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Sale of IBM's Chip-Making Business To GlobalFoundries To Get US Security Review

dcblogs writes IBM is an officially sanctioned trusted supplier to the U.S. Defense Dept., and the transfer of its semiconductor manufacturing to GlobalFoundries, a U.S.-based firm owned by investors in Abu Dhabi, will get U.S. scrutiny. Retired U.S. Army Brig. Gen. John Adams, who authored a report last year for an industry group about U.S. supply chain vulnerabilities and national security, said regulators will have to look closely. "I don't want cast aspersions unnecessarily on Abu Dubai — but they're not Canada," said Adams "I think that the news that we may be selling part of our supply chain for semiconductors to a foreign investor is actually bad news."

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  1. Abu Dubai???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You mean Abu Dhabi? Dice, fire Timothy at once!

    1. Re:Abu Dubai???? by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And we all know neither Abu Dhabi nor Dubai are in Canada. I don't know why it was necessary to point that out.

      He didn't say they aren't in Canada, he said they aren't Canada. Basically, he thinks Canada is unlikely to sabotage or spy on the US but someone in Middle-East might get ideas. Which is a valid concern and deserves consideration.

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  2. Wake up America ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How long are you going to keep pretending that you are doing anything other than sinking into irrelevance?

    If you don't make anything, and you have to buy it from the global market ... do you really still think you're innovating and pioneering?

    Or will you finally realize your corporations are destroying your economy, and leaving you as a bunch of whiny bitches sitting on the sidelines still thinking you're awesome?

    1. Re:Wake up America ... by glrotate · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is just evidence that the US has progressed beyond high tech manufacturing - a 20th century legacy industry.

      The US is now fully connected and chooses to specialize in bleeding edge products like selfies.

    2. Re:Wake up America ... by Glasswire · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nonsense, the biggest fabs of the biggest semiconductor company in the world, making the most advanced microprocessors are located in the US at Oregon and Arizona sites. It's a little company called Intel.

    3. Re:Wake up America ... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you don't make anything, and you have to buy it from the global market ... do you really still think you're innovating and pioneering?

      Yes. Innovation occurs during conception and design, not manufacturing. Apple makes hundreds of dollars for every iPhone sold, because they own the design. Foxconn makes ten bucks for manufacturing it.

      But this is a silly discussion, since manufacturing is NOT declining in America. America is the world's second biggest manufacturer, with nearly $2 trillion in annual output. What has declined, is not manufacturing, but manufacturing employment, due to automation, and offshoring of the most labor intensive sectors. Since 1975, manufacturing employment in America has declined by 30%, while manufacturing output has doubled.

    4. Re:Wake up America ... by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      " What has declined, is not manufacturing, but manufacturing employment, due to automation, and offshoring of the most labor intensive sectors."

      And that's good?

      I know that the bright rosy future prediction is that everyone is going to jump on board the knowledge worker train and deliver high quality services and creative goods. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but have you taken a look around at the _average_ person lately? That average person used to be employed in a factory making a living wage doing a repetitive task suitable for their ability level. The reality is that you can't just plug someone like that into, say, an IT or project management job. There is a continuum of IQ and skills, and a healthy economy needs to account for the low end and the high end. You can't just shunt off the low end to fast food, Walmart and unemployment without fixing some of the imbalance, or you will have French Revolution 2.0 on your hands.

      I think the future is a lot more bleak -- you're going to have over half the population running around with no income and no way to make a decent living, and the rich who don't want to do anything about it because they've earned their money in their mind.

    5. Re:Wake up America ... by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      Making things is so 20th century. The future is advertising funny cat videos to each other.

    6. Re:Wake up America ... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And that's good?

      Yes. Wealth is created by the production of goods and services, not by "keeping people busy". So if we can produce more, with less labor, that is a good thing.

      You can't just shunt off the low end to fast food, Walmart and unemployment without fixing some of the imbalance

      Then you fix the imbalance. In America, the bottom quintile already get 40% of their income from redistribution. Providing something like an earned income tax credit to top up the income of people in service jobs makes a lot more sense than keeping people in make-work manufacturing jobs, doing things that a machine can do better.

