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Snapchat Will Introduce Ads, Attempt To Keep Them Other Than Creepy
As reported by VentureBeat, dissapearing-message service Snapchat is introducing ads. Considering how most people feel about ads, they're trying to ease them in gently: "Ads can be ignored: Users will not be required to watch them. If you do view an ad, or if you ignore it for 24 hours, it will disappear just like Stories do." Hard to say how much it will mollify the service's users, but the company says "We won’t put advertisements in your personal communication – things like Snaps or Chats. That would be totally rude. We want to see if we can deliver an experience that’s fun and informative, the way ads used to be, before they got creepy and targeted."
That's how it always starts. In a few years, more ads than content.
You are not the customer. You are the product.
All of the nope.
Show me ads, I block them or go elsewhere.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
To do targeted advertising, you have to collect data about people, say by processing the messages that have accumulated in their mailboxes over time. In this case though, SnapChat *CANT* do that - by definition - messages aren't supposed to lie around, they vanish when they are read. So the inability to deliver targeted ads is a fundamental shortcoming of the service.
It's amazing how they're trying to market it like they're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. That's just... creepy.
How did I miss this halcyon era when Internet ads were "fun and informative"?
Handful of friends and I use snapchat mainly to send stupid shit to each other. It's kinda fun, but none of us are really using it to chat or anything.
I might have considered paying a buck or two for the app (we've had some fun with it), but deal with ads, fuck that shit. The stupid random "live from Oktoberfest" shit that's been showing up lately is annoying enough.
I always wondered how they intended to fund/make money from this. I was kinda hoping for something more creative than "once it's popular, we'll show ads!".
Well on the way to monetize eh? Go get those eyeballs. I heard they have 35 employees. Thats an amazing ratio, 10B for 35. GPRO a week or so ago was 11B for 350. BRCM is 21B for 11300. Makes you wonder...
Is anyone actually surprised by this?
EDIT: Awesome CAPTCHA: "sincere"
It is like boiling a frog. Intrusive ads might drive users away onto a competing platform, and since there isn't anything much to the technology they need to preserve their user base. At the same time they have to monetize. This intermediate solution is to slowly ramp up revenue, we'll get to the creepy targeted ads sooner rather than later...
"Use a town risk." - Dumb and Dumber
Just the tip, he says, trust me, and before you know it, you're totally fucked.
they're trying to ease them in gently
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Please die in a fire. Quietly.
Breaking your restraining order again, Andy?
Good thing I've got the parole officer's number on speed dial.
I just don't understand how people that are a little bit tech savvy cope with ads. The first things I do on a new computer (mine or a relative/friend)is:
- install Adblock Plus on all the browsers that support it;
- tweak the host file to block know ads/malware domains
I haven't seen an ad in years, the web feels so quiet when you browse like that, without popups, flashes, animations, everyone crying for your attention...
Android? Rooted smartphone/tablet? No problem! Here is AdAway, basically tweaking the hosts file on the Android Linux, the same way that you do on a Windows PC.
Apple still eludes me, as my only iOS device, an iPad2 is not jailbroken, so I don't really know what's out there for it, so I still see lots of ads when browsing with it... Maybe that's the reason it's the device I do the least browsing with..
"A sysadmin is a cross between a detective, a police officer, a gardener, a doctor and a fireman"
The Snapchat team are really regretting that they were too prideful to take a $3B buyout. Now they get to enjoy the quick, flaming descent into being penniless refugees from a failed startup.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
He can't - his hosts file prevents it.
Get ad block already you noob
and/or a proper browser.
Please come to my house and impregnate my wife and daughters.
I want children that have your intelligence, courage and wherewithal. Sigh.
If you find my wife or daughters unattractive, I will happily suck you off to get your 'repro-juice'.
Please APK, make my life have meaning!
When they got rid of Usenet and Gopher and the rest, and started in with pictures on everything, they promised me search engines would make it possible to find anything desired, because they would find and index everything.
And that came to be, but in a bizarre backwards way:
The search engines find the meat people, and even the corporate business people, index everything about us, and offer that all up in exquisitely specific detail -- findable by those who outbid us for the knowledge of who we are and what we could be.
We can be anything they will sell us, nothing more.
Alas.
What part of that reality doesn't snapchat get?
Your spam annoys me.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Wait... ads can be ignored? When did this happen?!
It's pure klunky bullshit and unoriginal brute force and it's always outdated.
Go with elegance ... go with Adblock.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Yeah, I've posted to the wrong article, too.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Your spam actually wok against you.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
I field questions about using the hosts file service and use this post as justification to say, "No."
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Use 12 reputable security community sources for hosts data w/ this: Adds speed, security, reliability, & more, by doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' issues:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
---
A.) Hosts do more than:
1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).
C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity
D.) Hosts files yield more:
1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).
