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Will Fiber-To-the-Home Create a New Digital Divide?

First time accepted submitter dkatana writes Having some type of fiber or high-speed cable connectivity is normal for many of us, but in most developing countries of the world and many areas of Europe, the US, and other developed countries, access to "super-fast" broadband networks is still a dream. This is creating another "digital divide." Not having the virtually unlimited bandwidth of all-fiber networks means that, for these populations, many activities are simply not possible. For example, broadband provided over all-fiber networks brings education, healthcare, and other social goods into the home through immersive, innovative applications and services that are impossible without it. Alternatives to fiber, such as cable (DOCSYS 3.0), are not enough, and they could be more expensive in the long run. The maximum speed a DOCSYS modem can achieve is 171/122 Mbit/s (using four channels), just a fraction the 273 Gbit/s (per channel) already reached on fiber.

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  1. No. by sexconker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It won't.

    1. Re:No. by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't worry! Service providers usually aim for the lowest common denominator to maximize their market, so a divide means you won't have haves and have-nots. Just have-nots.

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    2. Re:No. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just to elaborate...the author is extremely vague here. Let's just pick an arbitrary number, say 10mbit, which is actually quite slow (in my opinion, but the local cable co provides 150mbit connections, and just started rolling out gigabit, so maybe I'm biased.)

      Anyways what services CAN'T you obtain at 10mbit? Nothing health related comes to mind, nothing education related comes to mind, and social goods..what the FUCK does that even mean? Anyways, a 10mbit link is fully capable of streaming 1080p video, which is about the most demanding consumer grade application I can think of.

      Therefore, I have no idea what possible "divide" the author could be referring to. Furthermore, the author strikes me as being grossly uneducated about the topic because of the blatant misspelling of the acronym DOCSIS.

      If he wants to make a better case (which it sounds like he's pushing for some kind of socialist and/or social justice agenda) then he should at the very least give examples of WHAT, EXACTLY these people wouldn't have access to.

      He would have a case for a slow upstream (it's common for DSL providers to only provide less than megabit data rates) in health care if, say for example, a medical practitioner needed an HD video feed to evaluate their patient (which doesn't seem to be a likely scenario) but he didn't state that. But, that still doesn't apply to anything else he mentioned.

    3. Re:No. by Bengie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When you kid is downloading some patches from Steam, Blizzard, and who knows what, all at the same time, while running BitTorrent to get the newest Linux ISOs, and remote backing up your computer.

      You should not notice any issues. If you do, you don't have enough bandwidth.

      Let me repeat... You should not EVER have thing think about your bandwidth or how you are using your internet connection. If you ever have to stop and think, "why is this slow", you don't have enough. You should have to micromanage what is ran and when, or who can do what at what times, etc.

      We have the technology to provide every user so much bandwidth, that it's nearly impossible for them to ever run into an issue of using it all.

  2. Nope. by Moof123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fiber is no panacea. It is still controlled by terrible ISP's that throttle reflexively and go cheap on the back haul. Frontier has made comments about offering much faster speeds over existing fiber connections, but only after Google started making serious noise about bringing in their own fiber option. The higher speeds were not available for purchase, so fiber gets us 20 Mb/s. It is not slow as such, but the speed offerings haven't changed in years, and to discussed 100 Mb/s is still just a press release to quell the masses. 20 Mb/s over fiber is just pretty lame as their best foot forward.

  3. Re:So Who Cares by Wycliffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree. There are probably a few applications (like video conferencing with your doctor) that might need a slightly
    higher bandwidth but nothing that should significantly affect a person's standard of living.
    I'm a computer programmer who works from home and I'm on a 1M/256k connection. It serves my needs just fine.
    I can't stream high quality videos but VOIP works fine as do 100% of all websites, job applications, etc...
    Internet access is quickly becoming a basic necessity for stuff like emails, applying for jobs, buying stuff online,
    and paying bills but there are no critical applications yet that require an ultra high speed connection yet.

  4. Let's solve basic connectivity first by slaker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I live 40 miles southeast of Chicago. My community has access to high speed internet, but going much farther south or east, the options for faster-than-dialup services evaporate. Huge parts of the US aren't even served by 3G cell service or DSL lines, let alone cable internet. Let's solve that problem. It's far more important in the big picture than getting enough bandwidth to stream a dozen 4k streams for some theoretical 5% of the USA that has been gifted with fiber-based connectivity.

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  5. Re:Spoiled much? by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Name ONE use case other than streaming multiple 4K video channels which REQUIRES anything more than the 6.5Mbit/s connection

    Remote support of friends and families running GUI enabled operating systems.

    Telecommuting (basically the same thing as above but for money)

    Usable WAN backup and recovery.

    Family and friends VPN.

    Imagine anything you do at your job and imagine doing that between your friends and family or with some commercial cloud provider. The same goes for stuff you do at home and just want to extend over a larger network.

    If you can't figure out what to do with a better-than-a-cablemodem networking then you really don't have any imagination at all.

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  6. Re:Telecommuting is now a real thing by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    20 person meetings are generally a complete waste of time for the 19 who aren't monologuing.

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  7. Re:DOCSYS? by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is not at all true. A single fiber cannot handle the world's internet bandwidth. And the PON systems used for homes don't even dedicate 1Gbit to each termination (house). You don't have a dedicated connection to a chassis with 2,000 other customers, you are PON split from a single fiber with a lot of other houses, then that goes to a chassis.

    "It doesn't matter how it is shared as long as there is no congestion." is a useless truism. It's true for copper too.

    I think it's hilarious that you think that your ISP is only oversubscribing their links 2x (2,000 1Gb connections to 1Tb backhaul). That's fantasyland at the prices that residential customers pay.

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  8. Re:Why South Korea and Japan can do it and USA can by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    S.Korea is much smaller than the US so the cost to provide gigabit internet is lower as you need less manpower, fewer routers and shorter cables to connect.

    This argument comes up every time people discuss American internet rates. It is nonsense. The overall population density makes NO difference. Only the local density matters. There is no reason that someone living in New York City should pay more for internet because there is a lot of empty space in Arizona. Furthermore, there is little correlation between density and cost. Small towns generally do not have more expensive internet than large cities. And there are plenty of countries with population densities lower than America, that nonetheless have cheaper and faster internet.