    7. Re:Wake up America ... by ErichTheRed · · Score: 2

      "make-work manufacturing jobs"

      Here's the problem with that statement -- most jobs are make-work jobs. I've been employed in IT for almost 20 years now, and have seen lots of shifts in corporate employment as well as manufacturing. I worked in a bank way back in the day where they had a dozen people employed scanning paper checks as they came in from branches. I worked in a life insurance company whose old-timers told me that they literally had a whole floor of people opening mail, processing premium payments and mailing out bills. Each one of those people had a job to go to, a steady income and at least something to do to fill their day.

      Should we go back to paper-routing employment? Probably not. But I doubt any one of those routine office workers was equipped to manage a project, design a computer system, or create great works of art. People who are unemployed with nothing to do aren't just going to sit around idle -- when things get bad enough they are going to turn to crime or revolt. There is absolutely no appetite in the current political climate to subsidize the unemployed -- look at how much hand-wringing there is about extending unemployment for the long-term unemployed. These are people who have been unemployed for *years* and most likely have no hope of finding meaningful work again. So, it's a great idea, but no one is going to go for it. Even the working poor have been conditioned that the unemployed are lazy.

    8. Re:Wake up America ... by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wealth is created by the production of goods and services, not by "keeping people busy". So if we can produce more, with less labor, that is a good thing.

      It's good for those who get to fire workers and pocket their wages as profit, yes. It's bad for those workers who now have to make do with miserly unemployment benefits, and demonized for it by both their former employers and peers. It's bad for the remaining employees, who get worse pay and more crap due to fiercer competition for the remaining available jobs. And it's bad for everyone once there's enough people getting the short end of the stick that they'll just grab it and beat their masters to death with it.

      Then you fix the imbalance.

      You can't, because the culture won't allow that. Any attempt to either narrow the income gap or make it possible for the unemployed to live an independent middle-class life will be instantly declared "socialist", and rightly so. Automation is fundamentally incompatible with capitalism, or at least a version of capitalism where people are expected to "earn" their income by working. Just look at how much hate "welfare queens" get, despite that being the only alternative to busywork that doesn't result in social collapse.

      Basically, a post-industrial society will either unconditionally pay its citizens their upkeep with no strings attached, be a more or less horrible dystopia where that upkeep comes with submitting to arbitrary rules like taking drug tests or doing pointless busywork, or collapse in a violent uprising. And I think we all know which one Americans will never, ever, under any circumstances allow their neighbours, even if that means denying it to themselves.

      It's a pity, really. Once upon the time American Dream was a plot of land, since that's what it took to be independent. Then it became a pot of gold, because again that's what it takes to be free from having to bow to your local Count von Bastardessen to get food. And now, with everything getting automated, everyone could have their virtual plot of land - their share of the automated manufacturing resources, granted in the form of citizen pay - but that's not going to happen. But perhaps the developing countries will take note, and avoid the collapse ahead of us.

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    9. Re:Wake up America ... by Matheus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This.

      Honestly I'm a big fan of the Star Trek future however possible that may be. If through automation / etc the needs of *all can be produced by an extreme few why do we need to continue the philosophy that everyone must earn money to survive. I'm not for pure socialism but I have no problem with the safety net being high enough that everyone can do "good" on "nothing" not just eek by. Choosing to live on that minimum is a choice that is perfectly valid for all and not even to be shunned. That leaves those who want to follow their interests the freedom to do so without having to worry about where the shelter over their head or the food on their next plate is coming from.

      There are all sorts of logistical issues to work out for that dream to be a reality (not the least of which is making sure enough people work for their own benefit to keep the engine running) and our level of automation isn't quite there yet to support it but that's the future I want to live in.

    10. Re:Wake up America ... by Jawnn · · Score: 2

      And that's good?

      Yes. Wealth is created by the production of goods and services, not by "keeping people busy". So if we can produce more, with less labor, that is a good thing.

      No. Not if your economy was built on a large and healthy middle class. Oh, by "wealth" you were referring to the one percent. Then yes, you're absolutely right.

    11. Re:Wake up America ... by sgt_doom · · Score: 2

      So, you are telling me that all those engineers, programmers and research scientists I have known, and many others I have read about and corresponded with, who have had their jobs offshored, don't exist? You really have an imaginary mindset. Things are far bleaker than you can imagine, bubba!

