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Torvalds: I Made Community-Building Mistakes With Linux

electronic convict writes In a Q&A at LinuxCon Europe, Linux creator Linus Torvalds — no stranger to strong language and blunt opinions — acknowledged a "metric sh*#load" of interpersonal mistakes that unnecessarily antagonized others within the Linux community. In response to Intel's Dirk Hohndel, who asked him which decision he regretted most over the past 23 years, Torvalds replied: "From a technical standpoint, no single decision has ever been that important... The problems tend to be around alienating users or developers and I'm pretty good at that. I use strong language. But again there's not a single instance I'd like to fix. There's a metric sh*#load of those." It's probably not a coincidence that Torvalds said this just a few weeks after critics like Lennart Poettering started drawing attention to the abusive nature of some commentary within the open-source community. Poettering explicitly called out Torvalds for some of his most intemperate remarks and described open source as "quite a sick place to be in." Still, Torvalds doesn't sound like he's about to start making an apology tour. "One of the reasons we have this culture of strong language, that admittedly many people find off-putting, is that when it comes to technical people with strong opinions and with a strong drive to do something technically superior, you end up having these opinions show up as sometimes pretty strong language," he said. "On the Internet, nobody can hear you being subtle."

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  1. Re:LT LP by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 3, Funny

    Someone's forgotten their fortan...

  2. Re:I'm not convinced by Rinikusu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Go fuck yourself.

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  3. Re:Why is shitload spelled sh*#load? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought metric for shitload was fecogram.

  4. O_DIRECT by Smallpond · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was looking to improve some I/O performance by using aligned buffers and O_DIRECT and ran across this tirade from Torvalds:

    https://lkml.org/lkml/2002/5/1...

    "The thing that has always disturbed me about O_DIRECT is that the whole
    interface is just stupid, and was probably designed by a deranged monkey
    on some serious mind-controlling substances"

  5. Re:I'm not convinced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    sudo apt-get remove libncurses

  6. Re:The language in the old west by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think there's a difference between using strong language on a person who demonstrably done something you don't agree with, versus death threats, continuous abuse, stalking or directing said vitriol against large groups people only related by race, gender, etc.

    Well no shit, you stupid human some-sex fuck!

  7. Re:Has it been working so far? by Yunzil · · Score: 4, Funny

    and he gave us git

    And for that I will never forgive him.

  8. Re:On the Internet, nobody can hear you being subt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Did you figure that out all by yourself?

  9. Re: samzenpus and electronic_convict two fuckwits by Teresita · · Score: 4, Funny

    How could Poettering be "calling out" Torvalds when systemd is a user land init process?

  10. Re:The language in the old west by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linus uses death threats?

    Oh, you should hear the way he talks to a slow compiler...

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  11. Re:The language in the old west by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I guess you also believe ... more gun laws reduce crime...

    They do. The facts bear it out in both total crime rates per capita and homicide rates per capita.

    Whereas a society is just as violent as its culture, mainly created by lieberal MSM...

    Then it's quite amazing that societies that only share gun control in common have similar low rates of crime per capita versus the gun-happy USA. Japan, Australia, Sweden, South Korea, etc. all have strict gun control laws. Their crime rates per capita, and especially their homicide rates per capita, are a tiny fraction of the US. And Australia and Sweden share next to nothing in culture with the other two and not that much between themselves either. And none of these facts come from your groan-worthy Faux News mantra about the "lieberal media".

  12. Re:Society hypocrisy.... by x0ra · · Score: 1, Funny

    And that's the core of the issue. Linus has better things to do than trying to convince random Red Hat developers he just don't want their crap in his kernel.