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Study: New Jersey e-Vote Experiment After Sandy a Disaster

TMB writes Al Jazeera reports on a Rutgers study about e-voting in New Jersey after Superstorm Sandy, and it is damning. It concludes that the middle of a natural disaster is the last time to try switching to a new voting method, especially one rife with such problems as e-voting. The table of contents includes such section headings as "Internet voting is not safe, should not be made legal, and should never be incorporated into emergency measures."

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  1. millions of internet elections by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    for organization executives, policy approvals, and stockholder proxy votes have been conducted without incident so far.

    A handful of problem cases are to be expected amidst this flood.

    I would doubt that the relative incidence of rigging paper-ballot elections is smaller.

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    1. Re: millions of internet elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paging a frequent contributor to handle this topic. Has anyone seen him? I miss the insight and genius of his wellcrafted thoughts and ideas

    2. Re: millions of internet elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can usually find Jon Skeet over at Stack Overflow.

    3. Re: millions of internet elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who could forget the worlds best programmer?

    4. Re:millions of internet elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "without incident" that we can know of, which
      is exactly the point.

    5. Re:millions of internet elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But most of those elections are not anonymous and are limited to a relatively few people and those people are well known to the organization. And the results can be easily verified. In addition they generally have a simple "two factor" authentication mechanism - you get a proxy ballot with a unique identifier and have to use that to vote. That eliminates a lot of the chance for cheating on the vote.

      Trying to conduct anonymous, verifiable voting is another thing entirely.

    6. Re: millions of internet elections by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      I think he means Bennett

    7. Re:millions of internet elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > for organization executives, policy approvals, and stockholder proxy votes have been conducted without incident so far.

      None of those have a requirement for anonymous voting.

    8. Re:millions of internet elections by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

      > None of those have a requirement for anonymous voting.

      Wrong. Organization executive elections require anonymous voting. And there have definitely been 100s of thousands of those conducted over the last 8 or 9 years.

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  2. CAPTAIN OBVIOUS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Captain Obvious Fucks You RIGHT in the ASS again.

  3. Reports inconclusive by davydagger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So basicly New Jersey fucked up implementation, because they made everything possible that could go wrong, go wrong, then complain about it going wrong, and blamed the idea for their gross incompetence....

    yep.

    1. Re:Reports inconclusive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basicly New Jersey fucked up implementation, because they made everything possible that could go wrong, go wrong, then complain about it going wrong, and blamed the idea for their gross incompetence....

      yep.

      Sounds a lot like the history of the last two US administration's attempt to bring democracy to Iraq.

    2. Re:Reports inconclusive by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Sounds a lot like the history of the last two US administration's attempt to bring democracy to Iraq.

      The current administration isn't trying to bring democracy to Iraq. They're trying to.........actually I have no idea what they're trying to do.

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    3. Re: Reports inconclusive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naw, man. That was a success. Both times.

    4. Re:Reports inconclusive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead, this Administration is trying to bring Democracy to Libya, Syria, Egypt, and Yemen.

      They already gave up on Democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    5. Re:Reports inconclusive by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and blamed the idea for their gross incompetence....

      I don't dispute that they may have been grossly incompetent. But that doesn't change the fact that the idea is fundamentally unsound, if for no other reason than that there are vastly too many things that could go wrong. (Among them, things that don't accidentally go wrong but which someone can make go wrong.)

      I agree with that line in the report, on all 3 counts:

      Internet voting is not safe, should not be made legal, and should never be incorporated into emergency measures.

    6. Re:Reports inconclusive by Kilo+Kilo · · Score: 1

      No, it just sounds like New Jersey.

    7. Re:Reports inconclusive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get the fuck out of the Middle East, except the damn Media gets hyperventilated about a few guys with swords chopping the heads off people dumb enough to travel to the Middle East.

    8. Re:Reports inconclusive by Rei · · Score: 1

      The current administration isn't trying to bring democracy to Iraq. They're trying to.........actually I have no idea what they're trying to do.

