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FBI Director Continues His Campaign Against Encryption

apexcp writes Following the announcements that Apple and Google would make full disk encryption the default option on their smartphones, FBI director James Comey has made encryption a key issue of his tenure. His blitz continues today with a speech that says encryption will hurt public safety.

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  1. The Children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please think of the children!

    1. Re:The Children! by Russ1642 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pervert. Stop thinking of the children that way!

  2. Public safety is not the issue by kruach+aum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The issue is the balance between public safety and personal privacy. Denying the citizen of any democracy the right to encryption of their personal communication is not an appropriate response to the perceived threat to public safety that same encryption would bring.

    1. Re:Public safety is not the issue by grcumb · · Score: 5, Informative

      The issue is the balance between public safety and personal privacy. Denying the citizen of any democracy the right to encryption of their personal communication is not an appropriate response to the perceived threat to public safety that same encryption would bring.

      Quoth Schneier:

      ...there's no evidence that encryption hampers criminal investigations in any serious way. In 2013, encryption foiled the police nine times, up from four in 2012 -- and the investigations proceeded in some other way.

      There never is any reason to remove a citizen's right to privacy except to extend the power of the state. You can argue the reasons for and against this, but historically, we've always found that more respect for individual rights contributes significantly to better governance.

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  3. when we can read your files, you can read ours. by swschrad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    just that simple, Director.

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  4. His argument boils down to: by mewsenews · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't deserve privacy because criminals don't deserve privacy.

  5. Make a case... by msauve · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It would help his position if the FBI were to go after Federal agencies (e.g. the NSA) for their illegal violation of citizen's privacy rights, and make it perfectly clear that the only searches of cell phones the FBI is interested in would be supported by probable cause and warrants from legitimate courts.

    But I somehow think his reasoning is more on par with "we don't like people protecting their rights, because it makes it harder for us to violate them."

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  6. (Re:The Children!) Why? I'm not a pedophile! by Chas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is not our job to make his job easier or effortless.

    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Our phones and computers are the modern day equivalent of "papers and effects".

    Encryption affords us the security promised by this amendment.

    Does this make the collection of data by various "letter agency" and police law enforcement departments tougher? YEP!

    Does it raise the possibility of criminals "slipping through the system"? YEP!

    I, for one, REFUSE to be pre-criminalized , simply because I don't choose to automatically drop trou whenever someone demands to see "ze papers". The only appropriate answer for this sort of thing is "Fuck you. Get a warrant."

    I also refuse to abrogate my rights and privileges due to an idiotic appeal to emotion (think of the CHILDREN!)

    *I* am not victimizing children. But, the way law enforcement wants to set things up, EVERYONE gets lumped in as would-be rapists, molesters and murderers.

    Jim Comey needs to be told to shut the hell up, do his job *RIGHT* and be a good little soldier.

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  7. Re:(Re:The Children!) Why? I'm not a pedophile! by FuzzMaster · · Score: 5, Informative

    Things on your person can be searched based upon probable cause without the need for a warrant.

    I guess you're not aware of this year's Supreme Court decision, Riley vs. California, in which they determined that police require a warrant to search your phone. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06...

  8. Re:(Re:The Children!) Why? I'm not a pedophile! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Also, why are we so hung up on "papers"? I'm pretty sure our founding fathers didn't care about dead tree pulp and were more concerned about protecting the information on the paper. In that light, why would it matter what medium the information is contained on? Be it chiseled stone, carved wood, or a cellphone?

  9. Re:(Re:The Children!) Why? I'm not a pedophile! by dunkindave · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to know how Jim Comey reconciles his position on encryption with the requirements set for in the CJIS Security Policy

    Because he isn't saying people can't encrypt, he is saying the keys must be available such that the government can get in if needed, even if the owner would like to block the access. The CJIS Policy allows for escrow as well.

    What he doesn't seem to get (though I bet he actually does), and where some of the arguments here are missing the mark, is that if someone else holds a key that will grant access, even if the holder is the government, that provides a path for a bad guy to abuse the ability to access. The bad guy(s) can be hackers/attackers from down the street, on the other side of the planet, employees of our government, etc.

    And the issue regarding the 4th amendment is somewhat misleading because he is saying a REASONABLE search is what is being prevented, namely one where conditions like a valid warrant exist or an imminent physical threat is present (I am not going to argue the problem here about anything can be claimed as an imminent threat). So the question is does the Constitution allow a person to use technical means to prevent the government access to data even when a valid warrant is presented? Many here obviously believe the answer is yes, mostly for reasons like those I gave above, but understand that this doesn't appear to be a protected right under the 4th since the 4th only says you and your effects are secure until a warrant is issued, not after.

  10. Re:Obama Admin! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not "Obama Admin Continues Its Campaign Against Encryption"?

    Because they really don't care about the type of encryption Apple and Google are providing. They can get your (meta)data in so many other ways it's irrelevant.

    This faux outrage from the FBI stooge has nothing to do with any perceived difficulty in spying on citizens, it's about harm-management for the corporations that've been negatively affected by spying revelations. Nothing but smoke, mirrors, red herrings and misdirection all the way down.

    Don't believe a word of it, they've shown repeatedly they're self-serving and untrustworthy. Question everything they say and do, and ALWAYS look for the money trail.

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