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Swedish Regulator Orders Last "Hold-Out" ISP To Retain Customer Data

An anonymous reader writes Despite the death of the EU Data Retention Directive in April, and despite the country having taken six years to even begin to obey the ruling, the Swedish government, via its telecoms regulator, has forced ISPs to continue retaining customer data for law enforcement purposes. Now the last ISP retrenching on the issue has been told that it must comply with the edict or face a fine of five million krona ($680,000).

While providers all over Europe have rejoiced in not being obliged any longer to provide infrastructure to retain six months of data per customer, Sweden and the United Kingdom alone have insisted on retaining the ruling — particularly surprising in the case of Sweden, since it took six years to begin adhering to the Data Retention Directive after it was made law in 2006. Britain's Data Retention and Investigatory Powers bill, rushed through in July, actually widens the scope of the original EU order.

43 comments

  1. You forgot the Netherlands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Netherlands also has yet to reply to the court ruling which found data retention violates the ECHR

  2. Sweden and UK by aliquis · · Score: 2

    Funny combination.

    Biggest ass-lickers of the United States.

    (I'm from Sweden and UK of course is little US.)

    1. Re:Sweden and UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Allied services. Above the law together.

    2. Re:Sweden and UK by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, for the UK it's normal. They are both in the Coalition of the United, together with the United Arab Emirates.

      The Swedes' alliance, otoh, makes no sense. Why would you ally to a country with uglier women? Or, in the case of Sweden, why would you ally to anyone*?

      *: well, maybe they could lower the bar a tiny bit to let Ukraine in.

      [Disclaimer: This post, combining a bad joke, an off-topic comment and some trolling, should replace all my posts for the day. I have a lot of work and had to optimize my daily Slashdot contribution.]

    3. Re:Sweden and UK by aliquis · · Score: 0

      For some people like Carl Bildt and... I don't remember who it was, I think it was TTIP related, was it Margot WallstrÃm maybe? .. one may wonder who they are working for. Maybe I'm completely wrong about the later though :D

      I guess in general it kinda feel like the whole shitty government is working for non other than Allah..

      WTF are they thinking?

    4. Re:Sweden and UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Swedes' alliance, otoh, makes no sense.

      Well, applying Occam's razor is tricky when there isn't any transparency on the matter. Without an official version every plausible suggestion will have to be a conspiracy theory.

      The two possible versions I can think of would either be that the Swedish government are allied with the US behind the peoples back and secretly does the bidding of the US where they in return are supposed to get protection from Russia. (Sweden is supposed to be neutral so officially being allied would be a big nope.)

      The other version would be that CIA was behind the murder of former Swedish prime minister Olof Palme that was critical of the US and also the foreign minister Anna Lindh and that the Swedish government either doesn't dare to go against them or that anyone who was critical of the US simply was murdered.

      Either version would explain why Sweden handed over people to the US without evidence during the Iraqi war, why Sweden (Together with the UK) voted against EU investigating the NSA issue, why Sweden was so willing to violate own laws to punish the TPB guys and why Sweden is so hell bent on having those data retention laws.

    5. Re:Sweden and UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... and why Sweden so desperatly wants to get hold of Julian Assange?

    6. Re:Sweden and UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that too.

      I would like to see alternative theories that explains all those irregularities.
      At this point "Aliens" is a more plausible explanation than incompetence.

    7. Re:Sweden and UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One plausible explanation is that the prosecutor is a raving feminist who wants to see all men burn.
      We have plenty of those in Sweden.

    8. Re:Sweden and UK by aliquis · · Score: 1

      .. and in the case of Assange why they continue and for whatever reason can't simply question him in the UK.

      As for the defense wouldn't it just be easier if we joined NATO to get that effect?

      What I've heard before is that (I think) US got to have nuclear subs west (?) of Sweden in return for developing the JA-37 Viggen which supposedly was beneficial because they got cover by the Swedish air force.

      And the other one actually also end up being an air force one because that one is about our nuclear weapons program being scrapped in return of that US would nuke for us instead. The money instead was put into building up the air force which was/become very large relative the country size.

