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US Midterm Elections Discussion

November 4th will be election day in the U.S. Though the presidential race is still forming, this midterm election has lots of close races that may give a hint about the likely outcome in 2016. Many pundits and pollsters see a strong chance that Republicans will gain a majority in the Senate in Tuesday's election. Think of the discussion attached to this post as the place to discuss the election: candidates, political advertising, voting technology, and the wisdom of voter ID laws. If you are voting, this chart of poll closing times might be useful. (And, as with the similar post from 10 years ago today, you can take a look at the current poll to see what the Zeitgeist looks like for Slashdot readers, and mentally fill in the past tense, if you're one of the many early voters; not much room in the poll question field.)

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  1. Flamefest by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Think of the discussion attached to this post as the place to discuss the election:...

    Yeah...you mean a giant flame fest.

    Sometimes I think the Slashdot editors treat Slashdot like a Fire Ant hill...poke it and watch them all scurry around furiously. I bet the popcorn is popped and the drinks are being poured at Slashdot headquarters right now.

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  2. When Margin of victory less than Margin of fraud by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do Democrats Always Win Close Statewide Elections?

    . For whatever reason, when statewide races are decided by less than 1 point, Democrats win almost three-quarters of the time. When the margin opens to 1-2 points, that advantage dissipates, and the Democrats win only half the races:

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  3. The more things changes... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hope the Republicans will skip shutting down the government this year. I was out of work for eights months after they shut down the government last year for nothing. I'm still trying to recover from the Great Recession after being out of work three of the last six years and filing Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2011. These hissy-fits in Washington don't help anyone.

    1. Re:The more things changes... by Tailhook · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I hope

      Don't look to hope. Despite liberal rhetoric claiming shutdowns hurt the Right, Republicans are doing well this cycle; the 2013 shutdown has done them no harm. Listening to the MSM one might think we had sent all Republicans to gulags after two shutdowns in '95-'96, but in fact they held majorities in both houses for another 10 years.

      As Federal debt mounts you should anticipate more frequent and severe disruptions and develop alternatives for yourself. The odds of more shutdowns in 2015-16 are high.

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    2. Re:The more things changes... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The odds of more shutdowns in 2015-16 are high.

      The 2013 shutdown came about because the House Republicans refused to do their job by producing a budget, sending negotiators to the joint House-Senate conference, and voting for the COMPROMISED budget. After a 16-day government shutdown and $20B in damages to the economy, the House Republicans accepted a budget deal that they would have gotten anyway if they done their job in the first place. If the Republicans shut down the government in the next two years, I fully expect President Hillary to take them to the woodshed.

    3. Re:The more things changes... by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's because the idiots that voted for the republicans in the first place *wanted* the shutdown. We've got massive collections of people that believe all kinds of conservative fairy-tales and, unfortunately, they're a large enough part of the voting population to get their way.

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  4. Re:News For Nerds? by ichthus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Freedom of the press has taken a huge hit under the Obama admin.
    Although one could argue that the wheels were set in motion during Bush's watch, it was under Obama's Napolitano that we lost the freedom to not be groped or oggled at the airport.

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  5. Six Years Ago by tomhath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After the 2008 elections we were told the Republican Party was defunct; Democrats had an overwhelming and apparently permanent majority in both houses of Congress and a lock on the White House. Nancy Pelosi was rewriting the House rules to consolidate her control over her own party while Harry Reid had a super-majority in the Senate that prevented the Republican minority from blocking his agenda.

    How quickly things changed. A Republican elected to replace Ted Kennedy in Massachusetts? Unthinkable! Pelosi being voted out of the Speaker's job two years later. Republicans gaining enough seats in state legislatures that the Democrats complained about them redrawing congressional districts (*cough* pot meet kettle *cough*). And it looks like the front runner for the Democrats' Presidential candidate in 2012 will be 70 year old Hillary Clinton.

    1. Re:Six Years Ago by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The Republicans won the house after losing popular vote. Such a dichotomy has happened only once in the last 200 years. The current power of the Republican party stems from the gerrymandered districts. (For example: In PA Republicans lost the popular vote by 2 % and took 13 out of 18 districts).

