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Google Fiber To Launch In Austin, Texas In December

retroworks writes WSJ blog reports on Austin, the third city to get fiber-optic high speed internet networks laid down by Google (Kansas City and Provo, UT were the first and second). The service averages 1 gigabit per second, about 100X the average US household speed, and costs $70-120 per month (depending on television). Google promotes the roll-outs by holding "rallies" in small neighborhoods. The sign-up process starts in December, focusing on south and southeastern parts of Austin, a Google spokeswoman said Wednesday. It was announced that fiber was coming to Austin back in April.

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  1. I live in the Northeast part of Austin... by Dimwit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and I'm never getting fiber internet. Certain parts of the city are completely ignored for infrastructure upgrades. We just spent $10 million putting bicycle repair kits and air pumps in the richer parts of town, while delaying the sewer installation in my part of town (we were annexed by the city in 2007 and were supposed to have sewers hooked up in 2012...it's 2014 and now they're saying they "hope" it'll get done by 2015). We spent another $1-2 million on "sharrows", which are little arrows that go in the roads to show that we should share those lanes with bikes. We also just spent something like $30 million finishing a bicycling bridge over Town Lake.

    In other words, rich people in the south and southwestern parts of town get whatever they want on the taxpayer dime while people in the north and east have to put up with roads without sidewalks, failing sewer systems, and lackluster police protection. Yay.

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    1. Re: I live in the Northeast part of Austin... by gueryjones · · Score: 2

      I live in southwest Austin. You know, the part where Google Fiber ISN'T being built out. Maybe it has more to do with density and demand than with haves and have nots.

    2. Re: I live in the Northeast part of Austin... by TWX · · Score: 2

      Demand density is almost certainly a factor. In the mid-nineties I was in one of the first neighborhoods in the US to see widespread cablemodem adoption. It was a dead-center middle-class neighborhood with properties that also weren't too physically large, so that the number of subscribers per square mile made it cost effective to roll-out the network changes needed for it.

      Now magnify that 100x for brand-new fiber. They probably aren't using existing dark fiber since it's owned by others, unless they've been quietly buying it up wherever possible, so they'd have to license space on poles or in conduit or have to put in their own conduit, they'll have to design their infrastructure and install and terminate everything, just to set up a backbone. Then they have to take it the last length to the property once they have subscribers.

      Poor neighborhoods, even high density ones, will be late to roll-out since they'll have less subscribers per square mile, and wealthy neighborhoods with especially low density will also be late to roll-out for the exact same reason.

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    3. Re:I live in the Northeast part of Austin... by buddyglass · · Score: 3, Informative

      Check out the map of drops. Westlake, Tarrytown and Northwest Hills (between Mopac and 360) were completely skipped.

    4. Re:I live in the Northeast part of Austin... by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

      Well-chosen slashdot nickname, Dimwit.

      All the public infrastructure crap you're complaining about was part of bond packages that voters approved and paid for with tax money.

      Google fiber ain't that. It's a subscription service being provided by a corporation. The fact that you're complaining of not having sewers hooked up indicates you live in a rural section which isn't the most lucrative region for Google to spend money where the people / mile-of-fiber ratio is thin.

    5. Re:I live in the Northeast part of Austin... by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      Even as somebody who doesn't have a car and cycles just about everywhere, I find that spending $10 million dollars on bike repair stands to be ridiculous. First, if I get a flat, I don't want to walk even 500 meters to get to the repair stand, because that would take 8 minutes or so, by which time I could almost be done fixing the tire with the tools I bring with me. And it's not likely that they are going to have a repair stand every 500 meters. A high estimate of what it would cost to supply yourself with the tools is probably around $50, so for $10 million, you could outfit 200,000 cyclists with their own repair gear. Which is 10-20% of the population depending on if you just count the city, or metro area.

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    6. Re:I live in the Northeast part of Austin... by Chill+Rob · · Score: 1

      Dang! I see what you're talking about. They have completely skipped north Mopac and Northwest Hills?? I don't see any of these Drops near my apartment at all. What does a drop mean, technically anyways..?

