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Mayday PAC Goes 2 For 8

An anonymous reader writes: Lawrence Lessig's Mayday.us project had a bold goal: create a super PAC to end all super PACs. It generated significant support and raised over $10 million, which it spent endorsing a group of candidates for the recent mid-term elections and the primaries beforehand. The results weren't kind. Only two of the eight candidates backed by Mayday won their elections, and both of those candidates were quite likely to win anyway. Lessig was understandably displeased with the results. In a post on the Mayday site, he said, "What 2014 shows most clearly is the power of partisanship in our elections. Whatever else voters wanted, they wanted first their team to win."

Kenneth Vogel, author of Big Money, a recent book on the rise of super PACs, was critical of of Mayday's efforts, saying, "While voters do express high levels of disgust about the state of campaign finance and the level of corruption in Washington, they tend to actually cast votes more on bread-and-butter economic issues." Still, Lessig is hopeful for the future: "We moved voters on the basis of that message. Not enough. Not cheaply enough. But they moved."

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  1. Nothing's gonna change. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The results weren't kind. Only two of the eight candidates backed by Mayday won their elections, and both of those candidates were quite likely to win anyway. "Whatever else voters wanted, they wanted first their team to win."

    Well, duh! Most people don't want to switch because that would mean they were wrong before.

    "We moved voters on the basis of that message. Not enough. Not cheaply enough. But they moved."

    Not really ...

    Until you get proportional representation (which actually gives 3rd parties a chance) it's going to be "Partisanship For The Win!"

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    1. Re:Nothing's gonna change. by flyneye · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here, even the Democrats voted Republican. Our Democrats were clearly too far left for the red state this is.
      We put back in a Governor that few actually like, because the Dem was a known tax and spend 'crat. We got rid of one of those last election, stupid Sebilius wound up running the Omamacare website. Dumb, right? Put a fuck-up in charge of a mission critical task. Typical Obama.

      We put a lazy absentee senator (Pat Roberts) back in because the Democrats dropped out of the race to support an "independent" that out 'cratted the Democrats, bobbled his head when he talked and avoided taking a stand on any issue that might show him to be a Democrat in disguise. Honestly, he must've thought the state were simple peasant rubes.

      Politics here aren't as complicated as the babbling heads would have you think. No special situation or formula at work here. Libertarians took 2-4% of the vote wherever they appeared.

      Mostly the Repubs just had to show up and give the usual, "no new taxes, no gay marriage, no illegal immigrants, No Obamacare, keep your guns, keep your money,keep your dignity" and they were in like they were covered in KY Jelly. The Dems just did the usual "We can raise a tax to fix this, we can be stylishly modern on social issues, we'll do it for the kids, we'll save the Illegal Aliens, we'll impose the latest greatest socialist philosophies and turn your state into a hippy heaven.
      This is Kansas. We even re-elected Chris Kobach, who penned the infamous Arizona immigration law as well as ours. Democrats have fucked Kansas every time they accidentally get elected. No miracles here. This is a red state and going to stay that way, because of that. But on the bright side we can have Kansas made clips for our guns with any amount of bullets, assault rifles, short shotguns and marijuana is still illegal, untaxed and cheap. GO CHIEFS!

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    2. Re:Nothing's gonna change. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, duh! Most people don't want to switch because that would mean they were wrong before.

      Either that or money doesn't buy votes as much as some believe it does. We've already seen numerous times where throwing a lot of money after a particular cause still causes it to lose anyways. Like the Colorado recall elections where the incumbents raised some 11 times what the opposition raised, yet they still lost, some of them by a landslide.

      I mean the two that Lessig's camp won...how easy would it be to argue that Lessig's camp CAUSED them to win?

    3. Re:Nothing's gonna change. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      ... But on the bright side we can have Kansas made clips for our guns with any amount of bullets, assault rifles, short shotguns and marijuana is still illegal, untaxed and cheap.

      I lost it on those last three words. Good post.

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    4. Re:Nothing's gonna change. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2

      Another thing about that spending, too -- election advertising this year ran about $3.7 billion overall. This is real cash, but it's about real issues and the future of our nation is at stake and many policy proposals could make a significant impact in the nation's $3 trillion-a-year economy. Proctor and Gamble spends about $5 billion a year advertising for the likes of laundry detergent, Nyquil, and diapers.

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    5. Re:Nothing's gonna change. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      the future of our nation is at stake

      When is it ever NOT at stake?