      It's okay, neither do they ;)

      Really though, while this is said to be due to terrorism, oppression, genocide, and the like, we really know the reason: it's that IS's ideology involves extensie use of MS Paint and an arabic version of Comic Sans. One simply cannot allow that to flourish.

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    9. Re:Reports inconclusive by Rei · · Score: 1

      Among them, things that don't accidentally go wrong but which someone can make go wrong

      What exactly are you talking about - in good real-world systems - that is more silently corruptible than paper elections? E-voting even offers ways for users to confirm their vote on file with the electoral commission (without being able to prove their vote to others), something that regular paper voting does not.

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    10. Re:Reports inconclusive by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      What exactly are you talking about - in good real-world systems - that is more silently corruptible than paper elections?

      The very first thing is your assumption that there are any "good real-world systems". Security researchers have found all electronic voting systems to date to be woefully insecure, usually with little trouble. And there are documented instances of them being hacked, even in relatively small local elections.

      Solve that one first, and we can go from there. Until it is solved, there is no point in discussing it further.

    11. Re:Reports inconclusive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever else that idiot was, he wasn't a drunk (anymore) and that was part of the problem. Over the course of long term alcoholism, the brain undergoes chemical changes and adaptations such that it functions better in the presence of alcohol and doesn't do so well without it.

      Have a look at some of Bush's speeches and improvised Q&A sessions when he was campaigning for Governor of Texas. He was incredibly articulate, no stammering or stuttering, completely on point. I guarantee you he'd had a few drinks before those engagements; his brain had its fuel and he was functioning at 100%. Remove the alcohol from that equation and, well, we all saw what happened. The man couldn't assemble a proper sentence even given a case full of words and three tubes of glue.

      Bush would have been better off, and arguably the rest of us would have fared better as well, had he stuck to a metered regimen of alcohol throughout the day instead of abstaining.

    12. Re:Reports inconclusive by davydagger · · Score: 2

      There is no pretense of democracy left, because it would be horribly embarassing when democracies didn't break out. I think we are back to "git teh terrists", and "they say bad things about the US".

    13. Re:Reports inconclusive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second that... what makes these fucking morons think going there is a good idea? Fuck their dumbass whiny warmongering sore-loser parents, too.

  4. Necessary Ebola reference by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    Christie's quarantine has an asymptomatic nurse who tested negative for Ebola confined outside a Newark hospital in an unheated tent. She had to fight with them about letting her keep her iphone. Can she e-vote from inside the tent or will they take her absentee ballot?

    1. Re:Necessary Ebola reference by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Both New York and New Jersey are quarantining people who arrive from west African countries where Ebola is present. So it's as much as a Cuomo (D-NY) quarantine as a Christie (R-NJ) one.

    2. Re:Necessary Ebola reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      confined outside a Newark hospital in an unheated tent

      Citation needed. Every source I've seen says the isolation tent is inside the hospital.

      After Dr. Spencer's and Nurse Amber Vinson's experiences with Ebola a quarantine seems very reasonable.

    3. Re:Necessary Ebola reference by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      What sources are those? The lady inside the tent says it's set up as a ward adjacent to the building and is unheated: http://www.doctorswithoutborde...

    4. Re:Necessary Ebola reference by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      You can add FL to that list too, thanks to Governor Skeletor.) This lady is in NJ, still tests negative, has a temp of 98.6, but Christie still says she's "obviously ill", claiming "she may to be tested for that again because sometimes it takes a little bit longer to make a definitive determination, there's no question the woman is ill, the question is what is her illness." But I doubt the people who voted for him at his Hotmail voting booth address will ever regret hitting "Send".

    5. Re:Necessary Ebola reference by tomhath · · Score: 1
    6. Re:Necessary Ebola reference by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      You can add FL to that list too, thanks to Governor Skeletor.

      You mean the bad guy from 'He Man and the Masters of the Universe' is the governor of Florida now?

