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The Woman Who Should Have Been the First Female Astronaut

StartsWithABang writes We like to think of the Mercury 7 — the very first group of NASA astronauts — as the "best of the best," having been chosen from a pool of over 500 of the top military test pilots after three rounds of intense physical and mental tests. Yet when women were allowed to take the same tests, one of them clearly distinguished herself, outperforming practically all of the men. If NASA had really believed in merit, Jerrie Cobb would have been the first female in space, even before Valentina Tereshkova, more than 50 years ago. She still deserves to go.

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  1. Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At this point we'd just be paying to put an old woman into space in the name of equality. Someone pin a ribbon on her chest, say a formal apology, and let the space program be used for space research rather than as a political platform. The only reason that this stuff is coming up so much lately is Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, anyway.

    1. Re:Eh by Imrik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't the lesson to use the best people regardless of gender? In which case, why should she go instead of someone more qualified?

    2. Re:Eh by halltk1983 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tea Party are not libertarians. They're closer to traditional Republicans which only want the government involved in what *they* want the government involved in. Libertarians want the government to behave as though it's controlled by the Constitution, and only to get involved when people directly infringe on others' rights.

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    3. Re:Eh by mcvos · · Score: 2

      Isn't the lesson to use the best people regardless of gender? In which case, why should she go instead of someone more qualified?

      When she was tested, there weren't many that were more qualified. She should have been part of the Mercury 7.

      Sending her now, well, it wouldn't make sense in a role more suited for someone younger, but if she could be sent as part of aging research, like John Glenn was, then that'd be great. But mostly the article laments that a great talent was denied something she'd have been perfect for because of stupid sexist notions from the 1950s.

    4. Re:Eh by rasmusbr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Which manned space program are you talking about?

      Odds are Elon Musk will pick the crew for the next US manned mission, based on recruitment and testing done at SpaceX. There is something to be said for sending elderly people on the first test flights, since that minimizes the loss of life-years in the event of a fatal accident... But there are probably more important criteria. The top candidates will perhaps be ex-NASA astronauts in their early 60's / late 50's.

    5. Re:Eh by milkmage · · Score: 2

      i don't doubt sexism was part of it, but let's face it.. if a woman was killed the space program would have been in serious jeopardy.

      let's not forget that while SHE may have been qualified, WE really had no idea what we were doing.. making it up as we went a long. waaaay more risk back then - Mercury was our first foray into manned spaceflight... lots of unknowns

      if she was, say, killed in Apollo 1, we may have never gotten to the moon. Mondale almost got the program cancelled after White, Grissom and Chaffee were killed, a woman on that crew may have been enough to kill Apollo on the spot.

      I don't think the American public had the stomach for a female (CIVILIAN) casualty..

    6. Re:Eh by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Yes, it is sexism. It's also a very real response that would have shut the program down.
      Remember we are talking such high risk the speeches for their deaths were written before hand.

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  2. She would've flunked the sperm test by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    cos she has no sperm.

    (and no I'm not kidding, they tested your sperm to see if you qualified as part of Project Mercury)

    1. Re:She would've flunked the sperm test by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      That reminds me of the old joke about the male athlete who planted someone else's urine to clear himself of doping charges. "We have two good news for you; first, you've been cleared of the charges, and second, you're pregnant."

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  3. All about perception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The public weren't prepared to accept female deaths - or at least, politicians didn't think they would.
    Women performed better in many tests - particularly stress testing, sensory deprivation, etc.

    1. Re: All about perception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Didnt they send monkeys to space before whitesï¼Y

    2. Re:All about perception by Tyr07 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's pure discrimination. It was widely known that physiologically and psychologically a woman is better suited for space flights

      A statement like 'Women are physiologically and psychologically better suited to cooking" is sexist

      But you think what you said isn't discrimination? Holy shit, ignorant feminist minority alert.

      Discrimination that likely happened back then is really sad and unfortunate, however saying "Let's fix this and make things proper, and equal, as women are superior" is dumb as shit.

      Some men are complete air heads and shouldn't be trusted with a toaster, some women don't know how to tell time on an analog clock.
      The opposite is also true. The concept of gender equality is that, some men will be amazing at task A, some women will be amazing at task a.

      Some men will be terrible at task A, some women will be terrible at task A.
      Individually people are different, some better some worse regardless of gender and people need to start recognizing that.

      It's so ignorant when people think that they can rally the support of decent people under the banner of equality, then think they can abuse it, and do the reverse, abuse men, and then they'll still have the support to do it.