      Take a close look at the GDP, then come back and dare tell me we have an economy any longer in Amerika!

    12. Re:Wake up America ... by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      "some magic fairy version of capitalism where no jobs are eliminated but everyone has a better standard of living."

      You mean the actual version of captialism that actually occurred in economic history, where everyone's standard of living has actually risen and more people are actually employed?

    13. Re:Wake up America ... by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 2

      There's *always* work to be done. Employing additional cleaners / landscapers to keep facilities looking tidy is one that immediately comes to mind, and one that cannot be easily automated. "Peace officers" (unarmed cops) in neighborhoods to help keep crime down and give people directions. Additional secretaries in offices. Additional window people at post offices and the DMV to help speed lines. I would very much like unemployment insurance to be replaced with (intended to be temporary) low-skill government jobs.

    14. Re:Wake up America ... by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      There is was an old joke about digging a canal in South America.

      The local Dictator brimming with pride shows a visiting group of foreign dignitaries a gang of workers digging the new canal using pick axe and shovel.

      The American industrialist says: why are they using shovels surely you could get a loan against the future revenues to purchase heavy equipment get the project done sooner start collecting tolls right way.

      The Dictator replies: Ah but this employees more people.

      The visiting economist asks: Would it not be better to have them use spoons.

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    15. Re:Wake up America ... by sjames · · Score: 2

      The problem is that such work quite often doesn't pay as well or offer as much opportunity for advancement. The result will push an ever increasing share of the population into the bottom quintile.

      There would need to be a significant hike in the minimum wage to prevent turning that into a powderkeg of social unrest.

    16. Re:Wake up America ... by sjames · · Score: 2

      So your solution is to declare that it's not worth finding a solution and waiting for the poor to burn your town?

    17. Re:Wake up America ... by sjames · · Score: 2

      A real attraction to that future is the probability that a fair number of people will take advantage of the ability to devote their time to pursuits that don't have to pay off in the short term and as a result create great advances for our society. There's probably a lot of great ideas out there that will never come to anything because people have to wear themselves out meeting basic needs.

    18. Re:Wake up America ... by Goldsmith · · Score: 2

      Intel is indeed great, technically better than anything else out there and will probably continue to be so. There are several other large companies from telecom to biotech who also have in-house fabs in the USA and they will do great things. But IBM was the last significant stateside fab house that would work on external government contracts and work for small outside users.

      The best we have now for small business electronics development or advanced academic work are training clean rooms like the various CNSEs out there, and that's a scary thought.

  3. Who is we? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

    "We're selling part of our supply chain"? Who is "we"? Is the Government owning IBM now?

  4. Re:For better or for worse by tomhath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    no private company would want to work with government, because the government would want to get the maximum benefit for the least price

    That is no different from selling to any other customer

  5. need permission to LOSE money? by gelfling · · Score: 2

    If the government has any objections then the government should buy it.

  6. Domestic sourcing required? by ErichTheRed · · Score: 2

    One of the things I have in the cobwebs of my brain is that IBM does or did manufacture mainframes and POWER systems that were assembled entirely in the US and had a known trail for all the non-US components. This was for government/military customers who required the security of at least on-shore assembly. Now that a foreign company is going to be controlling IBM's fabs, maybe that's why the deal is getting scrutiny.

    I hope we don't end up in another world war situation where our supply chains get cut off, but you never know sometimes. Imagine what kind of trouble we would be in if all of a sudden we cut off all trade with China. In order to not cause disruption, we would basically have to restart manufacturing of everything in the country overnight. Actually, that might not be a bad idea since we hardly make anything here anymore. The other good reason would be that it would finally make the average citizen feel the pinch of a wartime economy. WW2 was the last time full-scale rationing of consumer goods was required, as well as the nationalization of industrial capacity. Vietnam was the last time a mandatory military draft was needed. Since then, all the conflicts have been kind of shrugged off by the average person since it didn't affect them.

    I know, global economy and all that, but I do see things getting a little messy when automation takes away the majority of jobs in this country, and limits the growth potential for all developing countries.

  7. Government again sells security to highest bidder by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That started with Reagan, who was happy to buy Saudi Oil rather than try and change the USA's energy picture. Sure. No security issue there.