    6. Re:Nothing's gonna change. by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      That's because money is not the issue. Psychology is. Money is just the scapegoat to avoid addressing that. We don't want people realizing that they are responsible for the people they elect. So, let's blame the 'system'. There are few buckets in this world that contain more crap.

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    7. Re:Nothing's gonna change. by binarstu · · Score: 4, Informative

      Democrats have fucked Kansas every time they accidentally get elected. No miracles here. This is a red state and going to stay that way, because of that.

      You think that's why Brownback got re-elected as governor? If your analysis were even remotely correct, he would have had absolutely no chance at winning on Tuesday: he's led your state to huge upcoming budget deficits, an increased poverty rate, much lower economic growth than all four neighboring states, and a downgraded state credit rating.

      Yet, despite all of the above, Brownback still kept his job, because, you know... "liberals and taxes are bad." Never mind if the alternative is flushing your state down the toilet.

  2. Capitalism. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The government is just another business, and people will want to buy pieces of it.

    You can't put a band-aid over an asshole to stop the spread of shit. It's a problem inherent to the system.

    1. Re:Capitalism. by drfred79 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If the government was actually a corporation it wouldn't be losing money and it would function well at what it set out to do.

    2. Re:Capitalism. by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      Businesses die off or fail all the time. Being a business isn't some magical code-word for guaranteed success. Businesses that turn into de facto monopolies like a government tend to suck and do a crap job because they really don't have to care and there's no competition. Look at Comcast and tell me that you'd want that for a government. Every bit as inept and rent seeking.

      If we wanted a system that took the best aspects of capitalism, you'd let the states compete to see who can do the best job to win the chance to run the country as a whole. Obviously that's a general idea and an implementation would have a lot of issues to address, but you can't simply state that if the government were a business that all would be well in the world.

  3. $10M isn't even a good start anymore by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There were plenty of SuperPACs that raised more than that for individual races this election cycle, and these were midterm elections. In 2016 $10M will be chump change for election fundraising.

    If Citizens United sought to disenfranchise voters as much as possible from the election process, they will accomplish it once that election is over and voters feel that their money can no longer help out in any meaningful way.

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    1. Re: $10M isn't even a good start anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, Citizens United was a front group. It used the whole group of citizens argument as an excuse to push their agenda through, which was to open the door for unfettered corporate spending.

      I have yet to see any credible evidence that citizens were ever denied participation in the political process. Corporations on the other hand, were unable to use their outsized budgets to buy influence. That is what this case was all about, and attempts to dress it up as anything else is just more astroturfing.

    2. Re: $10M isn't even a good start anymore by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Informative

      You really should spend some time learning about that which you speak. Citizens United was a group formed to oppose Hillary Clinton's run for President. They made a documentary about her career that they intended to distribute leading up to the primaries (and then the general election) in 2008. When the FEC told them that they were not allowed to do so within a certain number of days of the election because it violated campaign finance laws, they sued.
      I remember reading about them as they gathered support and money to make the movie. Several prominent members in Citizens United had been speaking out against a Hillary Clinton presidency for several years at that point. So, the idea that this group was formed solely to challenge election finance law is ludicrous.

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  4. The federal government is a lost cause by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    For now, at least. Too many votes in the same geographic region are required to win one paltry seat. This is why reform must target state legislative positions more than federal positions. If a third party won enough seats in a state to block a majority from the Democrats or Republicans, it would open the door to forcing the hands of the establishment in unprecedented ways. If they could hold onto that, it'd probably be a matter of time before they send either their own candidate to the governorship or attorney general or get a Democrat or Republican who meets their approval. And why does that matter? Because the states have tremendous law enforcement power and may of the more serious problems facing this country are matters of putting the right people in prison, not passing new laws.

  5. Hypocrites by JWW · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think the biggest thing Mayday PAC did wrong is that they were, in the end, massive hypocrites.

    Their "competition" for the best video about the effect of big money was such an enormous debacle and a clear showing that their true goal was not to get money out of politics, but to get Conservative (and even libertarian) money out of politics. Their embracing and providing cover for Tom Steyer, who openly talked about influencing elections with large amounts of his money, makes Mayday PAC a bunch of liars.

    http://freebeacon.com/politics...

    If Mayday were true to its stated vision, they would have condemned Steyer's actions. That they did not condemn him like they constantly did the Koch brothers proves that they don't really want what they say they want.

    On top of this, their support for a constitutional amendment that would allow congress to restrict speech, makes them a contemptable organization.

    I really respect Lessig's views on copyrights and patents. His efforts with his Mayday PAC have made me lose great amounts of respect for him.

    1. Re:Hypocrites by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      On top of this, their support for a constitutional amendment that would allow congress to restrict speech, makes them a contemptible organization.

      I searched around a bit and this is what I found:

      Our plan for reform has four stages:

      3. In 2017, we will then press to get Congress to pass, and the President to sign, legislation that fundamentally reforms the way elections are funded.

      4. After a Congress has been elected under this new system, we will push for whatever constitutional reform is necessary to secure the gains from this reform.

      Is there some non-campaign finance related restrictions on speech that they're endorsing?
      If so, I'm not aware of it and I'd like to know more.

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    2. Re:Hypocrites by jmac_the_man · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is there some non-campaign finance related restrictions on speech that they're endorsing? If so, I'm not aware of it and I'd like to know more.

      No, the restrictions on who can run campaign advertisements are the free speech restrictions that cause people to oppose Lessig's group (and other groups, like Wolf PAC, which have the same goals.)

      Think about it like this. Think about the percentage of "straight news" stories that are in fact supporting one candidate or opposing the other. Most of them, right?

      That's the media. Those stories don't get covered by Lessig's restrictions, but ads in favor of the guy the media opposes are restricted. That's the big problem with Mayday style free speech restrictions. It lets some people and some corporations (media corporations and the people who run them) are allowed to say, print, or broadcast whatever they want to affect the election, but everyone else will get penalized by the government for trying to affect the election.

      Lessig's big bet is that the media will agree with him and support his guys more often. That's the problem with Mayday.

    3. Re:Hypocrites by unity · · Score: 2
      "Their "competition" for the best video about the effect of big money was such an enormous debacle and a clear showing that their true goal was not to get money out of politics, but to get Conservative (and even libertarian) money out of politics"

      And worth mentioning. If you look at the top 10 spending SuperPACs in the last cycle, you'll find that the left-leaning PACs outspent the right-leaning PACs by more than double.

      The top 3 super pac disbursements this cycle were from the left: NextGen Climate, Senate Majority, House Majority. They spent over $160 Million combined The next 3 were from the right: American Crossroads, Freedom Partners, Ending Spending Action. They spent less than half of what the left spent at $76 million combined Rounding out the top 10 we have: NEA Advocacy (left leaning) $18 Milllion Congressional Leadership Fund (right leaning) $16 Million Americans for Responsible Solutions (left leaning) $16 Million Independence USA (left leaning) $15 Million Which totals another $49 Million on the left, and $16 Million on the right The grand total for the top 10 equals $209 Million for the left and $92 Million for the right.

      http://realtime.influenceexplo...

  6. Ideology by ChrisMaple · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most people - about 80% by some estimates - have a fairly clear idea of what they believe, and that belief corresponds roughly to either the Democrat or Republican party. They vote according to their belief, not "Yay my team". Lessig's view is far too shallow, and in all likelihood he's blind to his own bias.

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  7. Maybe the voters just rejected THEM... by jmac_the_man · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What 2014 shows most clearly is the power of partisanship in our elections. Whatever else voters wanted, they wanted first their team to win.

    Maybe they showed that. Or maybe they showed that the voters don't want to put Lawrence Lessig in charge of determining who gets free speech and who does not. Maybe the voters think that individuals shouldn't lose their right to express their support for a candidate financially just because they're acting in a group. Maybe the voters think that the voters should be exposed to more information on a candidate than just what the news shows them, because the news goes out of its way to favor certain candidates and certain policies. Maybe the voters think that campaign finance laws invariably turn into incumbent protection schemes, and they think there's a lot of crappy incumbents. In short, maybe the voters rejected Lessig's idea because they think it's a bad idea.

    Also, this was a wave election for Republicans. I wouldn't expect anyone using Communist imagery (and who launched on a Communist holiday*) to do well in this environment.

    *If a leftist wants to convince me that his organization, which is named after a website URL and so can't contain a space, should be interpreted as "Mayday" rather than "May Day," there are 364 better days to launch the organization on than May 1st. You'll note Wolf PAC doesn't have this problem.

  8. Don't totally agree by davmoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, partisanship has some to do with it. But the biggest problem that Mayday.us faces is apathy and the fact that nationally 62 percent of those legally eligible to vote did not do so.

    If you are American and you voted Tuesday, regardless of who you voted for, good for you! But if you did not vote and you were legally entitled to do so, go look in the mirror and you'll see why American government is as fucked up as it is. When 62 percent of eligible voters do not do so, America gets the government it deserves. And don't give me that "My not voting is a protest!" bullshit. All you do by not voting is magnify the voting power of the far right, which is the group most likely to go vote in American elections, and is the very group that is most likely to support the leaders you do not like.

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    1. Re:Don't totally agree by Burz · · Score: 2

      Its dumbasses like you that think "As long as you are voting for the lesser of two evils you are making a difference"

      There is such a thing as a protest vote, "dumbass".

      Showing up to vote is critically important. At the very least it ensures the authorities will have to do the dirty, dirty work of physically turning people away if they have been purged from the rolls.

    2. Re:Don't totally agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why not become the person who cares about the candidates and issues? Even if just quietly and personally. There are some sites out there like BallotPedia that are a great resource when an upcoming election is near. It'll show you the positions up for election, the candidates, and any additional questions/measures that will be on the ballot. Some night before the election, look at the people up for election, spend a little time looking at their accomplishments (or lack thereof) and what they advocate, make a list of who you'll vote for (on your phone perhaps), and take the list to the booth. I know it helps me a lot.

  9. Mayday PAC and their ilk don't want money out.... by dfenstrate · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ....of politics. They want conservative money out of politics. With the entertainment industry in lefty hands and most journalists* little more than Democratic party operatives with bylines, the Democrats have plenty of influence already.

    What they want to do is choke out conservative money, because that's the primary way Republicans get heard when leftists control the culture.

    Mayday PAC is transparent in this regard- they ran a video contest accepting amateur-made ads supporting their cause. A video attacking Tom Steyer, the left's Koch, won the popular vote by a large margin. They picked another video based on the 'judgement of their panel of experts.'

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  10. Re:Bread-and-butter brainwashed by cduffy · · Score: 2

    Unless it's upwards of $5.3M in value, the estate doesn't even need to file.

    I think he'll be okay.

  11. Get in the primaries, and avoid 3rd parties by stomv · · Score: 2

    For Lessig's group to be successful, they need to stay out of the general election, and away from third parties.

    1. Stay out of the general. Most congressional districts lean just enough Democrat or Republican than supporting the "favored" candidate is a waste of resources and favoring the "unfavored" candidate is too. If the race really is close, then (a) it will get really expensive, and (b) that candidate isn't likely to still be in Congress 10 years from now -- it's a tough district!

    Instead, fight in the primaries. Go to districts where the Dem or Repub candidate is sure to win the general, whomever he or she is. Then, find like-minded candidates of that party willing to run in a primary. A primary race is cheaper and easier to influence -- and if you win it, you'll coast through the general and coast through reelections. Invest in both Democratic and Republican primaries, getting candidates who want the kind of campaign finance reform Lessig's group wants, and to hell with the rest of it. Bonus if the primary is "open" -- that is, there is no incumbent.

    2. Stay away from third party candidates. First of all, they almost never win. There are what, two in the Senate (VT and ME senators Sanders and King, respectively), and zero in the House if memory serves. That's 2 out of 535. Terrible odds. Secondly, even if they do win -- they're independents! Their opinions change rather easily! They're unpredictable, and they take pride on being "mavericky." Look at the independents who gave good runs in 2014 -- very hard to predict where they would come down on the details of any campaign finance reform.

    Lessig mistakenly got behind independents, foolishly believing that they had a shot in hell at winning. He also spent too much money in November, when the real action is between June and September.

  12. Re: Oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the last six years which party has taken away more of our personal freedom's? The answer is obvious and makes your whole one party is evil argument quite invalid.

    That is a sad tale of blindness in you, and has nothing to do with the post you are responding to.

    Plese, share with us:

    Which party thinks the public should not be allowed to encrypt their data? BOTH
    Which party thinks the federal government should control education (and hence the economy) and pre-plan our economy for us? BOTH
    Which party thinks we are always at war with ever-changing enemies, and government power must constantly be extended for "these trying times" that never end? BOTH
    Which party thinks the U.S. should control the world (never mind "no entangling alliances'...such as "Five Eyes")? BOTH

    Which party thinks the NSA should form partnerships with private corporations (after having already been warned last time they tried this with phone taps) and that retroactively legalizing things makes everything ok? BOTH

    Which party thinks that once they get in office, all the prior crimes committed by the prior administration can be dismissed and ignored? BOTH

    They behave the same. There is only one party. That party stands for:

    -- interdependence instead of independence, ruining our economy and our schools by pre-planning a "global" economy with fixed wages instead of letting the free market run its course, ripping our nation's True Aims to shreds, requiring we give up more and more freedoms to protect us from international threats that never would've been problems had we not overextended ourselves all around the world, abandoning our "independence" in the name of more profits and unnecessary alliances

    -- continual dismissal of the public's right to know how their government is run, while at the same time demanding the public be tracked and monitored more and more

    -- massive hypocrisy, where "public servants" get more benefits and make more than most people get from their full-time jobs

    What exactly is different between the two "parties" again?

    You are "dumb" if you think "your" party is any different than the previous administration.

    They don't allow any "party" that holds the prior office accountable for their crimes.

    It is just a merry-go-round, you look the other way upon entering, and they look the other way once you leave.

    Please share with us the difference, there really is none.

    You get corporate fascism (merging of private and public sectors, time and time again public money disappears into private hands, for "education" or "safety" or "the economy") EITHER WAY.

    You get the continual erosion of freedoms EITHER WAY.

    You get global corporations who are reckless and the taxpayer bails them out again and again EITHER WAY.

    You get lawbreaking with impunity, again and again, EITHER WAY.

    Noone with any "prestige" goes to prison, any fine is laughable.

    The "normal" person's life would be ruined for the same crime. When a corporation or person of power breaks the same law,
    they get a stern talking to, to fool the gullible public, and a settlement out of court with no admission of wrongdoing. Noone goes to jail, noone is fired, no accounts are frozen.

    Even when someone is impeached, they do no jail time, they are always "pardoned" because "it is best for the American people that we move on"

    So how exactly are the (R)s and (D)s any different again? They both are reckless and have granted themselves powers and consider themselves far above any normal person. "Public servant" has now become "private servant" in every case.

  13. No, Citizens United predates Hillary's run by Nova+Express · · Score: 2
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  14. Re:Hire the new boss! by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Informative

    If Ted Cruze is saying the opposite of what you want done, then I'll start listening to him.

    The supreme court did not rip the first amendment at all. It simply said that some forms of speech costs money and that people can pool together in order to afford that costs. It said that people who have already pooled together for other reasons can spend their resources on speech too.

    Stopping that from happening is in fact denying free speech to those people in the same way you think it is bad. When people cannot pool their resources together to speak about their candidate or against another candidate, they have lost their ability to make speech that has any impact. This has nothing to do with corporate donations- when you tell people or corporations which are run by people and owned by people, that they can have all the free speech they want except when you do not agree with it or the way they are speaking- you have ripped the first amendment yourself.

  15. Re:Bread-and-butter brainwashed by DarkOx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why should he not worry? He is working hard to earn that money if he is thinking about leaving it as a legacy for his children to enjoy that should be his choice. What difference does it matter if its $5 or $5 million, or hell $5 billion.

    Its money he "made" and paid taxes on along the way already, none should have any claim on it, its disposition should be his discretion and his alone, the amount isn't important its a basic matter of principle.

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  16. Re:Bread-and-butter brainwashed by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He is working hard to earn that money if he is thinking about leaving it as a legacy for his children to enjoy that should be his choice. What difference does it matter if its $5 or $5 million, or hell $5 billion.

    1. The "difference" is math. You don't pay estate taxes on $5 or $5 million. It doesn't apply to the first $5.3 million dollars of inheritance.
    2. If someone wants to leave an inheritance as a legacy to his children to enjoy, it IS his choice. A tax on a huge inheritance won't prevent anybody from doing that.
    3. If someone leaves $5 million to their kids, it's usually not because they worked 100 times as hard as a school bus driver leaving $50K. In fact, the driver paid a percentage of income in tax that is roughly double what the millionaire paid.
    4. School bus drivers who make $30K per year are not going to leave behind a $5.3 million dollar fortune of hard-earned money. But all the cable news shows this guy is willing to trust have got him and his redneck friends at church panicked about the "death tax".
    5. People don't seem to understand this anymore, but it's the government's job to collect taxes on income. It doesn't matter if you have $5 or $5 million or $5 billion. If you want electricity going to traffic lights, you have to pay your fair share. Just because you're rich doesn't mean you get special rights to stuff your mattress. My friend worked hard and brought kids to school. If you want to see the hard work billionaires do, just run your kitchen faucet and light a match.