      It won't happen. The only reason women were treated better and gained equal rights is because back when men held all the power, there were men who were not ignorant and recognized that a women is just as capable as a man, and therefore could influence the other men in power to open their eyes,

      And I'm not saying it wasn't without an amazing effort by women before anyone tries to turn it into that. What I am saying, if you can remove yourself from your gender ego issues, is that "Without support from the people in power, the people not in power would not have been able to get the changes to occur."

      Also before someone tries some ignorant but the people not in power do control it like how we vote with the government.
      No! The people have the power, and anything the government does is by using our combined power based on our votes, we can also strip them of the use of our power. (our being gender neutral here)

    3. Re: All about perception by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

      "Besides, armies are not composed of average men" - utter bullshit. The Rangers perhaps aren't, but the general military is. It's still very important that your buddy be able to pick up your shot, unconscious body and carry it.

      "Differences between men and women *on average* are meaningless." Physically, this is untrue.

      "The average soldier can be easily replaced with exceptional women." Which more or less negates your point.

    4. Re:All about perception by Tyr07 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, and no women has had to worry about getting someone pregnant. So there are a few biological differences like that.

      But equality is talking about social equality, not the biologicaldifferences or equality.
      Tasks that humans in society have come up with that are beyond our biological designs.

      In biology, men are designed on average to be stronger and faster than a women, but that doesn't stop a women from being stronger and faster than a man
      In fact, based on genetics, some women may naturally be faster and stronger without additional effort.
      However on average it will take effort to surpass this

    5. Re:All about perception by RazorSharp · · Score: 2

      You're being pedantic. The statement "men can run faster than women" has implicit meanings which you are ignoring -- namely that the best male runners will always outperform the best female runners. This is demonstrated empirically every four years with the summer olympics.

      I agree with some of the sentiments of your original post -- there's a huge variation in the human population and we should be careful to be aware of this so we don't presume in favor of the average (lefties know how that feels); but I think we also have a tendency to go in the opposite direction in the name of equality and use outliers to represent the whole when they clearly do not.

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  4. Another junk article from medium.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Consisting of a handful of sentences written in 20 point font that failed to support its facts nor conditional, inflammatory conclusion. It is a troll article, like so many from that site.

    The point made may be true, but why should a reader spend more time researching the article's sources than the writer themselves did to find the truth?

  5. The mention of Valentina Tereshkova is ridiculous. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Oh, please. Tereshkova was nothing but a political stunt (easily demonstrated by the fact that it took twenty years to get another woman into space). She wasn't even a pilot at all at the time when every astronaut candidate was expected to be an already accomplished test pilot. Cobb has more bragging rights that Tereshkova ever had. The same goes for the "Meanwhile, NASA wouldn’t open its astronaut ranks to women until 1978" sentence. The astronaut ranks in the USSR weren't really much better.

    outperforming practically all of the men

    It's ambiguous whether this means "practically all of the male candidates" or "practically all of the Mercury 7". The former is obvious, the latter isn't mentioned anywhere in TFA, and judging from the numbers ("the top 2% of all candidates", which counted five hundred), it's far from clear that this was the case.

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  6. Re:The mention of Valentina Tereshkova is ridiculo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cobb has more bragging rights that Tereshkova ever had

    That could very well be true, except for that one right the article is referring to -- the right to brag about being the first woman in space. That one belongs to Tereshkova and will, at least until facts mean more than rationalizations.

  7. Re:Women outside the house... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is a very good thing that slashdot is banned in the Middle East. Traitors here often discuss advanced technology that could be used by the Islamofascists to improve the deadliness of their makeshift terrorist devices.

  8. This Yeti/Area-51/LochNess story just won't die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    NASA did NOT test that group of women, and NOT to the same standards as the original astronauts. The ladies in question were sharp, physically fit, and had pilot's licenses BUT that's nearly the extent of their resume' overlap with the Mercury 7. Every few years some self-styled feminist guy or some ladies' magazine or website pretends nobody knows about ms. Cobb and her obviously unfairly overlooked sisters and then treats a generally ignorant public to tails of these superwomen being better than the men NASA chose but being overlooked because the nation was run by a bunch of "male chauvenist pigs". This is a re-writing of history by people who certainly know better but have outed themselves as unreliable sources of unbiased historical facts.

    Jerrie and her fellow would-be lady astronauts were on an "equal rights" political campaign. They set out to prove on their own that they should be allowed into the program and had they been a bunch of men with the EXACT SAME records nobody would have given them the time of day. Instead, over the years, they have been embraced as pioneers for women's rights and become celebrity causes. Government officials, always alert to politics and the need to have support from activists, have given them awards and lots of free complements in speeches (but notably NEVER slots on the astronaut corps, nor even guest roles as shuttle payloads like a couple of members of congress - Senator Garn and Senator Nelson should ring some bells...).