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    7. Re:Necessary Ebola reference by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      Yeah! Check it out: http://bit.ly/1zxi6hd

    8. Re:Necessary Ebola reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cuomo is a conservative in policy if he isn't a Republican in name. The New York voters are too stupid to realize it because he's thrown the democrats a few bones during the last couple of years.

    9. Re:Necessary Ebola reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  5. Al Jazeera? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

    Why does the summary link to an Al Jazeera article discussing domestic matters, especially when Al Jazeera themselves are just reporting on work that Rutgers did? Surely, NYTimes, WaPo and others are reporting on this as well, and would be more authoritative.

    1. Re:Al Jazeera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Surely, NYTimes, WaPo and others are reporting on this as well, and would be more authoritative.

      Really? Do you think so?

      Just so that you know Newsweek once had -- and I don't think they stopped doing it -- two covers: one for inside the US and a different one for the international edition. Guess which one talked about pleasantries?

      So that you know, too, in certain conflicts in Middle East, I used to look for news from non-involved parties to get informed. Do the math.

      Just a piece of advice: (feel free to ignore)

      Get used to hear and read what they talk about your country outside -- inside, the news are always very calming.

      It might help you vote the next time once you know how life looks without the rose glasses...

    2. Re:Al Jazeera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does the summary link to an Al Jazeera article discussing domestic matters

      Maybe because it's "AlJazeera America", a US-based news organization? http://america.aljazeera.com/

    3. Re:Al Jazeera? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      It certainly would be more authoritative if it weren't Al Jazeera. Names like "Al Jazeera" and "Al Gore" don't command much authority in the U.S.

    4. Re:Al Jazeera? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I bet you think that's an intelligent comment.

      You're more likely to get good journalism out of Al Jazeera than you are out of any of the cable news outlets in the US today. I don't watch any of them, but was surprised to find that Al Jazeera was the most popular news outlet for people who invest money for a living, like money managers, stock brokers, etc. They might have all of the stations playing, but Al Jazeera will be the one with the sound up. The reason I was given? because they're the most unbiased.

      I was taken aback, but I guess it makes sense.

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    5. Re:Al Jazeera? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      Oh I agree with you totally. I thought my snark was more obvious.

    6. Re:Al Jazeera? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, I was responding to the guy above you who was concerned about Al Jazeera being a bunch of furriners.

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    7. Re:Al Jazeera? by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      You're more likely to get good journalism out of Al Jazeera than you are out of any of the cable news outlets in the US today.

      It's less of a surprise if you consider its pedigree. Al Jazeera took over many if not most of the staff of the Arabic BBC world service channel that was shut down by the BBC as a response to Saudi censorship demands.

      So, with that kind of heritage, it's not that surprising that they should be good at what they do.

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    8. Re:Al Jazeera? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Al Jazeera took over many if not most of the staff of the Arabic BBC world service channel that was shut down by the BBC as a response to Saudi censorship demands.

      That's a good point.

      Also, it's not that hard to be better at journalism than any of the US cable news outlets. There are several non-US sources that are more reliable, I have found.

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  6. Sandy was not a superstorm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The north east was just super unprepared.

    1. Re:Sandy was not a superstorm by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      That fat bastard got reelected because that storm came at just the right time to make people feel sorry for him that week. Bush would have gotten a nice lift from Katrina too, if he hadn't totally blown it off.

    2. Re:Sandy was not a superstorm by tomhath · · Score: 2

      Christie did everything right after the hurricane by working with FEMA. Blanco and Nagin did everything wrong by keeping FEMA out.

    3. Re: Sandy was not a superstorm by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      No he got reelected because the Democrats weren't interested in trying to oust him. The candidate they put up was a crony who demanded her turn at higher office and this was the only chance she would ever be allowed to run.

    4. Re: Sandy was not a superstorm by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      And what democrat would have been able to beat him? No one wanted to run against him because he was already very popular and chances of winning were slim.

