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Getting Lost In the Scientific Woods Is Good For You

StartsWithABang writes: Wandering into the woods unprepared and without a plan sounds like a terrible idea. But if you're interested in scientific exploration at the frontiers, confronting the unknown with whatever you happen to have at your disposal, you have to take that risk. You have to be willing to take those steps. And you have to be okay with putting your best ideas out there — for all to see — knowing full well that you might get the entire thing wrong. Sometimes, that's indeed what happens. Some of the most revered and famous scientific minds in history confronted the great mysteries of nature, and came away having done nothing but set us back many years by leading the field down a blind alley. But other times, the greatest leaps forward in our understanding occur as a result. The article shares some notable examples, and explains why this is vital for scientific progress.

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  1. Obvious by Livius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's pretty much the definition of what science is. I'm not even clear what they think the alternative might be that would still qualify as science.

    And it works whether 'lost in the woods' is meant literally and metaphorically.

    1. Re:Obvious by HuguesT · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most people think that scientist are strange people who have amassed a huge amount of very precise facts about an extremely specific field, some of which might be useful (facts or fields), but most of which are useless to the common people. The prototype is the scientist lady in the TV series "Bones". Scientists are assimilated to dorks who have not only not an ounce of creativity in them but also no social skills.

      In reality scientists need to be extremely creative in their work, and need to have the humility to accept that they know or understand only a tiny amount of the world that is around us. It is very easy and quick to tread into the complete unknown. We cannot at present even reconcile the most established theories we have about the way the world works (relativity and quantum mechanics).

  2. Re:Blablablabla by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Funny

    "No blah blah blah!" -- James T. Kirk

  3. Re:The hardest part.. by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    plaque tectonics

    Where dentistry meets geology.

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  4. shooting through slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So now I first check the poster before the summary. There's a couple that can be safely ignored. Either because they don't have anything to say, or because they insist on summarising other people's work on an unreadable hipster website. NEXT!

  5. Re:The hardest part.. by Sique · · Score: 2
    General Relativity was widely accepted four years after the initial publishing (after Sir Arthur Eddington published his fundamental Mathematical Theory of Relativity), and Special Relativity was a new mathematical approach to the Poincaré-Lorentz-cosmology of 1892, published more than a decade before (which in turn tried to incorporate the Maxwell equations from 1879 into Newtonian physics).

    Quantum mechanics were proposed by Max Planck in 1900, 1905 it was used by Albert Einstein to explain the photoelectric effect (for which he got awarded the Nobel price in 1921), and by the 1920 it was already heavily reworked and modified by the works of people like Erwin Schroedinger, Werner Heisenberg, Louis de Broglie and Max Born.

    So Relativity and Quantum mechanics are quite bad examples for what you want to say. They were adapted very quickly instead.

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  6. Re:Well said, couldn't agree more! by ledow · · Score: 2

    However, ignorance is also the domain of the ignorant.

    It's okay not to be aware that someone has investigated an area before, or even to ignore people because you have a hint they may be wrong because of some anomaly. But ignorance of the in-depth side of what you're ignoring is dangerous.

    As such, you aren't aware that information cannot travel faster than c (lower-case). The wavefront of a particular wave might be seen to but it cannot be usefully used to transmit information (or objects, or anything) faster than c. That's why nobody's bothered to look further into your phenomenon - we realised the limit and have no reason to doubt it. And the plasma antenna stuff is unrelated, sorry.

    Getting a firm grasp of a topic you choose to ignore is vital.

    To be honest, even without a firm grasp on the intricacies of space-time, light-speed, and relativity, your post just seems like nonsense anyway.

    There has rarely (I would state never but I'm a scientist in my mind, so I can't without proof that's true) been a time in history when someone has found something that everyone else had totally ignored. They may have not believed it. They may have not fully understood the principles underlying it. They may have been uninterested and didn't pursue the details further. They may have been unable to test it. But scientific revolutions don't happen because some guy in a shed decided to ignore quantum physics and stamp his own path.

    They happen because that guy looks at the established science in another way, or digs into a hole in the science that nobody had looked into before, or finds a hole that nobody else had seen. That doesn't happen from guesses and ignorance of what the previous science held true. The gentleman scientist of yesteryear could "know" all of known science at the time, or as near as damn it. Thus people like Newton etc. were coming from a position of knowledge and expanding it. Nowadays, you can spend your life following just one tiny branch of any particular science, so it's all the easier to be ignorant.

    I'm sorry, but you read like a crackpot. Determined that someone with no scientific knowledge will walk in and spot a hole in relativity. It's not what happens. What happens is that patent clerks get up to speed on the latest science, go one step further (which is the really hard part, and the reason such people get to be called Doctor or Professor of the relevant science - those titles confer the knowledge that you found something in academia that nobody else knew, no matter how trivial), and realise the science wasn't "wrong" so much as "incomplete".

    I have any number of personal hypotheses about scientific phenomena, it entertains my head to have them and even if they are misconceptions, they help me understand "my" science. When my doctorate-holding or lecture-giving friends come round, I keep my mouth shut. Because I'm certain that they are beliefs held from a position of ignorance of the relevant science and that bringing me up to speed (which would, inevitably, explain my theories into the bin) would take the length of their career.

    If you've ever received the answer "It doesn't quite work like that", then you need to dig further yourself.

    It's a sad fact that even from the doctors and professors of science I know, the number of "breakthroughs", no matter how tiny, is infinitesimally small. I don't claim to come close to their knowledge on the basics, I've never found something new to science in my life, and I don't think I could understand most of what I try to. Or why it's wrong.

    Pet theories are nice pets. When you have the knowledge to prove them true, you'll have the knowledge to abandon them just as easily. Until then, I suggest you err on the side of abandonment.

    Sometimes it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. Until, that is, you truly have something that a science journal is willing to publish.

  7. Re:Well said, couldn't agree more! by Agent0013 · · Score: 2

    However, ignorance is also the domain of the ignorant.

    It's okay not to be aware that someone has investigated an area before, or even to ignore people because you have a hint they may be wrong because of some anomaly. But ignorance of the in-depth side of what you're ignoring is dangerous.

    There has rarely (I would state never but I'm a scientist in my mind, so I can't without proof that's true) been a time in history when someone has found something that everyone else had totally ignored

    I am not saying your statements are wrong, merely giving one example I have learned of that it the contrary to the norm. The inventor of the Frazier lens wanted to make a lens that could have infinite depth of field. He wanted the closest things and the furthest thing to all be in focus at the same time. He was an amateur in the field and didn't know the physics or math of how lenses work. When he went around to universities asking about how to do what he wanted he was told over and over that it was impossible and that it could never work. So instead he spent many years in his garage making his own lens systems (walking into the woods) and experimenting. He ended up creating a new lens system that accomplishes what he wanted. This is how he described his invention in a documentary when it was first created. Wikipedia now says that some of the things he uses to get the infinite DoF have been around before, so perhaps it was more of a rediscovery or a combining multiple things into one system to get the effect desired. Still, the experts in the field said it was impossible to do, but he did it anyway.

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  8. Huh? by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This was so vapid and banal, I checked to see if the byline was Bennett Haselton.

    Then again, it wasn't a 6000-word opus, so I should have known better.

    Yes, it's intellectually useful to be challenged. And?

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