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Multi-Process Comes To Firefox Nightly, 64-bit Firefox For Windows 'Soon'
An anonymous reader writes with word that the Mozilla project has made two announcements that should make hardcore Firefox users very happy. The first is that multi-process support is landing in Firefox Nightly, and the second is that 64-bit Firefox is finally coming to Windows. The features are a big deal on their own, but together they show Mozilla's commitment to the desktop version of Firefox as they both improve performance and security. The news is part of a slew of unveilings from the company on the browser's 10th anniversary — including new Firefox features and the debut of Firefox Developer Edition.
I'm hoping for a return to the Netscape Navigator v3 interface, myself.
Yes, it is too bad that developers often want to do new shiny things instead of usable things.
We prefer Firefox, but I was about to switch my wife over to using Chrome as it has become impossible to figure out which of the dozens of tabs she has open was slowing everything down, even with ad-blocking enabled. It will be interesting to see how the multi-process support impacts memory overhead, though, as Firefox has had the lead on Chrome in that area.
It is too bad that chrome is unusable due to the multi process architecture causing so much overhead.
I tried opening all the windows and tabs I have open in waterfox at 4.5 gigs used memory for fun in chrome and had to stop when the total memory use went over 50 gigs as everything was kind of slow at that point...
So I am hoping that same problem will not happen in firefox 64 bit when it comes out.
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I use all the google services on chrome and everything else in waterfox as google is just so bad at programming that their products are just too annoying to use on other things.
Pale Moon has been available in x64 for a long time now, and doesn't have advertisements bundled into it.
I'll just stay put.
I've been using Firefox for the past six months or so because I don't like Chrome, but Chrome still has the technology edge in several cases. This looks to be bridging at least some of that gap. It would have been better if it happened three years ago, but late is better than never.
If you can't convince them, convict them.
this is true. I can;t see how following the bandwagon of Chrome actually makes things better with Firefox. Multi-process architecture... I've not really noticed a problem with the threaded one, and Firefox already sticks flash objects in a separate process. So what's the real draw... except "well the guy down the road has one so we have to have one too".
64bit... again, bragging points about how many bits you use, no functional difference to anyone. Its like when I gave the 32 bit version of Visual Studio to a colleague and he complained that he wanted the 64 bit version.... there is no 64 bit version because it isn't needed. Its just the typical knee-jerk reaction that 64 bits is somehow essential for everything, not just those programs that really do require it.
Which of course applies doubly for a multi-process browser!
I can't remember the last time FF gained a new feature I actually gave a fuck about. I've gotten completely accustomed to FF updates only removing/neutering useful features and covering the GUI in Play Dough. Multi-process support would be a genuinely meaningful upgrade for once, but I agree there's no way it would make up for Australis.
The article is about the addition of 2 to Firefox Nightly. For 1, I have been using Flashblock for years. It's so effective at controlling bullcrap ads that I really haven't needed any other ad blocker, even on an old 10" laptop with an Atom CPU and 1 GB of RAM.
I switched to Chrome a while back when it came out. It supported most of the then new HTML5 features, most importantly, playing youtube videos without flash. At first I used chrome sparingly, it took a bit to get used to. Then, after a few vulnerabilities were found in FF which could allow attackers to read the memory of other tabs, I switched. The internet is a dangerous place, multiprocess sandboxing of tabs made perfect sense. I also really liked its UI which was much more simple: tabs, URL bar and a few controls like forward, back and reload along with a settings button.
But it came with a cost. I connected it to my google account and it also integrated with my phone and tablet bringing my bookmarks, passwords and other credentials across all of my devices. So I am hooked on the convenience of Google integration, for better or worse. Worse most likely. Plus logging into sites that use Google is very convenient. I'm addicted.
So going back to FF for me will be difficult.
My only concern with multi process is memory footprint. FF is great for low memory systems like virtual machines and older systems. Chrome is a memory hog and easily uses a gigabyte or more. Right now with 8 tabs open I have 12 chrome processes, two are close to consuming nearly 300 megs each, one nearly 200 and the remaining are anywhere from 12-87 megs. I assume the three large processes are the ones running the show (windows, IPC, etc). The largest being the parent process that spawns the others. The smaller 8 processes are the actual tabs. That is pretty much 1 gig of RAM for 8 tabs. I have computers and VM's with less running various test systems. FF on those machines clocks in at 250-300 megs under heavy use.
My daily web browser is Nightly. A few days ago when they enabled e10s by default I found out about the change because my browser crashed on startup. The only way I could get it working again was to start Nightly in Safe Mode and disable e10s. Multiprocess in Nightly is varying states of very broken for most addons. For me the key ones are HTTPSEverywhere, Adblock Plus, and Reddit Enhancement Suite. None of these addons are functional with e10s enabled currently.
Damn right.
Would a 'friendly community' welcome a new boss who supported banning inter-racial marriage? No, and the oh but it's just a personal view nonsense wouldn't fly there either.
Notice they add the new advertising features yesterday and then make the things people want (official 64-bit support, better performance) a future version feature.
Gotta take your medicine before you get candy.
Firefox has had the ask-to-activate for flash for some time. Go to about:addons, select plugins from the menu on the left, and next to each plugins there is a menu where you can select ask to activate.
Yea, its sad that the development world has turned to multi-process instead of fixing their damn code
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Actually, no. See, people have the right to be intolerant, and begrudging them that right is, plain and simple, as bigoted as denying any other right for any other reason. That, of course, is on top of being entirely hypocritical, being intolerant of intolerance, and such. You don't have to agree with someone else's opinion in order to allow them to have it.
You're welcome to hang on to your logical fallacy, though. Have fun with it.
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The so-called paradox of freedom is the argument that freedom in the sense of absence of any constraining control must lead to very great restraint, since it makes the bully free to enslave the meek. The idea is, in a slightly different form, and with very different tendency, clearly expressed in Plato.
Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.
Karl Popper, Vol. 1, Notes to the Chapters: Ch. 7, Note 4
Paradox is not necessarily a fallacy, and blind moral relativism is not a good thing. There is no need to be tolerant of the views of murderous dictators, rabid extremists, or any other group which opposes freedom and tolerance. Resisting bigots results in more tolerance, not less (although if you're a bigot you might think the distribution is unfair).
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Indeed, the GUIs for bookmarks always has been crap, it's a dump of links, you end up scrolling a drop down menu without a scroll bar, and it's not clear why would I want to bookmark everything I read then spend time cleaning it up.
Having 220 tabs is not really special. It's like asking "who ever reads a book or magazine with 220 pages? no one ever reads that much".
I haven't had Firefox crash on MacOS or Linux in ages, and I use it all day every day. For me, it seems a lot more reliable than it used to be.
I'm not going to say I agree with all of Mozilla's decisions, but implying they lack "adult supervision" shows you know nothing about how they work. They are a very dedicated - if sometimes misguided - group. As for Mozilla Foundation, I couldn't tell you.