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    5. Re: Sandy was not a superstorm by kenh · · Score: 1

      Christy won NJ *twice* without any significant support from the unions.

      That no Democrat was able to mount a reasonable challenge to him is very telling in a state like NJ. Dems have 'installed' some real questionable Gov. In the past (Corzine & the 'Machiavellian' candidate whose name escapes me at the moment), that no one of that caliber could be found in NJ to take on Christy is amazing to me...

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    6. Re:Sandy was not a superstorm by Kilo+Kilo · · Score: 1

      Blanco and Nagin did everything wrong by keeping FEMA out.

      It still amazes me the amount of people that don't realize that FEMA aid has to be requested by the state government.

    7. Re: Sandy was not a superstorm by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      Beat? Maybe not, but a libertarian/right leaning Democrat could have certainly put up a strong challenge. I worked on one's primary campaign (Carl Bergmanson) but the Democratic party cockblocked us at every turn. Refused to allow us to speak at county party meetings, fought (and won) to knock us off the ballot, they were determined to put Buono up for slaughter.

    8. Re:Sandy was not a superstorm by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      Either not realizing it, or being willfully ignorant of it because it doesn't fit in with the "it's W's fault" narrative.

    9. Re: Sandy was not a superstorm by operagost · · Score: 1

      McGreevey. He installed his own lover as homeland security adviser and got away with it because no one wanted to be a bigot who criticized the "gay American".

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  7. Electronic vote to CONFIRM what ballot says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since e-voting is unreliable, organizations should use an electronic voting system to CONFIRM what the ballots say, not to replace them or to do the contrary, i.e., use the ballots to confirm e-votes...

    1. Re: Electronic vote to CONFIRM what ballot says by kenh · · Score: 1

      And if there's a discrepancy, then what? Ignore the e-vote or ignore the traditional results?

      It's the same issue with e-voting with a paper-trail - what happens when the paper trail and the e-vote results don't match?

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    2. Re: Electronic vote to CONFIRM what ballot says by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Here in Minnesota, the paper ballots are the official votes. If the election is close (or somebody has good reason to suspect manipulation), they bring out the paper ballots and count them. That way, we get fast tabulation (although it can be off by a thousand or two for a state election), and can do recounts at our leisure.

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  8. Ignorance of IT and Voting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is axiomatic that there is a direct relationship between ignorance of computer security and thinking that computer voting is a good idea.

  9. LIBERALS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sheep of narcissists and sociopaths.

  10. The Internet is good for a lot of things by istartedi · · Score: 1

    The Internet is good for a lot of things; but don't try to pound nails with it.

    I'm sure eVoting can be made to work in the long run. OTOH, yeah, springing it on people in the middle of a disaster is probably not such a hot idea. Duh!

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    1. Re:The Internet is good for a lot of things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Internet is good for a lot of things; but don't try to pound nails with it.

      I'm sure eVoting can be made to work in the long run. OTOH, yeah, springing it on people in the middle of a disaster is probably not such a hot idea. Duh!

      It is axiomatic that lack of knowledge about cyber security increases the belief that the Internet, as it is currently formulated, can offer secure e-voting.
      Secure voting demands iron-clad proof of identity, and voting is, by constitutional law, anonymous. The walk between the ID check and the private voting booth cannot be replicated in 1's and 0's effectively.
      We cannot even keep our credit cards safe on dedicated security commercial readers after 20 years of refinement. How about home computers running Windows 95?

  11. millions / thousands / hundreds / American Idol by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Millions? Maybe you meant thousands? Maybe on second thought, hundreds or at least dozens? Well, American Idol anyway. Hmm maybe American Idol was by SMS, not internet.

    There is the IBM proxy, so that's one. I bet we could find two or three more. It might be safe to say "a few".