      Now democrats who won in Obama wave of 2008 are defending deep red districts and might lose them. In 2016 the Republican senators who won in the 2010 wave will be defending. This Republican senate majority will not last long.

      The House majority will last longer. The gerrymandered districts and the hold on the state election system is making the Republican primary the real battle to win. That is creating very very hard right wing reps who take extreme positions. They alienate all the emerging vote blocs with impunity because they invulnerable. It is creating big trouble for Republicans running for Statewide offices.

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    2. Re:Six Years Ago by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Republicans won the house after losing popular vote.

      There is no nationwide "popular vote" for House seats. The election is district by district for House seats. Excess Democratic votes in a district in Los Angeles don't matter for an election in Dallas, Texas. The people that keep claiming that are either confused or engaging in dishonest rhetoric.

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    3. Re:Six Years Ago by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Of course there is no nationwide popular vote. But fact is more Americans voted for Democrats and they don't have the majority in the House. In a well designed system the House should match the vote. It does not.

      The Republican rep who got 50% + 1 in a low turn out safe red district primary does not care about any Republican running for statewide office or the national offices. His/her biggest concern is the next primary fight, coming in two years. They alienate every voting bloc in the larger nation to get through the next primary.

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  6. Re:News For Nerds? by Nyder · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because we are about to regain some freedom by telling the Democrat party to STFU and sit down?!

    Wow. If it was up to me, I'd bitch slap both parties. The problem isn't Democrats or Republicans, the problem is Democrats AND Republicans. Both parties are very incompetent. Instead of trying to help the people, both parties are more worried about the agenda's the superpac's are paying them for.

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  7. Re:News For Nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why do you idiots only have a memory lasting six years? Patriot Act was one of the worst violations of freedom as was the massive expansion of the NSA and creation of the TSA. Those happened on the previous watch. Stop being stupid.

  8. Re:News For Nerds? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's right! Vote the republicans back in! That'll work. And then, when you get pissed off with the republicans again, you can vote for... wait for it... democrats! Because everybody knows, if you don't vote for one or the other, the cops will come and shoot your dog. Do you want that blood on your hands?

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  9. Patriot Act was extended by Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why do you idiots only have a memory lasting six years? Patriot Act was one of the worst violations of freedom as was the massive expansion of the NSA and creation of the TSA. Those happened on the previous watch. Stop being stupid.

    Actually the Patriot Act was extended by Obama in 2011, extended just long enough to cover his 2nd term. Obama owns the Patriot Act. More importantly, Obama **uses** the Patriot Act. He could have ordered the Justice Department, the FBI and all the other agencies under executive branch control to stop using it, but he **chose not too**.

  10. Re:Republican gain a majority? by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are some important things they'll be able to get done. The changes in the rules of the Senate that the Democrats under Harry Reid put in place will see to that. But now the shoe will be on the other foot.

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  11. Re:Republican gain a majority? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm waiting for the Republicans to scream bloody murder when they can't get anything done in the Senate because they don't have 60 votes to override a Democratic filibuster or 67 votes to override a presidential veto.

    As to the filibuster, keep in mind that the Dems changed the rules so you don't need that supermajority anymore.

    Or did you really think that the Republicans were going to reinstate a rule that would handicap them?

    And if the Democrats decide to reinstate the filibuster before they lose control, well, they've still established that it's pretty much okay to change the rules whenever it's convenient. So the Republicans will remove it if needed (I said when the Dems decided to ditch the filibuster that it would come back to haunt them next time they were the Senate minority - most /.'ers at the time insisted that the Reps would never have a Senate majority again)

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  12. Re:News For Nerds? by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The first past the post voting system used in the United States practically guarantees that over time the political choices will devolve into two different groups. In the event that one eventually dies or becomes too unpopular, the new group will splinter and replace the old one. Under other systems, it's quite likely that either party could be relegated to being much more niche in only a matter of decades.

