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How Lobby Groups Rejected the Canadian Government's Plan To Combat Patent Trolls

An anonymous reader writes Michael Geist reports that according to documents recently obtained under the Access to Information Act, the Canadian government quietly proposed a series of reforms to combat patent trolls including new prohibitions on demand letters, powers to the courts to stop patent forum shopping, and giving competition authorities the ability to deal with patent troll anti-competitive activity. The problem? Business lobby groups warned against the "unintended consequences" of patent reforms.

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  1. Re: Free Market For the Win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hockey sticks eh?

  2. Who are these patent lobbyists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And who are backing them? Maybe they should suffer some very unintended consequences?

    1. Re:Who are these patent lobbyists? by JasonGoatcher · · Score: 0

      And who are backing them? Maybe they should suffer some very unintended consequences?

      You bring the lighter, I'll bring the paper bag filled with dog poo.

    2. Re:Who are these patent lobbyists? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more along the lines of torches and pitchforks.

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  3. Unintended Consquences by blueshift_1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    What a cute way of saying loss of campaign financing...

    1. Re:Unintended Consquences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      What a cute way of saying loss of campaign financing...

      Corporate donations for federal elections are prohibited by law in Canada, and individual contributions to political parties (including donations to registered candidates for a political party) are limited to $1200 per year.

      That being said, Canada's current ruling party has violated campaign financing rules in the past (see: In and Out scandal.)

    2. Re:Unintended Consquences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But really, campaign finance reform will work here, because, well, because magic.

    3. Re:Unintended Consquences by compro01 · · Score: 1

      That being said, Canada's current ruling party has violated campaign financing rules in the past (see: In and Out scandal.)

      See also : Del Mastro, though he's actually getting charged, 5 years after the fact.

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    4. Re:Unintended Consquences by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      Wow. And people still want to be in office? Must be nice in Canada. In America, no one in their right mind would get into politics unless it means a lot of money. The people of America are so hard to please...

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    5. Re:Unintended Consquences by dryeo · · Score: 1

      We still have the revolving door, especially with this government and the oil industry.

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    6. Re:Unintended Consquences by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Two bits of detail here:
      1) It was his own money he spent, not corporate donations. Which is still a no no. I think the deal was he spent about 20k of his own money over the limited cap, and tried to hide the fact.
      2) "getting" charged? So far as I am aware, there has been no consequences as yet (other than Harper throwing him under the bus as quick as could be). Anyway I will believe it when I see any results from it. My money is it gets dragged out long enough until no one knows or cares about it anymore, then it will just quietly disappear.

    7. Re:Unintended Consquences by compro01 · · Score: 1
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    8. Re:Unintended Consquences by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Wow, even more crooked than I thought...

      and yet since being changed, is he in jail? Has he paid a fine? Has their been any consequence whatsoever? Is he still an MP? How is it one can cheat to get elected, then somehow stay elected?

      As I said I'll wait and see, but I see the most likely result being it will be dragged out until it is no longer in the public eye, and he might pay some token fine or something.

  4. Not the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The troll problem is far less pronounced in Canada because of differences in how litigation works. It's much easier to sue someone in the US without fear of consequence or cost (besides your own legal fees and time).

  5. "Please keep up all barriers to competition" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course established businesses want to keep the current patent situation - they're already big enough to fight patent trolls if they want to.

    They want those patent trolls around to eat smaller competition that can't afford the fight.

  6. Simple solution ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Kill all the fucking lobbyists.

    I'm tired of rich corporations having more say in government than citizens.

    Kill the fucking lobbyists. Kill the people who pay for the lobbyists. Smack all politicians who meet with lobbyists about the head with a large stick.

    Corporate douchebag motherfuckers are ruining the world to maximize their own profits, while screwing the rest of us over.

    Fucking worthless parasites.

    1. Re:Simple solution ... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      A world where government runs roughshod over corporate centers of wealth (alternate power centers in memespeak) will continue to grow at the behest of The People until they do away with these alternate centers completely.

      Then you get dictatorship or communism, neither of which can hold a candle to freedom with capitalism-as-corollary of freedom.

