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Adobe's Digital Editions Collecting Less Data, Says EFF

itwbennett writes Tests on the latest version of Adobe System's e-reader software shows the company is now collecting less data following a privacy-related dustup last month, according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Adobe was criticized in early October after it was discovered Digital Editions collected metadata about e-books on a device, even if the e-books did not have DRM. Those logs were also sent to Adobe in plain text. Digital Editions version 4.0.1 appears to only collect data on e-books that have DRM (Digital Rights Management), writes Cooper Quintin, a staff technologist with the EFF.

32 comments

  1. They shouldn't be collecting ANY data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What gives them the right to collect any data on how we USE the books?

    1. Re:They shouldn't be collecting ANY data by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Most likely end user licence agreement in which you agree to give them this right.

  2. Collecting fewer points of data? by mythosaz · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I know we use data oddly in the language, but are we discussing discreet points of it, or does the quality of this data suffer?

    I suppose "data" is "sand" and we don't count sands, but it still irks me.

    1. Re:Collecting fewer points of data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am sure you meant "discrete" not "discreet", right Mr. Pedant?

    2. Re:Collecting fewer points of data? by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      I am sure you meant "discrete" not "discreet", right Mr. Pedant?

      My points are intentionally unobtrusive :(

    3. Re:Collecting fewer points of data? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      I'll start paying attention to people getting huffy about the choice between "fewer" and "less" when they can give me an example where the meaning is changed by swapping the choice.

  3. Stop using Adobe Reader by greggman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Chrome has a read built in. Firefox too? There's no reason to use Adobe Reader AFAICT and hasn't been for at least a couple of years.

    1. Re:Stop using Adobe Reader by Minwee · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can stop hitting yourself in the face with a hammer too.

      If you read carefully, Adobe has been collecting data through Adobe Digital Editions, which has about five letters in common with Adobe reader.

      If you have evidence of a built-in epub reader in Chrome and Firefox, feel free to share it with the rest of the class.

    2. Re:Stop using Adobe Reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Willingly sending everything you do online to Google would help your privacy how? Chrome monitors everything you do. You can't press a key without informing Google about it.

    3. Re:Stop using Adobe Reader by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      And if you want a standalone app there's SumatraPDF - much faster and about 100 times less bloated

    4. Re:Stop using Adobe Reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are FOSS solutions, too. But all of this is off-topic; TFS is about ADE, not Reader.

    5. Re:Stop using Adobe Reader by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Informative? Really mods? When we are talking about DRM ENCRYPTED EBOOKS and NOT standard PDF files? Will Chrome open encrypted eBooks? Nope, not a chance so the fact that Chrome has a reader is about as "informative" as having somebody say "I have a kite!" when you are talking about the high prices of airplane flight.

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    6. Re:Stop using Adobe Reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't matter around here. And people don't want to hear about the countless limitations of other PDF readers either (3D content, forms, scripting, portfolios, CMYK images, digital signatures, etc -- tons of them!) But I'm sure people here will declare that nobody needs this, and their random crippled reader is all we need! Obviously, none of these people has the slightest clue about how it's used by the printing industry at large.

    7. Re:Stop using Adobe Reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter. Proprietary software is trash and shouldn't be used.

    8. Re:Stop using Adobe Reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least it works. Most open source trash is useless and doesn't get used fora good reason.

    9. Re:Stop using Adobe Reader by gomiam · · Score: 1

      Not exactly builtin but... there is a Firefox extension.

  4. Collecting less than? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Collecting less than it did before? Collecting less than too much? Exactly where is and decides the defining line? I do... by not using adobe... well, anything. My devices are much happier for it.

  5. Piracy FTW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So they are only spying on you when you read DRM'd books.

    It is like the entire content industry wants people to choose piracy.

    o Piracy means no one else knows what/when/where and how long you read/watch/listen to something
    o Piracy means no worries about losing access to something you paid for
    o Piracy means no lock-in to single devices or single manufacturer "ecosystems"

    Even if pirated content wasn't cost free and commercial free, all the other ways these guys want to fook me over for the privilege of paying them money is enough to drive anyone to pirate.

    1. Re:Piracy FTW! by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      So they are only spying on you when you read DRM'd books.

