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Is Public Debate of Trade Agreements Against the Public Interest?

onproton writes The Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP), currently being negotiated in secret, has been subject to numerous draft leaks that indicate these talks are potentially harmful to everything from public health to internet freedom. So why isn't the public involved, and why are the terms of the agreement being debated behind closed doors? According to New Zealand's current Trade Minister, Tim Groser, full disclosure of what is being discussed would likely lead to "public debate on an ill-informed basis before the deal has been done." Leaving one to question how revealing the full context and scope of the agreement talks would lead to an increase in misinformation rather than clarity.

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  1. Bullshit ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I was scanning for this argument because I am prepared to set your ass straight on some points:

    Your interpretation that the 2nd amendment was intended, in part, to help citizens defend itself against the government is whack.

    For one, you are supporting the folks who are of the opinion that:

    1.) the government (whether police officer or federal agent, soldier or sailor [who have died protecting your gun rights]) have to be killed ...

    2.) to the point that something must be done, so they get their guns and then YOU are disgusted when they kill someone of authority. Do you support those killings, like goddam Westboro church?

    Who, precisely, gets to decide when it's time to take the government out and who, precisely, gets to decide how much force is necessary?

    For another, look at what's happened since the amendment was written:

    The US government has enjoyed exponential growth in weaponry sophistication what with smart bombs, night vision, drones, attack ships, fighter jets, napalm, and a holy host of others.

    If you seriously entertain killing our armed forces, why in God's name aren't you bitching about, "weapon parity?"

    You have to be out of your goddam mind if you think your piddly-ass pea shooters are going to take out a goddam United States Navy aircraft carrier.

    Why are you not campaigning for citizens' rights to own grenades, rocket launchers, tanks and fighter jets?

    You are not doing that and you are not going to.

    And the reason is simply that you are a simple-minded non-fucking thinker who will come up with any excuse to own a fucking gun that you have never used in self-defense, anyway, and would do you zero, zip, nada fucking good in killing off the public's defenders of the goddam Constitution of the United States.

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    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.