's theirs to give awa by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    It seems like most of the time news stories talk about "control over The Internet," they're talking about one of three things:
    1) Control over DNS, specifically who gets .com and other tlds.
    2) The ability to knock a site they don't like offline so no one can use it.
    3) Strong surveillance over all traffic that (usually) crosses their borders or is entirely within those borders.