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    2. Re:Simple solution ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pity Corporations don't actually believe in nor want capitalism. That means you have to compete and not rent seek.

    3. Re:Simple solution ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same for politicians.

    4. Re:Simple solution ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the basis of your claim is?

    5. Re:Simple solution ... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      You don't necessarily get dictatorship or communism (whatever you mean by that). Bureaucracy is probably more likely, with all meaningful decisions made by people you never heard of who are angry with their boss.

      Please note that this is a prediction based upon all major power being held by the government, and doesn't have any prediction about the ostensible form of the government, which may be any form of authoritarianism. This includes dictatorships, but it also included democracies. It's more a prediction about the form of administration than about the purported theory of government, of even its claimed mechanism.

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  7. Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by meustrus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The anti-troll measures described in TFA don't sounds to me like they would be particularly effective for most cases. Patent trolls seek out people for whom legal representation is likely to cost as much as a settlement, since those people don't have lawyers on staff and patents are a complicated and specialized field. What the measures would do is provide more opportunities for a lawyer to contest the patent letter. Since the typical targets tend to settle solely to avoid having to pay a lawyer, this will not help. What needs to happen instead is a mandatory notification in the demand letter of certain pieces of evidence which will automatically avoid patent fees if produced. I'm talking known prior art or existing license agreements, as well as other categories of potentially more complicated evidence to be created. Patent trolls thrive on the over-complication in the law, so the solution to them is to create short circuits to their lawsuits that protect 80% of the innocent without retaining a lawyer.

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    1. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem is, what is prior art? It's highly subjective and as such, the law is complicated.

      There is no reforming the current system. We need an entirely new system. As is, an inventor has basically no change to win. If he invents something, lawyers find a way to subtly change it to produce it without permission. Likewise, if they have something patented they again get lawyers to find a way to change it and extend that patent into perpetuity.

      Patents should be rare. Almost everything should be covered by short term copyright and trade secrets. Patents should only cover truly new and innovative tech. Smartphones are battery powered computers... there shouldn't be anything in them that's patentable. A new form of Fusion reactor? Ok... that's patent. I'd even propose that someone applying for a patent should have to get a court to approve the patent before it being granted.

    2. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem is, what is prior art? It's highly subjective and as such, the law is complicated.

      It's anything in the art that was published or available to the public prior to the filing date of the application. There's nothing subjective at all about it. The Model T is prior art for the Tesla Roadster. UNIVAC is prior art for the Macbook Pro.

      What you seem to be referring to is anticipatory prior art - that is, art that includes every element of a claimed invention. But even that is not subjective - either it describes the claimed features or it doesn't.

      What you really want to be referring to is "what is obvious?" And that's a little more subjective, but not as highly subjective as you think - under the current law, if no one reference describes everything in the claimed invention, nothing anticipates it or it is "new", but if a combination of references teach everything in it, then it's obvious. So, if the invention claims "A+B+C" and one piece of art teaches A+B and the the other teaches C, then A+B+C is obvious. That's not very subjective at all.

      There is no reforming the current system. We need an entirely new system. As is, an inventor has basically no change to win. If he invents something, lawyers find a way to subtly change it to produce it without permission.

      In other words, lawyers (or other engineers) find a way to invent around it. The public ends up with two ways to accomplish the same thing. Innovation is increased. Hooray!

      Likewise, if they have something patented they again get lawyers to find a way to change it and extend that patent into perpetuity.

      In other words, lawyers (or the inventor) find a way to invent around it, or come up with an improvement. The public ends up with two ways to accomplish the same thing, or a better way to accomplish the thing. Innovation is increased. Hooray!

      Patents should be rare. Almost everything should be covered by short term copyright and trade secrets. Patents should only cover truly new and innovative tech. Smartphones are battery powered computers... there shouldn't be anything in them that's patentable.

      What about the better batteries? What about wireless charging, fast charging, new battery management techniques that extend battery life, etc.? What about new transmission and data compression techniques that make that new smart phone able to communicate ten times faster, over ten times the distance, as the old model?

      A new form of Fusion reactor? Ok... that's patent. I'd even propose that someone applying for a patent should have to get a court to approve the patent before it being granted.