      (There's also the rumor about Bandkanon 1 from the beginning being built to fire tactical nukes, that may be completely unrelated to the rest though.)

      Maybe CIA and NSA just have the right guys and girls in our government?

    9. Re:Sweden and UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of my packets to the US go through Sweden. Also, the Swedish funny-cat-intelligence agency wants it's identity information after a particularly funny cat is found on interconnected tubes. Can't have those cat-distributors corrupting the youth of the proud nation.

        Many packets were lost transferring this post through the attention deficit caused by funny cats.

    10. Re:Sweden and UK by aliquis · · Score: 1

      In the UK supposedly 13% of the Internet (bandwidth? What? I have no idea) is used up for cat related content :D (I guess that include loading YouTube / Facebook / Instagram / .. too beyond showing said actual cat.)

    11. Re:Sweden and UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, biggest ass-lickers of the USA are the Aussies, by a country mile.

    12. Re:Sweden and UK by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Wag the dog.

      The UK is The Brain

      The US is Pinky

      Sweden is just following the strong nationalism trending all over Europe these days.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    13. Re:Sweden and UK by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Sweden is just following the strong nationalism trending all over Europe these days.

      I would rather say it's still not listening.

      We take in 20% of the immigrants with less than 2% of the EU population.

      Anyone from Syria get to stay. Which lead to Sweden accepting 100+ times more Syrians than Finland.

      In August the number of expected asylum seekers was raised to 100 000 which would had been 3.37 times more than three years ago.

      Supposedly Sweden would accept more immigrants than the US.

      There's a general ignorance and hate against people not supporting that agenda and voting against it (even though in general there's always more people who want less immigration and think there has been too much than the opposite but voting on the only party which is against the stupidity is considered racist and stupid.)

      If/when 30-50% vote for the social conservative nationalistic party I guess we can say so. But I wish it would had happened this autumn even.

      Borders should be closed for new refugees and families of the old ones. Work on integration and assimilation on those poor ass authoritarian culture religious women are mothers cultures before ruining the country further.

    14. Re:Sweden and UK by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      :-) Thank you for confirming my point... The whole continent is headed that direction. We should just roll back the calendar about 85 years...

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    15. Re:Sweden and UK by aliquis · · Score: 1

      The problem is just that people in general totally not at all dig their nation and culture.

      If they did why would one take in so many immigrants?

      I do realize other nations may do that to a less extent than Sweden.

      Sweden take in most in EU. More than Germany (who have like 82 million people rather than 9.67.)

      75 years ago there was 1% foreign born in Sweden. Now it's 16-17% which is more than in the US. Around/over 27% of the Swedes have got at least one foreign born parent.

    16. Re:Sweden and UK by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Maybe you don't realize it, but you are using a bunch of statistical mumbo-jumbo in an attempt to justify your call for racial/national purity. I ain't interested. Like I said, this is the decline the continent is going through right now, and you are providing a perfect example. Go work that crap on another corner. Everything you post here is only digging you into a deeper hole.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    17. Re:Sweden and UK by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Except I argue the opposite is what's really happening.

      The nationalistic forces are small whereas immigration and multiculturalism is what is actually happening not the opposite.

  3. SpyBlock by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Using a VPN to block spying is becoming just as necessary as using AdBlock to block advertising these days.

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    1. Re:SpyBlock by danielr7z · · Score: 1

      You can just avoid electronic communications to tell your secrets.

    2. Re:SpyBlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cure for HIV is #H#G#yffh[NO CARRIER]

    3. Re:SpyBlock by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Yes as with the news about Australia over the past few days. A tax to pay to store logs.
      VPN use will drop all internet data into another country. All that is stored is years of logs to one ip range :)

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    4. Re:SpyBlock by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Worse than that. You need two VPNs, in two countries that can't stand the smell of each other, with one of them being a country that doesn't wanna play nice with the US, just to ensure they don't "help" each other...

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  4. Sweden has to. by miffo.swe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sweden has an agreement with the US to provide these logs in full. Totally against Swedish law and against every privacy law in the EU. No sane company should have any data what so ever in Swedish servers or companies.