      It is like the entire content industry wants people to choose PAPER BOOKS.

      o PAPER BOOKS means no one else knows what/when/where and how long you read/watch/listen to something
      o PAPER BOOKS means no worries about losing access to something you paid for
      o PAPER BOOKS means no lock-in to single devices or single manufacturer "ecosystems"

      Even if pirated content wasn't cost free and commercial free, all the other ways these guys want to fook me over for the privilege of paying them money is enough to drive anyone to pirate.

      FTFY.

  6. ADE != Adobe Reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    don't confuse the pdf viewer (Reader) with the program to purchase and borrow digital books (ADE)

  7. Problems with browser PDF readers by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Chrome has a read built in. Firefox too?

    Both of which in my experience are flakey as hell. For example right now Chrome will display the print preview on any PDF as a blank page. There is nothing wrong with the PDF and it will print fine but you can't see it. I've had an assortment of problems with both browser's PDF readers. Chrome especially tends to break things on a semi-regular basis in our company necessitating workarounds. Chrome sometimes will display a PDF and sometime forces you to download it with no rhyme or reason why. I'd say it was just my experience but the other folks in my company tend to see pretty much the same bugs at the same time.

    Not saying Adobe Reader is great or anything but at least it works in spite of its other warts. I'm optimistic that the browsers will work out the kinks in due time but they don't work properly 100% of the time just yet.

    1. Re:Problems with browser PDF readers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For example right now Chrome will display the print preview on any PDF as a blank page. There is nothing wrong with the PDF and it will print fine but you can't see it. I've had an assortment of problems with both browser's PDF readers. Chrome especially tends to break things on a semi-regular basis in our company necessitating workarounds.

      I have been using Google Chrome on Ubuntu Linux for at least two years without any difficulty reading PDFs within the web browser when accessed via a webpage. I find it more convenient than a separate application launching in the context of wanting to read a PDF linked within a webpage. And for PDFs which I download it is as easy as clicking the name in the bottom bar of the web browser to open the PDF for reading within a new web browser tab.

      Perhaps your company is generating non-standard PDF documents. It wouldn't be the first time.

    2. Re:Problems with browser PDF readers by xclr8r · · Score: 1

      FF and GC pdf readers consistently balk at a lot of academic papers in research databases. There is an evolution in how some works were digitized that don't play nice with the newer readers expecting born digital pdfs.

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    3. Re:Problems with browser PDF readers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Both of which in my experience are flakey as hell.

      They are also slow as hell. Anything more than a basic PDF is unbearably slow in FF and chrome. First thing I do when I install a new browser is disable the interal PDF viewer and set it to hand it off to a lean-and-mean PDF viewer like Evince or Sumatra.

  8. You are going to get ONE data point from me by CRCulver · · Score: 1

    Adobe is going to get exactly one single data point from me: I open a DRMed book in Adobe Digital Editions. However, I then strip the DRM and read the book in the PDF or ebook viewer of my choice. But ADE DRM has been cracked for so many years it baffles me while it is still used at all.

  9. Nice to have the justification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of always just downloading all my reading material from The Pirate Bay.

  10. Adobe DE used for something besides stripping DRM? by Mr+Foobar · · Score: 2

    Erh, people actually -use- Adobe DE for any other legitimate purpose besides stripping out that damn DRM on an ebook?

    Didn't know it was useful for any other reason...

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  11. Re:Adobe DE used for something besides stripping D by xclr8r · · Score: 2

    Libraries use it to lend e-books. ALA was pretty ticked when it was brought to their attention. According a poll I can't seem to find at the moment libraries and museums are some of the only institutions still trusted today. http://www.ala.org/news/press-...

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  12. There's no proof they collect or send less by ciaran2014 · · Score: 1

    The article just says that data is sent less often and that it's encrypted.

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  13. Re:Adobe DE used for something besides stripping D by Rob+Bos · · Score: 1

    I work at a library, and Adobe's log server has been in our firewall for a while now. It's a violation so blatant that it actually went up a few layers of management for a change.

  14. Should be zero. by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    First, data is plural. Should be 'one datum point'. You wouldn't say you shot one elephants in your pajamas, would you?

    Second, this system should be collecting zero data points, because no one should use it. You may laugh at the onion on my belt, but it once was in fashion, and no corporation or government knows when or what books I read, or to whom I lend them. Until the same can be said of eBooks or digital editions, such systems are broken and not fit for any use.