  13. Re: the filibuster by Fencepost · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'll note that the Dems changed the rules so you don't need the 60 votes to override for TWO things: A) Judicial nominations below the Supreme Court level and B) Executive nominations below the cabinet level and in no other situations.

    There were no changes to the filibuster for legislation (though personally I'd have loved to see it change from 60 votes to stop debate over to 40 votes to continue debate), and Mitch McConnell has indicated in the past that he doesn't see changing that should he become Majority Leader this fall.

    As for the filibuster, I'd love to see it change just on the basis of "If you say you want to continue debate, don't say that then leave town." I'm fine with continuing "debate" (not that they ever actually debate the items they're delaying/killing), but by god if you're going to do it you'd better care enough to actually stick around.

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  14. Re:News For Nerds? by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because getting votes is all they are required to do. After that they just sign the papers their "donors" put in front of them until the next cycle. If they comply, they will get funding for reelection, put on big committees, free hookers and coke (don't think I'm kidding on that), if not, it's back to managing *Al's Tires and Wheel Alignment*. No competence required, only charisma, and not much of that either. Just sign here... and here... aaand here... thankyouverymuch

    I really wonder how anybody can believe there is any honesty and what remotely could be called "honor" and respect in this business. These people couldn't be more overt. City sewers are cleaner than this. And here we are about to reelect over 90% of them back in. Maybe zombies are real.

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  15. Party loyalty makes you irrelevant ... by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For myself, the next candidate who seems reasonably competent will get my vote, doesn't matter what party.

    And that is the only way in which real reform will occur. Voting for the more competent regardless of party, voting punitively against the misbehaving or those that act against the public good regardless of party.

    Loyally voting for your party makes a person irrelevant. Their party can ignore them because they have their vote, the other party can ignore them because they cannot attain their vote.

    Belonging to a party is fine, just don't let them think they get your vote automatically. If they put up a weak candidate, if the incumbent has a history of misbehaving or acting against the public interest then sorry, maybe next time.

    Politics is darwinian. Votes are the true currency of politics. If votes are spent wisely, and punitively, politicians will adapt accordingly. This is how real reform can be achieved.

  16. Re: News For Nerds? by Fwipp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They are absolutely not two extremes - they are two points clustered very tightly around the same extreme.

  17. Re:When Analysis Goes Bad by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 4, Informative

    And when the sample size increases, the trend moves toward equilibrium. I think this is a great example of someone not understanding statistics.

    In an article that starts with an anecdote from 1986, and evaluating a Republican worry "Ever since 1986", why is the data only examined from 1998 ?

    In 16 years of data for 50 states, there should be about (16/6) * 2 + (16/4) for each state, or about 266 elections. That's 6 year Senate terms, and 4 year terms for governors. 20 out of a subset of 27 hardly seems relevant - that's 1% out of 10% of the sample size.

    If we take this quote at the bottom:

    " it tells us that the Democrats have had a significant competitive advantage in the very closest of elections, and in close elections overall, over the past 16 years, and that that advantage has grown during the Obama years."

    And combine it with the opening salvo:

    Sometimes, itâ(TM)s concern about the superior organization and manpower of organized labor. Sometimes, most famously in 2012, itâ(TM)s concern about the deficiencies of the GOPâ(TM)s get-out-the-vote operations and the Democratsâ(TM) superior use of data-mining and community-organizing tactics.

    It is fairly self explanatory.

    The part that doesn't make sense is all the time spent on a case of Chicago voter fraud from 1982. The article characterizes it as "at least 100,000 fraudulent votes had been cast in Chicago alone", implying there is more to the story. The linked article is all about Chicago.

    That last paragraph makes me really suspicious of this crackpot. That I can't access the data to check for missed analysis opportunities kinda bothers me. Maybe he's not a crackpot, let's see if I can find something to support that?

    As with any historical analysis, there may be limits to what this tells us as a predictive matter. These are not especially large sample sizes of races, and even if the trends are real, they may not be due to factors that can be replicated

    He basically says "Don't read too much into this" right there. But you apparently did.