      But let's say we go with your suggestion... No patents since they'd be way too expensive if you have to go through an entire trial just to get exclusivity before you even start making your product. Instead, "short term copyright and trade secrets".

      Well, copyright doesn't apply to that smart phone, because when your competitor makes one, they're making a new one, not copying yours. In fact, copyright only really works when you're copying the exact thing - rip a DVD of Harry Potter and you've committed copyright infringement. Film the Mockbuster production Larry Kotter, and you haven't. Dream Heights isn't an infringement of Tiny Tower. GIMP isn't an infringement of Photoshop. A Nissan Leaf isn't an infringement of a Toyota Prius. As a result, copyright doesn't work when people care about the implementation, but not the exact thing. It's fine for movies and music and books, but not for software or hardware.

      So, we turn to trade secrets. Great, now you have to sign a contract with every piece of software or hardware you buy. And those contracts can last a lot longer than the limited term of a patent - they can be lifetime contracts. Don't like it, don't buy the software or hardware - but without patents, every

    3. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by HiThere · · Score: 1

      When a certain drug, whose active ingredients were asprin and something else, had its patents about to run out the maker "invented" a new durg that was the same except that the replaced asprin with aceteminophen. Patented that. and then withdrew the original from the market.

      Unfortunately for me, I react well to asprin, and aceteminophen doesn't do a thing for me. But the other version was no longer available.

      *I* did not find this an improvement, or an increase in innovation. Or anything else desireable.

      O, they also increased the price.

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    4. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

      When a certain drug, whose active ingredients were asprin and something else, had its patents about to run out the maker "invented" a new durg that was the same except that the replaced asprin with aceteminophen. Patented that. and then withdrew the original from the market.

      Aspirin is acetylsalicylic acid or 2-(acetyloxy)benzoic acid. Acetaminophen is N-(4-hydroxyphenyl)ethanamide. It's an entirely different chemical. They didn't "invent" a new drug - they actually did invent a new drug.

      And as you note, the two have different effects. Acetaminophen can be particularly bad for livers in high doses.

      And finally, your timeline is off. The patents on aspirin expired in 1917. Acetaminophen was released in 1956. Aspirin was widely available at that time, with many different manufacturers competing.

    5. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by bob.lansdorp · · Score: 1

      When a certain drug, whose active ingredients were asprin and something else, had its patents about to run out the maker "invented" a new durg that was the same except that the replaced asprin with aceteminophen. Patented that. and then withdrew the original from the market.

      Aspirin is acetylsalicylic acid or 2-(acetyloxy)benzoic acid. Acetaminophen is N-(4-hydroxyphenyl)ethanamide. It's an entirely different chemical. They didn't "invent" a new drug - they actually did invent a new drug.

      And as you note, the two have different effects. Acetaminophen can be particularly bad for livers in high doses.

      And finally, your timeline is off. The patents on aspirin expired in 1917. Acetaminophen was released in 1956. Aspirin was widely available at that time, with many different manufacturers competing.

      lol I have never seen a post dismantled like that... nice job!

    6. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      More often it's a patent on the "all new time-release capsule version of Medication A". Essentially the same stuff, packaged differently. The stuff's not new, the packaging's not new, but putting the stuff in the packaging gets awarded a new 20 year monopoly. The worst case I've read of for this was when asthma inhalers were forced to be reformulated to take out ozone-depleting propellants. So they used a new propellant and got a new monopoly, and a cheap, established medication became very expensive again, since the generics were monopolized off the shelves. No invention, per se. Just abuse of the patent system.

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    7. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by spitzak · · Score: 1

      The patent was not on aspirin, it was on combining aspirin with another drug.

    8. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by Altrag · · Score: 1

      So, if the invention claims "A+B+C" and one piece of art teaches A+B and the the other teaches C, then A+B+C is obvious. That's not very subjective at all.

      I disagree here. Sometimes the non-obvious part is that C can be combined with A+B in a useful manner in the first place.

    9. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      So, if the invention claims "A+B+C" and one piece of art teaches A+B and the the other teaches C, then A+B+C is obvious. That's not very subjective at all.

