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High Speed Evolution

Taco Cowboy writes: Normally, the term "evolution" implicitly refers to super-long time frames. However, in the case of lizards on Florida islands, evolution seems to have shifted into a higher gear. Researchers have documented noticeable changes in a native species over a period of just 15 years, after an invading species altered their behavior (abstract). "After contact with the invasive species, the native lizards began perching higher in trees, and, generation after generation, their feet evolved to become better at gripping the thinner, smoother branches found higher up. The change occurred at an astonishing pace: Within a few months, native lizards had begun shifting to higher perches, and over the course of 15 years and 20 generations, their toe pads had become larger, with more sticky scales on their feet.

'We did predict that we'd see a change, but the degree and quickness with which they evolved was surprising,' said Yoel Stuart, a postdoctoral researcher in the Department of Integrative Biology at The University of Texas at Austin and lead author of the study... 'To put this shift in perspective, if human height were evolving as fast as these lizards' toes, the height of an average American man would increase from about 5 foot 9 inches today to about 6 foot 4 inches within 20 generations — an increase that would make the average U.S. male the height of an NBA shooting guard,' said Stuart."

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  1. Is that unreasonable? by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the height of an average American man would increase from about 5 foot 9 inches today to about 6 foot 4 inches within 20 generations — an increase that would make the average U.S. male the height of an NBA shooting guard,

    Is that unreasonable? If there were evolutionary pressure (ie, short people kept being killed before reproducing), and tall people got multiple mates, I could see this change happening within twenty generations. Twenty generations is enough for two people to repopulate large countries, or even the entire earth if they have large families.

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    1. Re:Is that unreasonable? by SampleFish · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, that degree of incest is unreasonable. You could repopulate the Earth with really tall, ugly retards with your plan for the future.

    2. Re:Is that unreasonable? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Informative

      Is that unreasonable? If there were evolutionary pressure (ie, short people kept being killed before reproducing), and tall people got multiple mates, I could see this change happening within twenty generations.

      Interestingly, we have had a MUCH faster increase in height in the past couple centuries, probably mostly due to improvements in living conditions, food supply and nutrition, and medical advances.

      According to this recent study, for example, European men have gained approximately 4 inches in height in 100 years, i.e., about 4 or 5 generations.

      So, it probably doesn't even require significant genetic changes to produce such a shift. I once read somewhere that n the early 1800s, the average height differential between upper-class and lower-class Englishmen was something like 7 or 8 inches (i.e., rich men were something like 8 inches taller than poor men).

    3. Re:Is that unreasonable? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Twenty generations is enough for two people to repopulate large countries, or even the entire earth if they have large families.

      That's probably why.

    4. Re:Is that unreasonable? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      According to this recent study, for example, European men have gained approximately 4 inches in height in 100 years, i.e., about 4 or 5 generations.

      That's natural selection at work. If you can see further ahead in the traffic, you'll arrive home earlier and score with the women before the short men who are still stuck in traffic.

  2. Re:Falsifiability by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Discussion?

    Evolution is easy to falsify. Apply pressure and see if the species DOES NOT adapt to the pressure.

    If you believe that genes exist, then you believe in evolution, it's that simple. And if you don't believe that genes exist, then you might as well not believe in medicine either, or believe that cell phones exist, because it's all the same science.

  3. Re:20 generations by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you kill the shortest third of all humans, the average height goes up immediately within the current generation.

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  4. Well known, by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Informative
    Speed of evolution should be measured in generations, not years. Species that produce vast quantities of off spring will evolve faster and adapt better. There is nothing unusual or unknown about it. The mosquitoes inside the New York subways are a different species than the ones above ground. The speciation completed very quickly.

    The "ring species" are basically speciation events in progress. All it takes is one catastrophe, a disease or volcanic eruption or an invasive predator species introduction, that interrupts one of the breeding in one of the islands, and there will be two species. And this is what most anti-evolution folks don't get. No, a chimpanzee did not suddenly gave birth to a human. Population of the ancestor species split into two, and one evolved to become human and the other became chimpanzee. And the split need not be geographic. Changes in mate preferences, internal body temperature, food preferences, etc can lead to breeding isolation that could lead to speciation.