    NASA required all the original astronauts to have engineering degress and military flight experience in high-preformance jets (particularly choosing test pilots); this was not arbitrary - they wanted people with a PROVEN record of self control, proven affinity for understanding engineering, and a proven ability to remain calm and observant and carry out technical procedures while facing death. Neither Jerrie nor her fallow would-be lady astronauts fit the bill (just as most male aviators in the US also did not fit). Indeed, had the scope of astro candidates been expanded it still would not have included these women because there were plenty of other male miitary test pilots available with far better qualifications. When you have plenty of candidates who fit your requirements already, you do NOT add-in another set of unknowns and another set of hassles (like the need to deal with male AND female sanitary requirements, the need for a wider variety of spacesuit design features, etc) without some really good justifications. NASA accomodated women much later when it was appropriate - in the shuttle era. Had NASA in the late 1950s had a huge pool of qualified female test pilots and no qualified males, they would have gone with women and added men later.

    1. Re:This Yeti/Area-51/LochNess story just won't die by RazorSharp · · Score: 2

      Your thought process here is completely backwards. NASA's goal with the space missions was to get people into space and back to earth. This was not easy and required extremely capable individuals to carry out this mission. Had NASA wanted to ensure that both men and women were sent into space in the name of equality they would have had to delay the mission for several decades. This was because of the social conditions in the United States and you can harp on how terrible that was all you want, but that was a reality that had to be dealt with at the time. In the 50s you had a woman here or there who stood out at something or the other, but I sincerely doubt they could have found one who both met all the qualifications required of the program and also wanted to participate. This was only thirty years after women had acquired the right to vote. There weren't many (any) female military trained pilots who were also accomplished engineers and were in near perfect physical condition. Not even Jerrie Cobb. It's not because women lacked the potential, it's because society was not yet structured in such a way that they could realize that potential.

      You can call 1950s American society sexist and you'd be right. Of course, no one would care and there's nothing controversial about that statement. Calling NASA sexist for existing in the 1950s is just dumb.

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  9. K. S. Kyosuk - Re:She would've flunked the test by nukenerd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That reminds me of the old joke about the male athlete who planted someone else's urine to clear himself of doping charges. "We have two good news for you; first, you've been cleared of the charges, and second, you're pregnant."

    It happened - was a racing cyclist in the 1970's, possibly in the Tour de France. Dope tests were relatively new then and only used in the topmost races.

    The "other person" was his wife. The sample was given in front of a doctor, so "planting" someone else's urine would have been very difficult. The story I heard (as told in the "Cycling" newspaper) was that before the test he emptied his bladder behind the bushes and refilled with his wife's urine via a catheter. AFAIR he was not a top rider, just a lowly domestique desparate to stay in contact with the race. He was certainly not cleared of charges.

  10. Re:The mention of Valentina Tereshkova is ridiculo by gsslay · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A fair percentage of early space exploration was entirely political stunts. It was one of the driving forces that made it all happen.

    Doesn't mean it wasn't an achievement and Tereshkova has something that no-one can ever take away from her.

  11. Needs a new title. by sjwt · · Score: 2

    "Had NASA believed in randomly allowing people to not meet any qualifications other than the final testing.."

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  12. Females weren't considered at the time.... by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ....Because none of them had the type of test pilot experience necessary for the Mercury program in the USA or the Vostok program in the Soviet Union..

    We forget that at the time of the start of manned flights in 1961, it was an extreme unknown on how well an astronaut would handle a spacecraft in Earth orbit. As such, both the Americans and Russians chose trained test pilots, who had the ability to calmly handle any dangerous situation during a test flight. And in those days, only men met that qualification. It wasn't until the middle 1970's that both the Americans and Russians--based on their spaceflight experience--finally figured out how to choose females to become astronauts/cosmonauts on something besides a publicity stunt.

  13. Re:K. S. Kyosuk - Re:She would've flunked the test by Oligonicella · · Score: 4, Informative

    Snopes isn't so sure. "We haven't yet found a verified news report of a drug testee whose cheating was exposed when urinalysis revealed him to be pregnant. (Pregnancy tests aren't a standard part of the drug screening process.)"

  14. Re:"female" by qbast · · Score: 2

    Any psychologist would have field day with Freud.

  15. Re:The mention of Valentina Tereshkova is ridiculo by gsslay · · Score: 2

    I don't think that the USSR were making any particular statement about gender politics. They were simply looking to score another 'first'.

    There's also a suspicion that their statement was that their space industry was so advanced, that they could send up even a woman. So the exact opposite of a positive gender equality message.