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20 More Cities Want To Join the Fight Against Big Telecom's Broadband Monopolies

Jason Koebler writes At least 20 additional American cities have expressed a formal interest in joining a coalition that's dedicated to bringing gigabit internet speeds to their residents by any means necessary—even if it means building the infrastructure themselves. The Next Centuries Cities coalition launched last week with an impressive list of 32 cities in 19 states who recognize that fast internet speeds unencumbered by fast lanes or other tiered systems are necessary to keep residents and businesses happy. That launch was so successful that 20 other cities have expressed formal interest in joining, according to the group's executive director.

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  1. if i voted by dasacc22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    this would be one of those times id actually go and vote if moving forward required consensus of the locals.

    1. Re:if i voted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      because a governmnet monopoly is the best kind.

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    2. Re:if i voted by kharchenko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure, monopoly is bad, but I'd much rather have a monopoly that has to listen to the votes rather the one that doesn't.

    3. Re:if i voted by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

      In some cases, yes it is. And I consider myself a mild liberation.

      There are cases of "natural monopolies" where left to itself the market tends to narrow down to a single provided. Look for industries that have high fixed capital costs to start up but low marginal costs after that. Network effects help too. If that is the case, then you often need government regulation to ensure a well-functioning market. Now, what type of regulation is complex.

      Jean Tirole won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences this year for his work. Different types of solutions get you different types of answers.

      http://www.economist.com/news/...

      I would be o.k. if the city owned the last mile, much in the same way they own the last mile of sewer and water lines.

    4. Re:if i voted by dasacc22 · · Score: 2

      you got voted -1 (which im adjusting now) but this is a valid point people! government should be the last refuge of the people when shit goes wrong, and in so many areas, this shit is wrong.

  2. Not quite a monopoly by careysb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Denver, CO we can choose between Century Link DSL (speeds suck) or Comcast (expensive and service sucks). If the city of Denver jumped in that would at least give us three choices. Competition is good, right?

    1. Re:Not quite a monopoly by mdielmann · · Score: 2

      You realize that the US government has given BILLIONS to these companies to roll out internet infrastructure, right? It would only seem fair that they subsidize their competition since their business was subsidized, as well.

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    2. Re:Not quite a monopoly by AuBowser · · Score: 2

      CenturyLink has announced 1GB service "soon" in Denver. Pricing is unclear but it appears they want to sell it bundled with land line phone service. I would prefer the City of Denver develop a high speed network as a public utility.

    3. Re:Not quite a monopoly by chihowa · · Score: 2

      The highest DSL speed from CenturyLink at my house in Denver (in the city itself) is 1.5Mbps and they've been telling me that they'll be bumping up the speeds "soon" for years. They even send me flyers occasionally advertising speeds that they won't sell me.

      My recommendation is to sign up for Comcast's business service is you are stuck with them. It's only marginally more expensive than residential service and it doesn't suck nearly as much.

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    4. Re:Not quite a monopoly by silentcoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Telecoms is a fairly clear-cut case of a natural monopoly and will always tend to favour monopolization.
      I generally hold that it's in the public's interest if natural monopolies are tax-funded rather than provided by companies. Companies without competition have no reason to care about consumers, no market to control costs or improve value - so a government that is accountable to voters is actually MORE free market in a natural monopoly than a private company (since the voters and the consumers are the same people).

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  3. Re:Meaningful Competition? by careysb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Meaningful Competition Drives Progress: a vibrant, diverse marketplace, with transparency in offerings, pricings, and policies will spur innovation, increase investment, and lower prices. Communities, residents, and businesses should have a meaningful choice in providers.

    I don't see how a government takeover will enhance competition. Mostly it will increase the cost of cable TV, at least until some other group decides that watching prime time TV is a fundamental human right.

    I have a TV antenna in the attic, let them raise the cable TV rates.

  4. Re:Meaningful Competition? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the key point is to decouple the content from the last mile network. when a house can choose between different cable suppliers and different internet suppliers, that's when the competition happens.

  5. Full bore Telecom Panic in 3-2-1. . . by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Expect to see the gloves come off for this fight.

    The Telecoms absolutely will throw a Godzilla sized tantrum since the high density metropolitan areas are their biggest cash cows they have. They would give two shits about losing some barely on the map town in the middle of nowhere, but you're talking about where the big $$$$ live now.

    There will be lobbying, crying, arguments, pleading, secret back-room deals, and just mass hysteria for all the Telecoms. Hell, they might even get off their ass and start doing something now that they see a very frightening possibility of real competition to their profits starting to rear its head.

    It will be glorious :D

  6. Re:Meaningful Competition? by dAzED1 · · Score: 2

    the discussion is about internet access, not cable tv. That they run on the same lines by the same companies is not part of the conversation - there are countries that were decades behind us in getting internet access, and are now (seemingly) decades ahead of us. Those countries have found that providing broadband access to nearly everyone dramatically improved the economies there. Yet here, we still have people who can only get 128k (or maybe slightly better) from DSL. I have a client that has a location (which I'm currently sitting in) where ~300 people use a 3mb connection. They're constantly losing calls, have problems with web conferences, etc - dramatically hurts their productivity. There just isn't decent access available in this area - and it's in a relatively nice area of Houston, a relatively modern metro in the US. This isn't the 90s, we can get speed not measured in kbps or single-digit mbps now...we should be looking at gig, like they've had for years elsewhere.

  7. Socialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That is just so damn Un-American not letting Corporate monopolies rip you off

  8. Re:Meaningful Competition? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't see how a government takeover will enhance competition.

    By dissecting the natural monopoly (the last mile) from the unnatural monopoly (the service provider)

    Currently, I can buy electricity from three dozen loosely regulated companies that compete for my dollar. No matter who I buy from, that electricity will get delivered over the same physical copper connection to my house. That piece of copper is maintained by a single, strictly regulated utility.

    Under this system, everybody's priorities are in the right place. The last mile utility can only make more money by connecting more customers, since the rates are regulated. The providers can only make more money by providing better service, since they can't stop their customers from using a competitor.
    The rent-seeking behavior we currently have with Comcast gets eliminated.

  9. Why not just free the market? by trout007 · · Score: 2

    Most of these companies are local monopolies because the local politicians were bribed to give them a monopoly. You don't have to build your own just get rid of the monopoly.

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  10. Re:Meaningful Competition? by Stan92057 · · Score: 2

    hmm that reminds, me what ever happened to internet over electric cables? The elect company's are not saving and replacing old infrastructure as they should be. I've seen plenty of news stories about how bad our grids are and how everything needs to be replaced but is not. Who owns the cables??

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  11. Oh boy, even more oversubscription. by ErikTheRed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK, let's say for sake of argument you bring gigabit to every doorstep. Or heck, even 1% of doorsteps. All of your uplinks are going to be so massively oversubscribed that it's essentially meaningless, except for content that's hosted on local caching servers. This is great for things like Netflix, but even ultra-high quality 4K video with uncompressed multichannel audio isn't going to consume that much bandwidth. 40Gbit connections are standard on the largest backbones, with 100 Gbit coming on-line, but that's some awfully expensive hardware right now.

    So my question would be: what added benefit you expect to get with a gigabit local loop when it's still going into the same sort of congestion limits? i don't mean to sound like a curmudgeonly old bastard, but this sounds more like a marketing gimmick. Even governments aren't immune from spreading marketing bullshit; in fact it's sometimes easier when you know you won't be held accountable (advertising fraud vs political promises) and it's all other people's money anyway.

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