    7. Re:I live in the Northeast part of Austin... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      But It doesn't make the liberals feel good your way. Duh!

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    8. Re:I live in the Northeast part of Austin... by LordNimon · · Score: 1

      I feel for you, dude. I lived in NE Austin for 12 years, but last year I moved to NW Austin. We just got sick and tired of being ignored by the city. I hope the new district plan will improve things for you. My suggestion is that you really pester your district representative as much as you can to improve things.

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    9. Re:I live in the Northeast part of Austin... by dwpro · · Score: 1

      South Austinite here. I find it laughable you'd blame us for gobbling up the budget. How's that $105 million commuter rail? I hope it's not too crowded.

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  2. Living in KC by crazyprogrammer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Austin may be the third city to get Google Fiber, but that doesn't mean Kansas City is all up and running. I live in Kansas City and I'm still waiting for my Google Fiber connection to be hooked up. The fiber is now on the utility pole behind my house, but they haven't run the fiber to my house yet. A recent email from Google stated that it might be as late as spring 2015 before my neighborhood is hooked up.

    In the mean time, I plan to improve my latency by hiring Lorenzo Cain to run my external HDs to/from whom ever I'm trading files with.

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    1. Re:Living in KC by TWX · · Score: 2

      Fiber work takes time and is very labor-intensive. Even aerial fiber requires effort and planning, and just because your home is spitting-distance to the backbone, that doesn't mean that there aren't still several phases of the project necessary in order to go the last hundred-feet or to light-up that fiber.

      It's possible that the central office or local exchange is still being built. It's possible that the local exchange doesn't have its own backbone to the CO finished yet. It's possible that the CO or local exchange is still waiting on the switching equipment. It's possible that they're waiting on the demarc equipment, as ME-grade switches are made in fewer numbers than customer premises LAN equipment. It's possible that they're still coordinating crews for the labor. It's possible they're still doing permitting for the final service-tie-in or are even just working with tree-trimming companies to make sure that foliage won't be a problem. It's even possible that they're waiting for the subscription count to get high enough to increase the priority of that particular neighborhood's hookup, to make it financially viable.

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    2. Re:Living in KC by fishybell · · Score: 2

      Brutal. I live in city #2 (Provo, UT for those not keeping track), and, because I can't really help myself, all I can say is: this post brought to you via Google Fiber.

      Originally, quite a bit of time was spent doing upgrades behind the scenes, then they switched everyone who was on the iProvo network to Google, then they started adding new customers in built-out neighborhoods. I am lucky enough to live in a neighborhood that they switched over relatively early. It looks like they've got quite a ways to go before they finish the built-out neighborhoods. There are a couple of places that people live that aren't built out, and those people will end up in the same end as you. Right now though? I see several Google Fiber branded vehicles a day.

      For those at home wanting to know what it's like? Honestly, from a web-usage stand point it's about the same as the XFinity service we had before. When Google announced they were coming to town XFinity waved a magic wand and we went from sub-50, with highly inconsistent service to 100-plus with very good reliability. In the reliability department, Google is slightly better (it's only been a month, so we'll have to see about the long-run still). As far as the routers provided by both: the XFinity box had more options for power users and the Google box has all the power-user options (even simple stuff like staticly assigned DHCP) hidden fairly well. I'm not convinced the router is the best available, but my landlords don't want to swap it out.

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    3. Re:Living in KC by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      And it will take just as long to get it in Austin. The summary says that this was announced back in April, but it was announced (and the linked story is from) April 2013. It's been 16 months to learn that in two months neighborhoods with the same density as mine, but in another part of town, can sign up for fiber. They'll get it some time after that. It seems unlikely to be before 2017 in my neighborhood now.

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    4. Re:Living in KC by Megane · · Score: 1

      Since Google does a "fiberhood" at a time, it may be behind your house, but not behind every house in your neighborhood. Also, if the fiber is a backbone, you don't connect a customer to that. You can't just stick a drop in the middle of a fiber cable. As I understand it, they put priority on neighborhoods with the highest demand and the lowest construction issues.

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  3. Dear Google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... Canada!