  12. Everything you need to know by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just look at the top three posts from Brad Friedman's blog (Brad is the foremost blogger on the topic of electronic voting and fair elections in the US):

    http://www.bradblog.com/

    Here are the three headlines as of right now:

    Touch-Screen Votes Flip 'No' to 'Yes' on Abortion Amendment to State Constitution in TN

    E-Votes Flip D to R in Texas, R to D in Illinois: More Trouble With Touch-Screens (2014 Edition)

    and last but not least:

    Christie Says GOP Governors Need to Win in 2014 So They Can Control 'Voting Mechanisms' in 2016

    If your state has e-voting, your elections are a farce. You might as well not vote. There is overwhelming evidence that e-voting has already flipped major elections in the United States, which means e-voting machines that are currently being used, that have absolutely no paper verification, have nullified your rights as a citizen.

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    1. Re:Everything you need to know by davidwr · · Score: 1

      If your state has e-voting, your elections are a farce.

      Better to say "if your state has ONLY e-voting...".

      Some states give you the option of how to vote. Others require e-voting only if you are voting out-of-precinct (vs. most states that don't allow out-of-precinct voting at all) or if you are voting in "early voting."

      I know of one state in which "early voting" is done countywide and printing off paper ballots for each and every possible ballot in the county at every early-voting location would be a logistical nightmare in urban areas. In that state most urban areas require you to vote electronically if you vote early. If you insist on a paper ballot and realize you are not going to be in town on election day too late to get a mail-in ballot, too bad for you - either vote electronically or don't vote at all.

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    2. Re:Everything you need to know by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Some states give you the option of how to vote.

      Which is actually no option at all. You walk into a polling place and there's twenty touch-screen e-voting machines and a long line to a single paper ballot reader.

      I know of one state in which "early voting" is done countywide and printing off paper ballots for each and every possible ballot in the county at every early-voting location would be a logistical nightmare in urban areas.

      Somehow, paper ballots were used for centuries, but then became a "statistical nightmare" as soon as a foolproof method for stealing elections became available.

      If they can give out absentee ballots, they can have verifiable voting on machines. The solution, if you're going to use e-voting, is to have a verifiable paper trail. Such machines have existed since before the new touch-screen machines, and they cost less. Yet, they don't get used.

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    3. Re:Everything you need to know by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Where is the "attack"? The article quotes Christie. Talks about the way executive branches of states are jiggering elections, the same way Christie jiggered expressway ramps to punish his political opponents.

      OK, now that was an attack. Do you see the difference?

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  13. Instead: mixed e/mail-in absentee balloting by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Here's something that can be used to replace traditional mail-in absentee ballots, which are themselves not-exactly-secure:

    The election authority publishes its public key widely, such as in local newspapers and on the back of voter-registration cards.

    For each voter wishing to vote absentee:

    The election authority generates a one-time pad for the voter as well as a public and private key for that voter good for just the election.
    The election authority encrypts the voter's private key with the one-time pad, signs it with the election authority's private key, then prints out the result. It sends this information to the voter. It then destroys all copies of the voter's private key including those that are encrypted.
    Separately, the election authority signs the one-time pad, prints out the results, and delivers it to the voter. It then destroys all remaining copies of the one-time pad.
    Finally, the election authority mails out paper ballots in the traditional way, along with the "precinct/ballot style number" which has been encrypted with the voter's public key so only the voter can decrypt it. This "precinct/ballot style number" is printed on all ballots that have the identical list of candidates. This is so the voter can check that he got the right ballot.

    The channels used to send the information to the voter should not have overlapping security vulnerabilities if possible. For example, mail can be intercepted, so at least one of these items should be delivered by a non-mail courier who delivers the item directly to the voter or delivered electronically.

    For very-remote voters such as soldiers deployed overseas, astronauts, etc. the voting materials will probably, out of necessity, be sent to the voter in electronic form, with all documents electronically signed by the voting authority. This can be an option for other voters as well.

    The voter can choose to mail in the paper ballot "as usual" if he wants to, making all of the work above pointless with respect to that voter.