---
* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).
* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.
* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)
Instead, work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)
APK
P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"
...apk
AdBlock's crippled by default due to selling out its intended purpose & doesn't do as much as hosts do or as efficiently (less moving parts room for breakdown + complexity & tearing up RAM & CPU like mad too).
* IF you're idea of being "elegant" is being redundant, crippled, & less efficient? You're off - way, Way, WAY off!
APK
P.S.=> However: To each his own - I can only show a more efficient better route that a user has direct + complete easy control of as well vs. Almost ALL Ads Blocked especially... apk
Or infecting you w/ malicious script? My FREE hosts program adds speed, security, reliability, & more, by doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' issues:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
---
A.) Hosts do more than:
1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).
C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity
D.) Hosts files yield more:
1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).
---
* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).
* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.
* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)
Instead, work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)
APK
P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"
...apk
Can adblock do 16 things hosts do for more speed, security, reliability:
1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious adbanners - see 2 thru 6 below next)
2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
9.) Keep you off dns request logs
10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
13.) Block out trackers
14.) Block spam mails sources
15.) Block phishing mails sources
16.) Work in apps OTHER than a webbrowser (like SnapChat here)?
"?"
* Especially #16 above in this case...
APK
P.S.=> The ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...
*IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?
That's illogical: I can lead a horse to water but I can't make him drink!
... apk
Huh? What video ads?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
A hosts file ain't no firewall...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
Hate to break it to you, but hosts files totally FAIL when it comes to dynamic or randomly-generated domain names.
Hosts files are meant to perform name resolution. Using them for anything else is just plain dumb.
Huh? What video ads?
I'm with you... and I'm also still wondering what that "Disable Advertising" check box near the top right corner of each page is all about...
You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
Micro payments would need to GENERATE few dollars per day for site owners. That doesn't say anything about what they COST. If I fill out a payment form to pay 10 cents for a howto, that generates 10 cents for the bank and site to split, but it costs a few minutes. The typical Slashdot reader probably sells their time at over $1/minute, so it costs ten times as much as the site owner gets.
Sure there is no law of physics that says it must cost a lot, but if spammers send millions of emails hoping for an average profit of $0.000001 per email, how many millions of fraudulent micropayments would they submit to be paid two cents apiece? The system has to be robust against sophisticated fraud in order to survive, and that will cost users time and the security will cost a lot of money.
On the other hand, if we can come up with a system that keeps the transactional, security, and convenience costs below 50%, we can become billionaires. A company that could do that would be a thousand times larger than PayPal. I did know one guy who ran a successful system like that years ago, and it made him quite wealthy. The key in his case was that he had client web sites that were part of a group that customers would purchase as a package deal. Suppose that for $25 / year, you got no ads and special perks on :
Slashdot
Cnet
SourceForge
Github
Stackexchange
Lots of Maker sites
And 800 other tech / nerd sites.
That might be worth taking a couple of minutes to sign up (and the transaction fee the merchant pays for credit card processing). All the sites could sell subscriptions and receive a cut of the revenue. If 10% of nerds paid each paid $25, that would be a lot of money to split between the participating sites. That's generally how the successful one worked, covering a certain niche.
It does seem very unethical of someone claiming to block advetising, to then advertise said product over and over in every discussion. Just like other advertising, I do not care how good your product is, advertising is advertising - this kind of advertsing is also spam comments.
Who the heck buys something after only looking at the advertisement? Always look for the return policy. Check for quality. Advertisements are the least appealing things whether they are on the internet, the radio, or the TV. I would be very interested in the real numbers as to who is buying a product as a direct correlation to watching the propaganda. .
The subject's ads. Apk's on topic. Are you? No. Adblock fans do it. So can apk.
For example: I've got every dynamically generated host from the CryptoLocker strain in my hosts (per Gar Warner http://garwarner.blogspot.com/ of malcovery & his posts here pointing to his research on them, & there were 1,000's I added to my hosts file from it).
* As they're known/discovered - I simply ADD them.
(It's easy since security researchers & security companies are on those like "white on rice"... every single time).
Hosts are FAR from dumb to use this way - they're easy to manage (text editors like notepad.exe even) for end users, with TOTAL control on their parts (not waiting for updates from addons OR having to know regular expressions), with less moving parts & redundancy operating from a faster level of operation in kernelmode (vs. layering over usermode browsers slowing them more with extra messagepassing), + doing FAR MORE, yet with less too (less resources in CPU + RAM use, see my original post on adblock's messes there in fact).
APK
P.S.=> Yes, it's THAT simple to cover fastflux or dynDNS or even dynamically generated botnet hosts to add into my custom hosts files... apk
How's hosts outdated if my program updates hosts files for users of it? Between this & my other post http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... on "elegance"?
You're "SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES" for your bullshit... period!