  4. Re:I can hear the hipster rejoice from here by TWX · · Score: 2

    I'm not a hipster and I'd be rejoicing if it came to my city. Gigabit for the cost of my current crappy broadband cable, or FREE (sans installation cost) for the same speed as what I get from my crappy broadband cable now?

    Hell, I've been planning on cabling my home, this would be the sort of thing to make me implement those plans even with the construction that I'd need to do for pathways and an MDF...

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  5. Re:I thought this said Australia by jonwil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Blame the combination of Telstra (who don't particularly like the idea of a network it has no control over and earns no money from as would have been the case for a FTTP NBN), Foxtel (who see a high speed network killing off their overpriced crappy pay TV offering) and the big movie/TV companies (who see a high speed network as leading to increased levels of piracy)

  6. Looking forward to the year 2174 A.D. by BenJeremy · · Score: 4, Funny

    The year they finally get around to having 10% of the country wired for fiber.

    1. Re:Looking forward to the year 2174 A.D. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also the year the FCC holds its final hearing on the mythical "net neutrality" that was spoken of in the beforetime, and deciding that the Corporation (there'll only be the one by then) doth not approve, hence it shall not be, amen.

  7. toward Round Rock and Dell employees, Parmer? by raymorris · · Score: 1

    If you're in the part of northeast Austin where the tech companies are, I'd think Google would want to get those areas done fairly early. Technology professionals will use fast internet and spend money online. The city government may not give a shit, but I'd expect Google to start with the densest concentrations of good customers.

    1. Re:toward Round Rock and Dell employees, Parmer? by Megane · · Score: 1

      And I'm in northwest Austin near 183/620, so I share your pain. There's quite a few tech companies along Parmer in general. The dots on the map (with a few exceptions that may be the "special" places they wired like libraries, etc.) stop at 38th and Mopac, except for the Mueller area. I'm actually kind of surprised how they put so many blue dots east of 35, but then I guess the hipsters have been gentrifying the poor out of the east side lately. Lots of blue dots in downtown, too.

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  8. nearby, the cable co announced gigabit cheap by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    About two hours from Austin is College Station, where the cable company has long been providing about 10mbps for $70 or so. They just announced this will be the first place their speed will go to 100Mbps for no extra charge, and gigabit will be available for a little more. I'm thinking they noticed Google fiber down the road and figured they better get their act together.

    There hasn't been much real competition until Google fiber - just DSL, at the same slow speed and the same price, but several weeks to get set-up.

    1. Re:nearby, the cable co announced gigabit cheap by TWX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They're full of shit. They're probably oversubscribed already. Sure, one subscriber without others on the line (remember, these are shared-bandwidth networks!) may be able to achieve 100Mbit speeds, or even one in the middle of the dead of night without other users to contend with could hit those speeds even on a shared line, but you're looking at lots of users on a segment. They throttle you to a certain speed because that's the fastest they can give you when utilization is low so that when utilization is high you don't notice the difference between the two too dramatically.

      Most broadband providers now are in the same situation as dialup companies were at the end of the nineties; with dialup a provider needed to avoid oversubscribing more than about six users per phone line or digital-equivalent to avoid busy signals, but in order to be profitable they had to sell far more subscriptions. Some of the worst were 20:1 and actually getting a connection was nearly impossible. Remember redialing endlessly? That's where we're at with copper broadband now, they have to oversell to make it profitable but then everyone hates how poor the performance is, and the schmucks in customer service take the brunt of complaints, and they provide poor customer service because there's nothing they can do about it, and the corporate officers, board, and stockholders profit off the difference.

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    2. Re:nearby, the cable co announced gigabit cheap by Andrio · · Score: 1

      This is kind of what happened with webmail when Gmail came out. I remember at the time, in 2004, Hotmail was 2MB of storage and Yahoo was 3MB of storage. As soon as Gmail came out with its 1GB of storage, you saw the others suddenly start offering a lot more storage.

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  9. Re:I can hear the hipster rejoice from here by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

    This is nice if you happen to live in Austin, but I guarantee it won't go much farther. Maybe a couple more cities and then it will be abandoned, just like Verizon did.