      I disagree here. Sometimes the non-obvious part is that C can be combined with A+B in a useful manner in the first place.

      That's actually the counter-argument: reference 1 teaches A+B, reference 2 teaches C, so they're obvious? No, because combining them is a biatch and raises additional problems, or combining them is unforeseeable because they're so widely different that they result in an unpredictable result, etc., etc. :)

      That argument generally works better on the pharmaceutical side, where some benzene ring with a hydroxil component may be beneficial if it hangs off the first carbon, really beneficial if it hangs off the second, and absolutely toxic if hangs off the third. Doesn't work as well on the high tech/software side, where including a library or function in a program should have an absolutely predictable result. So, instead, it's better to argue that neither reference actually teaches "B" or something.

    10. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by meustrus · · Score: 1

      Combining A+B and C may not be easy, but it is obvious. This is actually the main problem I see with software patents: idea C is "with a computer", and A+B is some existing invention. Newspapers - on a computer! Alarm clocks - on a computer! Bank transactions - on a computer! Sure it was hard to program them. It's still obvious. But if securing the bank transactions requires new innovations in security technology to glue the pieces together, those innovations could merit patent D. Does not and should not prevent anybody else from making their own secure bank transactions with a different security method because somebody got an A+B+C patent covering the obvious part.

      Really not understanding your point about pharmaceuticals. How is the benzene ring different from "including a library or function in a program [which] should have an absolutely predictable result"? I do agree though that pharmaceuticals are a bit different than other patent issues, but for a different reason: selling a drug requires round after round of expensive clinical trials because of the FDA. Without exclusivity, there may not be enough incentive for drug companies to pay for those trials if a generic manufacturer can reverse engineer the same drug and sell it on the cheap without paying for the trials. Maybe the FDA should have its own special exclusivity granting system so we can peel off one of the complications of patent law.

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    11. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by meustrus · · Score: 1

      Truly sorry about that, but I don't see how patent reform would solve your problem. The way I see it, your problem is that they "withdrew the original from the market". Not that they invented a slightly different version. They may have done it because it enabled them to charge more for the newer drug sold for the same purpose, but you can't force a company to make what you want. Without the original patent, they may not have ever been able to sell either drug anyway.

      Drug combinations are a strange beast that probably should not be patentable the same way as the individual compounds. Personally I prefer to buy the individuals and combine them myself. It certainly helps when I have a cough and sinus swelling, but not a runny nose or a fever or any sort of pain, so I really don't want to be taking an antihistamine or a pain killer in some all-in-one. It also helps to avoid phenylephrine, the "fake" sudafed that doesn't work but can't be used to make meth so it's easier to sell. They put that shit in everything. Anyway, I really hope that the "something else" in your preferred drug is available on its own.

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    12. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by HiThere · · Score: 1

      It wasn't a patent on asprin, it was a patent on asprin + ? . Later it was a patent on aceteminophen + ? (the same ?).

      I don't remember what the ? was, and since the new formulation didn't do me any good I no longer take it.

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    13. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      Combining A+B and C may not be easy, but it is obvious. This is actually the main problem I see with software patents: idea C is "with a computer", and A+B is some existing invention. Newspapers - on a computer! Alarm clocks - on a computer! Bank transactions - on a computer! Sure it was hard to program them. It's still obvious. But if securing the bank transactions requires new innovations in security technology to glue the pieces together, those innovations could merit patent D. Does not and should not prevent anybody else from making their own secure bank transactions with a different security method because somebody got an A+B+C patent covering the obvious part.

      Definitely, and that should be the answer to those:
      "Alarm clock, on a computer!"
      "That's obvious. Alarm clocks and computers both exist."

      "But this was difficult because [intricate problem that's different with computer clocks] and we had to do [intricate solution]."
      "Then put that in the patent claims."

      Good patent examiners currently do that, but there's a bunch of terrible stuff out there.

      Really not understanding your point about pharmaceuticals. How is the benzene ring different from "including a library or function in a program [which] should have an absolutely predictable result"?