    Or, if he wants to use technology, the voter can scan in all of the voting materials into a computer along with a copy of the widely-published public key of the voting authority. His computer will authenticate and/or decrypt the one-time pad, the encrypted "precinct/ballot style number" that came with the ballot, and the voter's private key. It will also verify the "precinct/ballot style number" printed on the ballot matches the encrypted version.
    The computer will then assist the voter in filling out the ballot. For this part of the voting task, no Internet access is required. The voter could even boot his computer using a "voting boot CD" provided by any number of "competing" voter-integrity-oriented public-interest groups.

    Finally, the computer will offer to print out the ballot for the person to mail in. The voter can of course inspect the ballot prior to mailing it in.

    It will also offer two choices for electronic voting:
    The voter can scan either the computer-printed ballot or a hand-filled-out ballot or ask the computer to generate a much-shorter "e-ballot" which contains the vote but not the graphic-image of the ballot. This e-ballot will be a summary, something like "precinct/ballot style 5341, race 1: choice 1 of 3, race 2: choice 3 of 4, race 3: abstain of 2, ..." only in a much more compact form like "P5341,1,3,3,4,0,2,...". Whatever the result, the computer will encrypt it with the voting authority's public key, append a random "salt", then sign the whole thing with the voter's private key.

    The voter can "cast his ballot" by returning a printout of the signed, encrypted ballot, faxing it in, emailing it in, having it delivered by courier, or submitting it over the Internet. Note that a "printout" of a "scanned-in" ballot will be quite lengthy, assuming it is printed out in an ascii-type format similar to those used for email attachments.

    The voting authority will use a dedicated computer to authenticate the signatures of r

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  14. Perspective by Livius · · Score: 1

    Feature, not a bug.

    Just like everything about e-"voting".

  15. Voting from Space by davidwr · · Score: 1

    On the news a few elections back I saw that Texas (home of NASA and at one time the voting-residence of at least one astronaut) allows astronauts to vote electronically from space. It was news because Texas passed a special law to make it possible for astronauts to vote without having to send paper ballots to the ISS and get them back in time to be counted.

    It may or may not use TCP/IP, but it is remote voting. I'm not sure if it's encrypted or not and if it is, I'm not sure if the voting authority has enough information to determine who cast which ballot.

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  16. Vote by mail is the best system by StevenMaurer · · Score: 1

    Let me leave a part of the remarks of Senator Ron Wyden (D), Oregon here:

    Vote by Mail offers additional advantages that may not be readily apparent. For example, on Election Day in 2006, Tillamook County, Oregon, experienced a deluge of 13 inches of rain. Roads were closed, parts of the county became unreachable, and a State of emergency was declared. Even so, 70 percent of the voters in Tillamook County cast their ballots. Vote by Mail ensured that lack of access to polling places because of a natural disaster on Election Day was no impediment to voting.

    In vote by mail, you sign your ballot. This is checked against a database of your legal registration by people trained to recognize signatures. The County Clerk will call you up if there is any discrepancy (sometimes people just change the way they sign, sometimes it happens due to strokes). So there is no possibility of voter fraud either.

  17. It Came From Gov Christie -- Big Loozer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like Christie's homophobia is well on display with the Africa Quarantine at Liberty Newark International.

    Both Obama's and in particular Christie's assumptions and pre-sumptions are blatantly false.

    For Obama, adding additional screeners is counter productive in that it will do nothing intended and will add a few million dollars in deficit spending to an already bloated deficit.

    For Christie, while he kidnapped and rendered one person to Quarantine Gitmo, everyone else is now altering their flight itineraries to avoid NJ and NY. Yes it is an added expense but who wants to be subject to brutal treatment from NJ and NY perverts for 21 days. Basically, no one will board a plane with a 103 degree fever so the reason for Christie's homophobic brutality and perversions is the central question. Also will NJ voters foot the expenses of people rendered to 21-day Gitmo? Doubtful.