(FACT: Hosts do far, Far, FAR more http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... with less CPU + RAM consumption from a faster level of operation in kernelmode vs. usermode layering over browsers increasing their messagepassing overheads & less redundancy in hosts too since they're the 1st resolver queried LONG BEFORE addons even BEGIN to operate).
Users of hosts also have DIRECT control (via text editors like notepad.exe even) of hosts data, easily, in an easily understood text file format.
Thus, they can add-remove what they like, WHEN they like, as often as they like, easily!
( & they don't DEPEND on browser addon makers time taken in lag in updating OR having to know regular expressions either (adblock difficulty there vs. hosts is HUGE - on BOTH those accounts...)).
APK
P.S.=> Go away - you're so full of it, it's not even funny... apk
You are always worth more to the advertisers than you are worth to yourself. If they gave you an option to bid to keep your personal information private, you'd be surprised what the advertisers think it's worth to outbid you. Remember they can resell what they obtain over and over.
Yep. The more you'd be willing to pay to remove ads, the more valuable your eyeballs are. Advertisers don't care if broke people view their ads or not.
Once the names are generated, they're added as they're detected - period.
* Sad you can't accept the fact you are WRONG...
APK
P.S.=> It's that simple - you fail... apk
I think this is what makes Bitcoin and Dogecoin and the other cryptocurrencies so interesting.
There is hardly any overhead in paying people, it's fast.
It's like paying a street performer with cash.
New things are always on the horizon
If a botnet uses DGA? It's using hostnames (domain names). Those go into hosts files (to block if proceeded by 0.0.0.0 or 127.0.0.1 or in some cases 0 even).
* That's how I got the entire list of dynamically generated algorithm names for CryptoLocker as I already mentioned (from Gar Warner of Malcovery who posted a link to them in fact)...
(By the way: THERE IS NO "infinite" fool since sooner or later the botnet gets "sinkholed" too, & the fact is that security researchers setup honeypots & monitor botnets that use DGA & record the names that it communicates back & forth from, such as its C&C servers....)
APK
P.S.=> You lose/fail: & THAT, is that - period... apk
Tell us more about "elegance" in AdBlock (crippled by default & doesn't do a fraction of what hosts can for added speed, security, reliability, & more + uses TONS more RAM & CPU than hosts files do, proving its far less efficient than hosts files are, also considering it runs in usermode too with more messagepassing slowing usermode browsers even more (vs. hosts in kernelmode)) -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Tell us about how hosts are "outdated" when my program updates them for users from 12 reputable security community sources too -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
APK
P.S.=> Keep "Running", Forrest... apk
Tell us more about "elegance" in AdBlock (crippled by default & doesn't do a fraction of what hosts can for added speed, security, reliability, & more + uses TONS more RAM & CPU than hosts files do, proving its far less efficient than hosts files are, also considering it runs in usermode too with more messagepassing slowing usermode browsers even more (vs. hosts in kernelmode, which is running long BEFORE addons like "almost all ads blocked" does, making it redundant as well)) -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Tell us about how hosts are "outdated" when my program updates them for users from 12 reputable security community sources too -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
APK
P.S.=> Keep "Running", Forrest... apk
I suggest YOU answer these questions (prove them validly wrong too) http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
* Good luck: You'll NEED it (more like a miracle)...
(Hosts do far, Far, FAR more than "Almost ALL Ads Blocked", sold-out & crippled by default as is, & also NOT doing its intended job because of it, as well as using far more resources in RAM + CPU than hosts do by a mile, yet doing less, operating from slower usermode, layered in over usermode browsers slowing them down more with added messagepassing PLUS being redundant (since hosts are queried & in operation via the IP stack itself LONG BEFORE browser addons even begin to operate in the 1st place)).
APK
P.S.=> Trolls: You're ALL THE SAME, always off topic & very easy to run off by confronting you to prove my enumerated points wrong (which you clearly cannot do validly) on hosts adding more speed, security, reliability, & more - that adblock can't even BEGIN to do, or as well either... apk
Use 12 reputable security community sources for hosts w/ this: It adds speed, security, reliability, & more, by doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' issues:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
---
A.) Hosts do more than:
1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).
C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity
D.) Hosts files yield more:
1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).
---
* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).
* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.
* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)
Instead, work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)
APK
P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"
...apk
Can adblock do these 15 things hosts files can for more speed, security, reliability, & more:
1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious adbanners - see 2 thru 6 below next)
2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
9.) Keep you off dns request logs
10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
13.) Block out trackers
14.) Block spam mails sources
15.) Block phishing mails sources
"?"
* Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.
APK
P.S.=> The ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...
So, *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?
That's illogical: I can lead a horse to water but I can't make them drink!
... apk
W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:
"Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"
Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).
I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!
Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!
He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!
ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).
I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!
Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk