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Mayday PAC Goes 2 For 8

An anonymous reader writes: Lawrence Lessig's Mayday.us project had a bold goal: create a super PAC to end all super PACs. It generated significant support and raised over $10 million, which it spent endorsing a group of candidates for the recent mid-term elections and the primaries beforehand. The results weren't kind. Only two of the eight candidates backed by Mayday won their elections, and both of those candidates were quite likely to win anyway. Lessig was understandably displeased with the results. In a post on the Mayday site, he said, "What 2014 shows most clearly is the power of partisanship in our elections. Whatever else voters wanted, they wanted first their team to win."

Kenneth Vogel, author of Big Money, a recent book on the rise of super PACs, was critical of of Mayday's efforts, saying, "While voters do express high levels of disgust about the state of campaign finance and the level of corruption in Washington, they tend to actually cast votes more on bread-and-butter economic issues." Still, Lessig is hopeful for the future: "We moved voters on the basis of that message. Not enough. Not cheaply enough. But they moved."

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  1. Nothing's gonna change. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The results weren't kind. Only two of the eight candidates backed by Mayday won their elections, and both of those candidates were quite likely to win anyway. "Whatever else voters wanted, they wanted first their team to win."

    Well, duh! Most people don't want to switch because that would mean they were wrong before.

    "We moved voters on the basis of that message. Not enough. Not cheaply enough. But they moved."

    Not really ...

    Until you get proportional representation (which actually gives 3rd parties a chance) it's going to be "Partisanship For The Win!"

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    1. Re:Nothing's gonna change. by flyneye · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here, even the Democrats voted Republican. Our Democrats were clearly too far left for the red state this is.
      We put back in a Governor that few actually like, because the Dem was a known tax and spend 'crat. We got rid of one of those last election, stupid Sebilius wound up running the Omamacare website. Dumb, right? Put a fuck-up in charge of a mission critical task. Typical Obama.

      We put a lazy absentee senator (Pat Roberts) back in because the Democrats dropped out of the race to support an "independent" that out 'cratted the Democrats, bobbled his head when he talked and avoided taking a stand on any issue that might show him to be a Democrat in disguise. Honestly, he must've thought the state were simple peasant rubes.

      Politics here aren't as complicated as the babbling heads would have you think. No special situation or formula at work here. Libertarians took 2-4% of the vote wherever they appeared.

      Mostly the Repubs just had to show up and give the usual, "no new taxes, no gay marriage, no illegal immigrants, No Obamacare, keep your guns, keep your money,keep your dignity" and they were in like they were covered in KY Jelly. The Dems just did the usual "We can raise a tax to fix this, we can be stylishly modern on social issues, we'll do it for the kids, we'll save the Illegal Aliens, we'll impose the latest greatest socialist philosophies and turn your state into a hippy heaven.
      This is Kansas. We even re-elected Chris Kobach, who penned the infamous Arizona immigration law as well as ours. Democrats have fucked Kansas every time they accidentally get elected. No miracles here. This is a red state and going to stay that way, because of that. But on the bright side we can have Kansas made clips for our guns with any amount of bullets, assault rifles, short shotguns and marijuana is still illegal, untaxed and cheap. GO CHIEFS!

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    2. Re:Nothing's gonna change. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, duh! Most people don't want to switch because that would mean they were wrong before.

      Either that or money doesn't buy votes as much as some believe it does. We've already seen numerous times where throwing a lot of money after a particular cause still causes it to lose anyways. Like the Colorado recall elections where the incumbents raised some 11 times what the opposition raised, yet they still lost, some of them by a landslide.

      I mean the two that Lessig's camp won...how easy would it be to argue that Lessig's camp CAUSED them to win?

    3. Re:Nothing's gonna change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      If the people of Kansas want "no new taxes, no gay marriage, no illegal immigrants, No Obamacare, keep your guns, keep your money,keep your dignity", shouldn't they get that? Should outsiders get to impose their priorities on Kansas? Or should Kansas get to choose what's right for Kansas?

    4. Re:Nothing's gonna change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Well, that and Davis is a buttsucking tax vampire that would blow off the will of the rural half of the population, tax every cent he can think of and make the schools an even bigger Fail by supporting the teachers and their "special feelings esteem powered" pass-em-on-to-the-public philosophy of teaching.
      Under Brownback, the schools will have to focus the resources they have on education and results.

      The same reason Roberts got back in; the alternative was a sniveling FAIL. Dems think this is the Clinton years or been smoking crack or something. Yeah, parent is on the money.

  2. $10M isn't even a good start anymore by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There were plenty of SuperPACs that raised more than that for individual races this election cycle, and these were midterm elections. In 2016 $10M will be chump change for election fundraising.

    If Citizens United sought to disenfranchise voters as much as possible from the election process, they will accomplish it once that election is over and voters feel that their money can no longer help out in any meaningful way.

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    1. Re: $10M isn't even a good start anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, Citizens United was a front group. It used the whole group of citizens argument as an excuse to push their agenda through, which was to open the door for unfettered corporate spending.

      I have yet to see any credible evidence that citizens were ever denied participation in the political process. Corporations on the other hand, were unable to use their outsized budgets to buy influence. That is what this case was all about, and attempts to dress it up as anything else is just more astroturfing.

  3. Ideology by ChrisMaple · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most people - about 80% by some estimates - have a fairly clear idea of what they believe, and that belief corresponds roughly to either the Democrat or Republican party. They vote according to their belief, not "Yay my team". Lessig's view is far too shallow, and in all likelihood he's blind to his own bias.

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  4. Don't totally agree by davmoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, partisanship has some to do with it. But the biggest problem that Mayday.us faces is apathy and the fact that nationally 62 percent of those legally eligible to vote did not do so.

    If you are American and you voted Tuesday, regardless of who you voted for, good for you! But if you did not vote and you were legally entitled to do so, go look in the mirror and you'll see why American government is as fucked up as it is. When 62 percent of eligible voters do not do so, America gets the government it deserves. And don't give me that "My not voting is a protest!" bullshit. All you do by not voting is magnify the voting power of the far right, which is the group most likely to go vote in American elections, and is the very group that is most likely to support the leaders you do not like.

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  5. Mayday PAC and their ilk don't want money out.... by dfenstrate · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ....of politics. They want conservative money out of politics. With the entertainment industry in lefty hands and most journalists* little more than Democratic party operatives with bylines, the Democrats have plenty of influence already.

    What they want to do is choke out conservative money, because that's the primary way Republicans get heard when leftists control the culture.

    Mayday PAC is transparent in this regard- they ran a video contest accepting amateur-made ads supporting their cause. A video attacking Tom Steyer, the left's Koch, won the popular vote by a large margin. They picked another video based on the 'judgement of their panel of experts.'

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  6. Re:Hypocrites by jmac_the_man · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is there some non-campaign finance related restrictions on speech that they're endorsing? If so, I'm not aware of it and I'd like to know more.

    No, the restrictions on who can run campaign advertisements are the free speech restrictions that cause people to oppose Lessig's group (and other groups, like Wolf PAC, which have the same goals.)

    Think about it like this. Think about the percentage of "straight news" stories that are in fact supporting one candidate or opposing the other. Most of them, right?

    That's the media. Those stories don't get covered by Lessig's restrictions, but ads in favor of the guy the media opposes are restricted. That's the big problem with Mayday style free speech restrictions. It lets some people and some corporations (media corporations and the people who run them) are allowed to say, print, or broadcast whatever they want to affect the election, but everyone else will get penalized by the government for trying to affect the election.

    Lessig's big bet is that the media will agree with him and support his guys more often. That's the problem with Mayday.

  7. Re: Oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the last six years which party has taken away more of our personal freedom's? The answer is obvious and makes your whole one party is evil argument quite invalid.

    That is a sad tale of blindness in you, and has nothing to do with the post you are responding to.

    Plese, share with us:

    Which party thinks the public should not be allowed to encrypt their data? BOTH
    Which party thinks the federal government should control education (and hence the economy) and pre-plan our economy for us? BOTH
    Which party thinks we are always at war with ever-changing enemies, and government power must constantly be extended for "these trying times" that never end? BOTH
    Which party thinks the U.S. should control the world (never mind "no entangling alliances'...such as "Five Eyes")? BOTH

    Which party thinks the NSA should form partnerships with private corporations (after having already been warned last time they tried this with phone taps) and that retroactively legalizing things makes everything ok? BOTH

    Which party thinks that once they get in office, all the prior crimes committed by the prior administration can be dismissed and ignored? BOTH

    They behave the same. There is only one party. That party stands for:

    -- interdependence instead of independence, ruining our economy and our schools by pre-planning a "global" economy with fixed wages instead of letting the free market run its course, ripping our nation's True Aims to shreds, requiring we give up more and more freedoms to protect us from international threats that never would've been problems had we not overextended ourselves all around the world, abandoning our "independence" in the name of more profits and unnecessary alliances

    -- continual dismissal of the public's right to know how their government is run, while at the same time demanding the public be tracked and monitored more and more

    -- massive hypocrisy, where "public servants" get more benefits and make more than most people get from their full-time jobs

    What exactly is different between the two "parties" again?

    You are "dumb" if you think "your" party is any different than the previous administration.

    They don't allow any "party" that holds the prior office accountable for their crimes.

    It is just a merry-go-round, you look the other way upon entering, and they look the other way once you leave.

    Please share with us the difference, there really is none.

    You get corporate fascism (merging of private and public sectors, time and time again public money disappears into private hands, for "education" or "safety" or "the economy") EITHER WAY.

    You get the continual erosion of freedoms EITHER WAY.

    You get global corporations who are reckless and the taxpayer bails them out again and again EITHER WAY.

    You get lawbreaking with impunity, again and again, EITHER WAY.

    Noone with any "prestige" goes to prison, any fine is laughable.

    The "normal" person's life would be ruined for the same crime. When a corporation or person of power breaks the same law,
    they get a stern talking to, to fool the gullible public, and a settlement out of court with no admission of wrongdoing. Noone goes to jail, noone is fired, no accounts are frozen.

    Even when someone is impeached, they do no jail time, they are always "pardoned" because "it is best for the American people that we move on"

    So how exactly are the (R)s and (D)s any different again? They both are reckless and have granted themselves powers and consider themselves far above any normal person. "Public servant" has now become "private servant" in every case.

  8. Re:Bread-and-butter brainwashed by DarkOx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why should he not worry? He is working hard to earn that money if he is thinking about leaving it as a legacy for his children to enjoy that should be his choice. What difference does it matter if its $5 or $5 million, or hell $5 billion.

    Its money he "made" and paid taxes on along the way already, none should have any claim on it, its disposition should be his discretion and his alone, the amount isn't important its a basic matter of principle.

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  9. Re:Bread-and-butter brainwashed by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He is working hard to earn that money if he is thinking about leaving it as a legacy for his children to enjoy that should be his choice. What difference does it matter if its $5 or $5 million, or hell $5 billion.

    1. The "difference" is math. You don't pay estate taxes on $5 or $5 million. It doesn't apply to the first $5.3 million dollars of inheritance.
    2. If someone wants to leave an inheritance as a legacy to his children to enjoy, it IS his choice. A tax on a huge inheritance won't prevent anybody from doing that.
    3. If someone leaves $5 million to their kids, it's usually not because they worked 100 times as hard as a school bus driver leaving $50K. In fact, the driver paid a percentage of income in tax that is roughly double what the millionaire paid.
    4. School bus drivers who make $30K per year are not going to leave behind a $5.3 million dollar fortune of hard-earned money. But all the cable news shows this guy is willing to trust have got him and his redneck friends at church panicked about the "death tax".
    5. People don't seem to understand this anymore, but it's the government's job to collect taxes on income. It doesn't matter if you have $5 or $5 million or $5 billion. If you want electricity going to traffic lights, you have to pay your fair share. Just because you're rich doesn't mean you get special rights to stuff your mattress. My friend worked hard and brought kids to school. If you want to see the hard work billionaires do, just run your kitchen faucet and light a match.
  10. Re:It's genius... by davydagger · · Score: 1, Insightful

    >Corporations cannot do anything that can get a jail sentence. A corporation cannot do anything at all. It is nothing more than a legal structure that people operate under.

    so corporations are not people, I agree. They have been ruled in court to be people, which is bad, because as you've stated, they are clearly not people.