      Combine a program and a library and even before hitting compile, you should be able to tell exactly what the result is. Combine a benzene ring and a hydroxide compound and even if you done it at one position, move it someplace else and it could have the opposite effect. It's unpredictable.

      I do agree though that pharmaceuticals are a bit different than other patent issues, but for a different reason: selling a drug requires round after round of expensive clinical trials because of the FDA. Without exclusivity, there may not be enough incentive for drug companies to pay for those trials if a generic manufacturer can reverse engineer the same drug and sell it on the cheap without paying for the trials. Maybe the FDA should have its own special exclusivity granting system so we can peel off one of the complications of patent law.

      True. Pharmaceuticals don't really seem to mesh with patent law anyway - right now, a company will defend their patent application as I did above, saying that the result of any compound is absolutely unpredictable, so therefore, nothing is ever obvious in drugs... and then when they get the patent and some competitors makes a biosimilar drug, that first company will leap up and say it's just an obvious variation on the patent and is covered under the doctrine of equivalents.

    14. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Posting a few examples of obvious combinations does not preclude the existence of non-obvious combinations. Especially if you expand your definition of patents to all patents rather than being limited to software patents (which have a very poor history of failing the obviousness claim even if you ignore all of the "X on a computer but otherwise unchanged"-type patents.)

      And yes. Including a library in a program should have a predictable result. The part that could potentially be non-obvious is deciding to include that specific library in the first place. This is again a pretty poor example though as the fact that a library already exists means that its meant to be included in programs. Software in general is really not the place to find truly innovative A+B+C ideas, since in most cases if A+B and C exist independently and they're useful together, chances are many places are already using them as independent entities and yes its then obvious to combine them into a single software package. It would have to be tremendously off-the-wall for an A+B+C type idea to actually be new in the software world given a pre-existing A+B and a pre-existing C.

      But how about a piece of wire and a small glass vase? Those "obviously" go together, don't they? Well its a little more obvious if you already know what a light bulb is than if you're just looking at a couple of random things on your work bench. But we certainly knew what wire was and we certainly knew how to blow glass before Edison (*cough*) figured out how to put them together in the right manner.

      Who would have thought that SMS-length text messages would be useful to anyone outside of ancient cell phones? Well, Twitter did. They're not particularly small or unknown. I have no idea if they actually tried to patent anything.. but its certainly not obvious to limit message sizes so much on a medium where walls of text with embedded movies and whatever else is commonplace.

    15. Re:Probably the wrong way to fight it anyway by meustrus · · Score: 1

      A light bulb is not just a wire in a vase, FYI. First, the "wire", or filament, has to be a specific compound that generates light when electrified. As it turned out, every material they could find that would do that would also catch on fire and burn up. So the major innovation of the light bulb is the manufacturing process that removes all the oxygen from inside the bulb (leaving either vacuum or an inert gas) so that the filament does not combust. If we actually had all of that technology before the invention of the light bulb, it would not have taken an Edison-level inventor to put it all together.

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  8. Re:Fuck you american money by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    You happily take the product of our astounding invention rates, while shitting all over the process.

    You, and Europe, and the rest of the world should be more like us, not the other way around.

    7 billion people churning out inventions at the same rate as the 320 million in the US would be magnificent for increasing the quality and length of life.

    Anything else is literally mass-murderous.

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  9. What "uninteded consequences" ? by mooingyak · · Score: 1

    Are these concerns listed anywhere? I don't want to assume they're unreasonable or far-fetched without having seen them. Or is "unintended consequences" about as much details as was given during lobbying?

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    1. Re:What "uninteded consequences" ? by TimTucker · · Score: 1

      Are these concerns listed anywhere? I don't want to assume they're unreasonable or far-fetched without having seen them. Or is "unintended consequences" about as much details as was given during lobbying?

      Unintended consequence: if you support what they're lobbying against, you may find yourself receiving less campaign contributions when you're up for re-election.

    2. Re:What "uninteded consequences" ? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Not in Canada where corporations are not allowed to contribute and people are limited to around $1200. More likely "wouldn't want an accidental leak of where your money came from would you" or "do you expect a nice well paying job after you leave office?"