  10. Re:I can hear the hipster rejoice from here by 1gig · · Score: 3, Informative

    While I generally agree with you I have to admit that I live in North Pflugerville (between Austin and Round Rock) about 2 miles from Dell in a new neiborhood. I have had Fiber to my house since I moved in 7 years ago. While there is no telling when if ever Google will come to my area as soon as they anounced they were coming to Austin AT&T finally got off there butt and turned on all the fiber they already had installed all over the area. True if you are in an older neiborhood it will be awhile before you get fiber but if you happen to live in a newer neiborhood (less than 7-8 years old) there is a good chance you already have fiber to the home and that means 1Gig from AT&T. So far the service has been fantastic! Yea it's AT&T and I would prefer Google but hey they are matching Googles price and speed so no complaints at this point.

  11. I want slower for cheaper by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 2

    I want 10mbs for around $10. Basically I don't need that much for work during the day and Netflix at night. I don't even need that great a ping time.

    Keep in mind that those are the needs of someone who develops software that is heavily network centred. Once in a blue moon when I really need a full iso of a linux distro I might grumble that faster would be better but I am not sure that I would notice the difference 99.9% of the time.

    1. Re:I want slower for cheaper by TWX · · Score: 3, Informative

      If what I read on Google's fiber website is right, they're offering free lower-speed fiber connectivity so long as one pays for the installation cost, around $300. My guess is that if a subscriber likes the free, they'll upgrade to paid 1Gb, if they already have the connection in place.

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    2. Re:I want slower for cheaper by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      I'll buy that in a second. My pretty shitty service (Eastlink) costs me around $60 a month so in 5 months I would cover the $300. My effective download speed is around 15Mbs but the upload is basically fast morse code and my ping time is often all over the place; enough that I really feel sorry for the gamers.

      Not that GF is coming to Canada but I would celebrate my call to Eastlink to tell them that they won't be getting another cent from me in this lifetime.

    3. Re:I want slower for cheaper by Durrik · · Score: 2

      oh I'd love 10 mbs. I'm stuck with only one provider where I live. No cable, just CenturyLink DSL. I have the fastest service they offer in this area, a whole 7 mbs. And I get to pay $70 a month for it too. When I called up customer service about it, they seemed shocked that we only got 7 mbs for that amount, and then he looked at what was offered in the area, and apologized because that's all they have. I have a 70 ms ping to the speed test servers. Shows you how bad it is when they don't even care about faking speed test because there's no competition in this area.

      What's frustrating is that a half mile west there's Cox. A half mile north there's cox. A have mile south there's cox, and a half mile east cox has partial coverage to northern half of the area. Just this one little area of new construction doesn't have Cox, and when I asked them when they'd get to it, they didn't know. I know cable sucks, and is a shared service, but its better than my 7-70-70 service (mbs, ping, price).

      It takes about 30 seconds for my wife to load her facebook page, and her other pages. I don't really know why it could be so shitty. We have to unplug the modem at least once a week because it seems to die on us, and we seem to change IP addresses every 2-3 days. When both of our computers started downloading the latest round of windows patches it literally killed my wife's google talk page.

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    4. Re:I want slower for cheaper by rainmaestro · · Score: 2

      I'm in the same boat. I'm paying $60/mo for what is typically 11-12mbs. I've never found a need to have anything more than that. Sufficient to download games in 1-2 hours, stream Netflix, and do my job (typically involving VPN and a few RDP sessions). I guess going up to 100mbs or gig would be worth it if there were 5 people in the house all trying to stream video and play games at once.

      I'd rather see the low end packages get cheaper than get higher speeds that I have no use for.

    5. Re:I want slower for cheaper by Megane · · Score: 1

      Also, if you don't get it when they come around, they aren't bringing the backhoe back when you change your mind later. I think it's worth it to pay $300 for them to wire up your house. By the time they get to my house, I'll probably have moved back to San Antonio and be renting it out, and I'd pay the $300 just to be sure it gets installed to the house.