    So now we're selling our chip-making infrastructure. But what's one more attack vector? We're already dependent on chips made in China and software coded in India. I guess having our supplies cut off by Abu Dhabi couldn't be much worse.

    It's all about moneyed interests. Countries are an illusion designed to keep the little people from revolting, which will continue to work until there's not enough affordable oil to keep cheap food, entertainment and drugs coming down the pipeline. After that, all bets are off.

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  8. Wrong criterion by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, the government's job is infrastructure, and other things that can be described as natural monopolies. If the start-up costs for a business are in the tens- to hundreds-of-billions, there isn't going to be much in the way of competition no matter what the industry is. If it's actually vital that said industry exists, it makes sense to nationalize it.

    However, if competition is possible, it should be encouraged. There's no reason to nationalize SecureWidgetCo if a dozen people could take their place tomorrow, even if they only sell to the government.

    It's clear that if the US Government wants to be sure of its chip supply, it needs to be in business for itself. The ultimate reason is not however that it's inherently inefficient for the government to enter into contracts with private companies, but that large scale microchip fabrication is so expensive that no (private, US) company is willing to do it.

    P.S. With respect, if your response to this is that natural monopolies do not exist, please save yourself the trouble of responding.

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    1. Re:Wrong criterion by Matheus · · Score: 2

      Honestly I find this to all be overblown... Really curious how much actual IBM chips the US Gov't is buying these days? My former employer did nearly all of their business with the US. (We also went through US Gov't Review when we were purchased by a foreign entity and it was severely painful how it all ended up but I digress...) Working for several of the Acronyms IBM hardware was ever-present BUT it was all Intel inside. The new super computers we see being built are all Intel or AMD cored. There is a LOT of hardware I'm sure is rotting in some massive server farm somewhere so maintenance has to be an issue but we really saw no signs in any Department of *any new acquisition with IBM chips under the hood.

      Of course I'm glossing over the various other chips on a server MB that may be fabbed by IBM directly but else seems like a lot of noise for a supplier that they are not utilizing any more. I would think it would be a bigger deal that IBM sold their server division to Lenovo since they are heavily using IBM Server Hardware and Lenovo is originally a Chinese company but maybe I just missed that piece of news.

    2. Re:Wrong criterion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      DoD uses PowerPC-based chips in nearly every tank, aircraft, helicopter, satellite, and smart weapon in its inventory, all manufactured by IBM's fab through the trusted foundry program. It's actually a pretty big deal.

    3. Re:Wrong criterion by weilawei · · Score: 2

      So, I'm not Mr. AC up there, but you seem to be unwilling to read simple English. Let's try this again... (I'm probably feeding a troll, but hey, worth a shot, right?)

      You said, "Like, you know, that nasty foreign company Intel?"
      They said, "Intel isn't necessarily interested in making the chips that the Gov't wants, or this article would probably not exist."
      Then, you replied, "So what do you call Intel?"

      They already told you what they call Intel. A company that isn't interested. Yeah, sure, they do large scale chip manufacturing, but if they're NOT INTERESTED in making THOSE SPECIFIC CHIPS, then they might as well not exist for the purposes of this discussion.

      Their comment didn't ignore you. You ignored them, not once, but TWICE now (also counting the comment I'm replying to, since you clearly didn't re-read their comment).

      I know reading is a lost art, and it's practically sacrilege on Slashdot, but give it a shot sometime.

    4. Re:Wrong criterion by JasonGoatcher · · Score: 2

      Like, you know, that nasty foreign company Intel? The one that's generally considered to have the best chip technology in the world?

      I'm still hoping for another come from behind win by AMD. They're my favorite underdog since I don't watch sports.

  9. Re:Its a lot of landmines to dodge. by spiritplumber · · Score: 2

    I did a bit of work for NASA a couple years ago and per ITAR regulations, as a foreign national, I was not allowed to read the code I was writing. I'm serious.

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  10. say no, but allow them spin off by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    And split into 3 vertically parallel companies. Then push these companies for new ideas and innovations. Seriously, for this to work, we need to restore competition which requires multiple companies. Likewise, we to do a COTS approach with them. One item in desperate need is new networking equipment that was not manufactured in China.

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