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    1. Re:Sweden has to. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation please.

    2. Re:Sweden has to. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:Sweden has to. by matthias.loeffel · · Score: 1

      next on my wish list would be a citation from a more reputable source ;-)

    4. Re:Sweden has to. by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The FRA has always been close to the NSA and GCHQ. A close third party to the 5 eye nations.
      Cable collection, an expansion of collection sites shared with the NSA, Tailored Access Operations, Quantum, help with telecommunications.
      Sweden helps US spy on Russia, Snowden leaks show December 6, 2013
      http://www.smh.com.au/world/sw...
      "excerpt of a larger document showing Sweden’s status as a closely allied “Third-party partner”"
      http://www.svt.se/ug/read-the-... (11 december 2013)
      https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying... has a few Sweden links to media reports.

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    5. Re:Sweden has to. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:Sweden has to. by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

      Why not discover the truth by yourself? Personally i could not give a flying fuck if people want citations because you know what? Im sick and tired of talking to people with their own agenda. Anything that wont fit their political views they just have to throw their dung at. Some people you can show a video, a written signed letter, a person in dispute doing an own confession and their mother telling it but they still wont accept it.

      There are people out there who strife for stupidity and ignorance like it was some kind of lofty goal. We truly have the governments we the people deserve.

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  5. customer - ip-address data most likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This most-likely means that they will require the ISP to keep historical customer - ip-address data.

    The overridden directive does not require any snooping for IP-traffic to be implemented into law.

  6. The profit response. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'll retain the data!
    Will you be paying for that?

    No?
    Well fuck you.

    1. Re:The profit response. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the original UK legislation for data retention was announced I had exactly this conversation with the Home Office. The response I got was "we will tell you if and when you need to retain data". So my reading of the law is that I do not have to retain it until I am notified of an investigation.

  7. Make the cost explicit in the bills by Bruce66423 · · Score: 1

    The ISPs should charge an extra amount explicitly on their bills to account for the cost of storage and administering all data requests under it. The data should of course be stored off line - a write only tape store would appear to be the obvious solution. Locating the store in another country with strict regulations about privacy would force any requests for information to go to the courts of THAT country... Here's hoping!

    1. Re:Make the cost explicit in the bills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An extra line-item on your bill would sure focus the minds of consumers. There are a couple of ISPs who might do this sort of thing, but the big ones are too in-bed with the government

    2. Re:Make the cost explicit in the bills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must say this is one of the better comments I have seen for a while on /.

      Great way to comply while nonetheless inhibiting access by the .gov.

      And don't forget to encode it using some ancient algorithm. Not encrypt of course, just security through obscurity. (:

  8. Does not apply to VPN providers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    only ISPs so Bahnhof will probably start a daughter company that provides free VPN to all Bahnhof customers. Voila, full logs to the goverment and their customers still have full privacy. Everybody is happy! :-)

  9. Appeal by hufter · · Score: 1

    Why shouldn't ISP's appeal to EU Court of Justice or European Court of Human Rights?
    CJEU stated that the directive "interferes in a particularly serious manner with the fundamental rights to respect for private life and to the protection of personal data".
    One could understand that any similar local laws or practices should be void/illegal in the EU, and in violation of European Convention on Human Rights.

    1. Re:Appeal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Several countries, e.g. The UK and Denmark have adjusted their logging laws based on this court ruling.

      It is rather technical, but the reasonings behind these adjustments goes like this:

      1) The ruling is based on the European fundamental human rights.
      2) Adherance these fundamental rights are a requirement set out in the Rome Treaty of 1956.
      3) You cannot be a European member state without adhering to the Treaty of Rome, unless adherence would endanger national security.

      Both The UK and Denmark has modified their logging laws in such a way that they are now considered a vital effort in the national security.

      I don't know about Sweden, but if they have done the same adjustments, then an appeal will be useless, because national security trumps the Treaty of Rome.

      (Cwist, I couldn't decipher the Capcha, I had to use the MP3 file)