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  10. Re:Fuck you american money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yawn. We are plenty corrupt on our own. Trying to blame it on the Americans is laughable.

  11. pdf mentions a couple of things by raymorris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The pdf linked in the article mentions a few points. The following is my understanding of what they said. It doesn't represent my opinion.

        The commenters generally agreed that patent trolling isn't currently a big problem in Canada. Canadian companies are affected more by US trolls, because the Canadian system already handles it pretty well. Therefore "don't fix it if it ain't broke". Any change will have good and bad consequences, and Canada doesn't need much good consequences.

    Universities were given as an example of institutions which do real, valuable research and development, but don't manufacture products. They license their technology, so they are non-practicing entities. How do you legally distinguish a research institution and a company who licenses the results of that work vs a troll?

    I happen to know that the vast majority of trolling is done by four companies. Hundreds of thousands of people have patents. The challenge is to target those four needles in a very large haystack. When you're targeting a needle in a haystack, and want to destroy the needle (troll) without harming the hay (inventors etc) you want to use precision tools.

  12. Re:Fuck you american money by Safety+Cap · · Score: 1

    A huge amount of the patents approved in the US boil down to "a system and methodology for doing something well known, but with a (computer|cell phone|tablet)". They're crap patents.

    You're not innovating,

    Yes, we are! We have increased efficiency! Used to be that one had to actually invent something useful, but we've found a way to go around all that, going directly from "something already done often, and by many" to "magic computer pixie dust, nyeh!" in one step.

    And the vast majority of these patents are paid for by your asshole corporations with the full knowledge they're lousy patents to begin with.

    It is the nature of capitalism to do the least possible to get the most profit. Reduce effort to zero and profit goes to infinity!

    Fuck America and your deluded view about how awesome you are.

    And yet, "Canada's Pants" runs the whole show.

    You're a country which started off ignoring everyone else's patents and copyrights. So why the hell should the rest of the world give a shit about the stuff you do? Especially since you often just patent things other people have already invented.

    Because we convinced you that we're too legit to quit. NOW who's the sucker?

    Americunts go fuck yourself.

    We do, regularly, and dry, too. Ever hear of Ferguson?

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  13. Re:Fuck you american money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    7 billion people churning out inventions at the same rate as the 320 million in the US would be magnificent for increasing the quality and length of life.

    yeah fuck the 3-4 billion of them to self occupied with simply surviving. lazy pieces of shit amirite

  14. The transcript doesn’t show a lot of push-ba by davecb · · Score: 2

    IMHO, These are far too rational for Mr Moore to get past cabinet, as they might be seen as desirable regulation. The politics of the day is to avoid regulating (ie, policing) industry.

    They're directly applicable to copyright trolling, by the way, and quite a good idea. I'll suggest that.

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  15. Re:Free Market For the Win! by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

    Nice strawman, there. A free market would have no patents at all. Also, this is the government and corporations cooperating to screw the people.

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  16. heaven forbid! by silfen · · Score: 1

    We can't have people give their input on legislation that would affect them! When our legislators are having second thoughts, it must obviously because they are all corrupt! Only publicly financed non-profits and academics should ever be able to comment on legislation!

    1. Re:heaven forbid! by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Actually under this government, if a non-profit negatively comments on legislation, they get audited by the Canada Revenue Service. Shit a bird watchers society wrote a minister about bee colony collapse, the answer they got back was that since they were being political, they were going to get audited.

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    2. Re:heaven forbid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they'll probably not be a non-profit much longer. You only stay a non-profit if you are in bed with the right people. My point exactly.

  17. What was again the textbook example of terrorism? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Something about wanting to influence politics by force or threat of force... something like that...

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  18. Kill Everyone in Unions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, do you propose killing everyone in unions? Everyone who has a pension fund? These "Rich corporations" are merely groups of people. That is ALL they are. A corporation is a group of people. Most of the publicly traded companies are owned in a large part by pension funds. Doesn't sound so good to say that we should kill all the pensioners, does it?

  19. Re: Fuck you american money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming that you really are canuck, you realize that you have access to lithium. Right?
    You should restart it.