    Also Gov Pat Quin, Illinois, rendered an adult and a child, both of which have no signs of Ebola nor fever to his version of Quarantine Gitmo for the love of perversion. So have to avoid O'Hare-Midway.

    Have to book a bus or a train from Canada.

    But as you see these exercises in homophobia are easily defeated.

  18. It makes no sense by AlanObject · · Score: 1

    Has anyone managed to explain why e-voting always fails when the same technology can be used to run a network of online banking and ATM services, backed up with face-to-face tellers (yes they still exist!) to serve those who don't have online access?

    I haven't heard that banks are losing tons of money because it is all online and a lot more convenient for me than it was last century. Yes there are crooks but they are quickly detected and dealt with.

    If these systems can keep track of trillions of dollars of transactions with an open-ended commitment to each customer surely a single vote per customer constraint should be no problem.

    Electronic voting doesn't work only because we don't want to make it work.

    1. Re:It makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree that it could, theoretically, be done, it would involve developing technology that doesn't currently exist, at least not on a wide scale. It's more involved than simply guaranteeing one, and only one, vote per person. You have to validate the user's right to vote, but, and it's a big but, you also have to guarantee that any given vote can't be identified to the voter who cast it.

      As for not wanting to make it work. That's probably right, but frankly, I don't think it's worth the big investment of resources to make it work, at least not at this point in time. Most (not all, but most) people who have Internet access are not disenfranchised. Internet-based voting would be a convenience, but not a need in any sense of the word, and having to go to a central polling place isn't a hardship, but at worst, a slight inconvenience.

  19. I used to be totally against online voting... by ClarkMills · · Score: 1

    My main bitch with online voting was/is vote-buying. This *could* be mostly solved by having it so that you can change your vote right up to closing time. That way, even if you sold your vote and voted in front of the vote-buyer, you could always go and change your vote later. Dispels any significant incentive to even try that rort.

    We first need to get an e-voting system in place that is trustworthy (and hence open/auditable).

    1. Re:I used to be totally against online voting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the entire political system is based around vote-buying. The dictatoriate-in-waiting buys your vote with promises of benefits to come should they be elected to run the next round of the dictatorship. They gauge which set of promises are likely to win them a majority and - most importantly - the promises are all lies. This is the essence of the modern system. Anyone trying to buy your vote separately to that system is just an amateur.

      The main problem with e-voting is that it opens up the possibility of disbanding that dictatorship and running an actual democracy. The powers that be love the technical difficulty of running an election - it gives them an excuse to not run very many. So we get "analyses" like this one, which have tabloid-style headlines instead of objective reporting, and under the headline a tabloid-style complete failure to explain why the headline even remotely applies. Pure propaganda.

  20. Simple solution by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    There is a simple solution to many voting issues: paper and pen. Print paper ballots and hand out pens. Each party / candidate is listed with a circle next to the name. Mark that circle in any which way to give that person your vote. Then fold the ballot and stuff it into an envelope that can be sealed (simplest would be lick and stick). Put that envelope into a sealed ballot box. Voting stations can be placed in any building that is large enough to accommodate the expected turnout. The public, as long as not obstructing the voting process, can witness the sealing of the ballot box, submission of ballots, the transport to the counting place, and the ballot counting itself. Pen and paper obviously provides a paper trail, it is easy to recount any votes, and the best is that pen and paper is low tech!! No power needed, no Internet access required, and thus very easy to administer as long as there is a means to get to the polling station. This is how elections are held in many European states and there are no significant problems. With public oversight stuffing the ballot box beforehand or during transport can be prevented. Witnesses can keep count on how many envelopes were dropped into the ballot box and how many are taken out at the counting place. Once the election results are official and the ballots are no longer needed they can be recycled. Yes, e-voting is potentially cheaper and the tabulation of results is faster, but I rather have elections cost more and have results take longer to obtain in exchange for fair and secure voting. The rush to instant results is solely based on the need of the media, especially TV, who have nothing to talk about until results are coming in.