    Still it is nice to see evidence being presented in a species much higher than mosquitoes.

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  5. Re:20 generations by minstrelmike · · Score: 5, Informative

    The average height of post-war (WWII) Japanese was 2 inches taller than the previous generation. and that was due merely to the better availability of food--an environmental factor--but probably not anything to do with evolution per se.

    As stated in another post, if you kill off the shortest 1/3 of the population, the average height immediately goes up.
    Similarly, if the small-footed lizards drop off the trees and can't find enough food, the average foot-size immediately increases in the population independent of evolution occurring. Evolution is 2-step process. The environmental advantage or disadvantage occurs during the individual lives of each member of the species. The passing of genes to the next generation is a separate process that still reshuffles the genes via sex relentlessly regardless of environment. That's what makes it hard to determine when evolution via genes is occurring vs purely environmental factors winnowing a current population. The new population of lizards still produces some amount of small-footed ones due to sexual mixing of genes--and if the environment changes to reward smaller feet, the population will again change quickly.

  6. Re:Falsifiability by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not quite that simple, but you could probably simplify it to a few basic steps, like:
    Is there a coding mechanism for heredity? - Yes, the genetic code.
    Is there a way to generate new code? - Yes, mutation.
    Does that code allow unlimited blending? - No, if it did the two sexes would completely blur together, among many other lesser examples.
    Is there selection for fitness? - Yes, not everything gets to reproduce as much as it attempts to, and at least some of that is attributable to being "unfit".

    Basically, people can point to examples where limited blurring may occur, or being taken out of the gene pool may have nothing to do with fitness (all dinosaurs are equally unfit to survive a 5 mile wide asteroid strike), or many other such factors, but they aren't really offering any effective criticism of evolution unless they want to claim things like selection or mutation never happen.

    This is also why what Darwin did was science. His publication made several testable predictions - that there would be a genetic code, that the code could be altered on occasion, and that it would not allow unlimited blending of traits.

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  7. How is this surprising? by ChrisK87 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know why the researchers were so surprised by this. If the genetic variation already exists within the population under selective pressure, then the "evolution" measured by phenotypical changes in the population can take place literally overnight. Kill every human under 6'4" and the population will be 6'4" from then on, especially if you don't return to the set of selective pressures that had encouraged the shorter average. Sure there will be a lot of shorter individuals being born at first, but they'll fall to the same new selective pressure that killed the initial short cohort. This is exactly how the famous peppered moth evolution event happened so quickly; it wasn't anything unusual about the moth species in question, just a quick change in the suitability of existing genes. Evolution is only slow when the locally optimal genes don't exist in the population, and need to arise by mutation or genetic flow, or when an immediate optimum has room for genetic fine tuning, so to speak. TFA isn't really an example of evolution per se, it's an example of natural selection--a closely related concept in that they almost always co-occur, but it is not the same thing. We've changed the equilibrium frequencies of various genes, but as far as we know there are no new genes in this population. (And as far as that goes, it's a decent illustration of the importance of genetic diversity in a population: this population would be extirpated if it didn't have the genes responsible for these behavior and phenotype changes.)

  8. Farm by pubwvj · · Score: 3, Informative

    We see this on the farm. Nature guides the hand of evolution in the wild through selective adaptive pressures. On the farm it is the hand of man, sometimes, but the same thing. We use selective pressure to improve our livestock. In just the past slightly more than a decade we have made significant evolutionary changes to our pigs. They're a particularly nice animal to work with for genetic selection because they reproduce fast (up to 3 litters a year) with very large litters (8 to 21 piglets per litter) with rapid growth (6 months to market, 9 months to breed) so we can turn over generations quickly.

  9. Re:Falsifiability by itzly · · Score: 4, Funny

    However, none of that is evidence that it is not designed.

    Indeed. All we can say is that the theory doesn't need a designer. It doesn't need a painter or hair stylist either. Would you prefer if we rewrote the theory of evolution so that there was a hair stylist fixing the hair of the woolly mammoths ?