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    6. Re:I want slower for cheaper by Forgefather · · Score: 1

      I wonder what being able to say you are wired to google fiber does to the resale value of your home? Being able to advertise google fiber access must be a huge incentive for certain home buyers and I bet you could recoup that $300 instantly just in resale value.

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    7. Re:I want slower for cheaper by TWX · · Score: 1

      No, they don't.

      A friend of mine bought a brand new build home a couple of years ago, and I cabled the house for ethernet, coax, and phone. I ran cabling to predicted demarc points for both the telephone company and the cable company. She didn't subscribe to phone service, and the phone company never installed a service connection or demarcation point. The cable company, for which she did sign up for service from, did.

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    8. Re:I want slower for cheaper by TWX · · Score: 1

      I don't think that it'll specifically add resale value, but it will make it easier. The more potential connectivity the better as it gives the buyers options.

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  12. Commas matter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As written, this headline says that Google fiber is going to launch in Austin, and that Texas is going to launch in December.

    Put the comma after "Texas" too, and you'll have something that's correct.

    1. Re:Commas matter. by McKing · · Score: 1

      No. The Oxford Comma specifically refers to a comma between the last two items in a series. "I went to the store for grapes, milk, and bread" versus "I went to the store for grapes, milk and bread".

      The comma between the city name and the state is required; the additional comma after the state is usually needed for clarity when the city and state are used in a sentence.

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    2. Re:Commas matter. by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      The city and state combo is a list. An example if we extended the list would be: Austin, Texas, United States, and Earth.

      Hence, we're talking about the oxford comma.

  13. Privacy Nightmare, no thanks!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone want this from Google? Seriously! They will datamine every single unencrypted bit that you send and receive, for life, and sell it to the highest backdoor bidder, including the government, the credit bureaus, and walmart.
    Bet you $100 they require your real name, email address, telephone number, date of birth, and social security number to sign up too.
    Screw that.

  14. flushing by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 1

    So which connector do I need to flush to get Google fiber?

  15. Re:I thought this said Australia by Sulphur · · Score: 3, Funny

    Structured Highspeed Internet Technology, Mate.

  16. Why so slow? by Roodvlees · · Score: 1

    Are they simultaneously expanding elsewhere?
    Are they being blocked by cable companies who know they will lose to any competition?

    They are also deploying weather balloons in extremely poor countries to get people anywhere on the internet.
    At this rate those people will have better internet than most US citizens, and for free.

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    1. Re:Why so slow? by Megane · · Score: 1

      Cherry picking. Partly they're going for neighborhoods with higher anticipated demand (and higher anticipated density), partly they're going for neighborhoods with physically easier installs. Just remember that when they choose your neighborhood (aka "fiberhood"), if you don't get the install done then, you're pretty much fucked until they pick your neighborhood for again a second chance. My understanding is they generally won't go back for the stragglers and wafflers who didn't sign up when they were doing that neighborhood, at least not if it means a backhoe roll would be involved.

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  17. 183 & 620 was me l, cattle, and a stop sign by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Would you believe when I moved to that area, there were cattle grazing at the intersection of 183 & 620, which was a stop sign as I recall. :)

  18. Re:Gbps speeds by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    Maybe the ACs point was hidden behind the three repeats of obviously mistaken "100 Gbps" speeds. I'm pretty sure nobody out there is getting "100 Gbps" internet. Now if it was 100 mbps, he'd probably have been fine :D

  19. These articles frustrate me. by JimMcc · · Score: 1

    I get so frustrated reading these kind of articles. We get 3mb for $70/month. That's 3mb with horrible latency and dropped packets. That's 3mb that frequently requires pages to be reloaded in order to complete properly.

    Of course 3mb is a lot better than my first connection which was, and I kid you not, 110kb via an acoustic coupler on a good old fashion TTY. So I guess that makes my complaint a first world problem.

    Oh well, never mind. Century Link just carry on with your fine upstanding service.

  20. Re:Don't get your hopes up if you're in an apt. by gameboyhippo · · Score: 1

    There's quite a few complexes near where I live that have Google Fiber. It's proudly advertised on various complex's banners.

  21. Re:I thought this said Australia by jonwil · · Score: 1

    They were just acting on orders from their corporate masters...