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How 4H Is Helping Big Ag Take Over Africa

Lasrick writes 4H is in Africa, helping to distribute Big Ag products like DuPont's Pioneer seeds through ostensibly good works aimed at youth. In Africa, where the need to produce more food is especially urgent, DuPont Pioneer and other huge corporations have made major investments. But there are drawbacks: "DuPont's nutritious, high-yielding, and drought-tolerant hybrid seed costs 10 times as much. While Ghanaians typically save their own seeds to plant the next year, hybrid seeds get weaker by the generation; each planting requires another round of purchasing. What's more, says Devlin Kuyek, a researcher with the sustainable-farming nonprofit Genetic Resources Action International, because hybrid seeds are bred for intensive agriculture, they typically need chemicals to thrive."

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  1. So, does water cost more? by mveloso · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What are the possible choices for farmers?

    1. grow crappy crops with free seeds and lots of expensive water,
    2. grow good groups with seeds that you need to pay for but use less water?

    #2 will make you more money, so the cost of the seeds is a non-factor. #1 will make you poor, because when it doesn't rain your crops die.

    So, what exactly is the issue?

    1. Re:So, does water cost more? by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      #2 will make you more money, so the cost of the seeds is a non-factor. #1 will make you poor, because when it doesn't rain your crops die.

      So, what exactly is the issue?

      The issue is that you didn't RTFA.
      Most farmers cannot afford the seeds, so the cost turns out to be the main factor.
      Add in the price of synthetic fertilizers and most farmers can only use DuPont seeds if their government subsidizes the products.

      There are important questions surrounding the wisdom of allowing 1 corporation to be a choke point for a significant portion of any country's agricultural output.

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    2. Re:So, does water cost more? by hibiki_r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OK, if that's really how it works, why do American farmers plant so much agribusiness seed? Are they all wrong, and losing money? Because if there's one thing that a farmer will ask when you suggest a change to his growth protocol, is how is it going to make him more money.

      Hybrid vigor is a thing, and the only way to maintain said vigor across generations is to grow inbred plants, and then cross them purposefully. This works without GMOs, and is easy to prove.

      Again, for your option to be true, hundreds of thousands of farmers in the US are making terrible choices, season after season. 95% of soybeans planted in America come from agribusiness: The seeds people had just can't compete in yield. How do you explain farmer's behavior?

    3. Re:So, does water cost more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You must be living in some fantasy, utopian version of Africa where non-GMO seeds produce sturdy, disease free crops with high yields and high edible mass.

      Food production through traditional means is highly problematic here.

      There's a popular belief that life was paradise before all the big mean corporations came along, but the good old days sucked hard for multiple reasons. Try losing your entire crop year after year to disease. Try praying for rain so you can grow enough to live on.

      GMO crops do reduce margins, no doubt. But the notion that they turn a formerly profit-rich enterprise into slave labor is laughable.

    4. Re:So, does water cost more? by silfen · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Mostly the little generals who rule damn near the whole continent, and the outside meddlers who threaten to invade if the generals don't hand over the goods.

      So you're saying that Monsanto's GMO crops are responsible for African shitholes being run by military dictators?

      That is the cause of most of the world's poverty today.

      The cause of most of the world's poverty is government interference in free trade and free markets, in large part because of idiocy like what you promote.

    5. Re: So, does water cost more? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The market chooses GMO.

      Um, which market would that be? Over here it looks like the market has chosen otherwise.

      Also, get back to us when you understand what "choice" means. The fact you can begin a sentence with, "It not like someone takes a gun and forces...," and apparently keep a straight face tells us that you don't.

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  2. So "Big Ag" is short for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Big Agriculture", and not "Big Silver". I thought this was about mining silver in Africa.

  3. Re: SO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, consider that the 'better' crops can essentially be held hostage. When you don't have natural seeds commonly sold anymore, guess who suddenly has a monopoly on agriculture?
    'This year's a seeds are going to cost double because of manufacturing problems.. You DO want a crop this year, right?'

  4. Re:Alternative? by sideslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd like to, but Big Ag and GMO proponents have lobbied hard to keep labels on food from saying if it is GMO or not. If this shit is soooooo good for us, then label it and let the market decide.

    GMO foods are harmful in exactly the same way that homeopathy can cure major illnesses. i.e. it may be true, but nobody has proven it yet, so it hasn't entered the pages of peer reviewed research, just like homeopathy hasn't penetrated Western medicine. I would guess that's the reason that laws about labeling of GMO foods aren't ubiquitous. If you are aware of respectable studies that prove otherwise about GMO foods, I'd love to see them -- seriously.

  5. Re:Alternative? by hibiki_r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, it's really about a binary label of GMO/No GMO being pretty deceitful, and pretty expensive for what you get, especially for very processed foods.

    The argument of wanting information would make a lot more sense if the labeling was actually detailed, as it's not like there is only a single strain of GMO corn in the market: We are well in the hundreds over the years, just with corn and soybeans. Surely a variety of GMO that has been out there for 10 years is different than one that is new for this season, right?

    When you make the label binary, then what you are really telling the consumer is that all that matters is whether there are GMOs in there or not, and that only makes any sense for people that just think that GMOs are bad in principle.

    There's also the costs involved. It's not as if most companies out there buy their grain from a single farmer, so accurate labeling puts quite a bit of expense into the entire supply chain.

    You'd be better off just labeling certified organic. Then you at least only put the onus on those that really want a certification, instead of on everyone. Not that it increases food safety anyway: You'd be surprised by how toxic many treatments that are certified organic can be,

  6. Re: SO by alexander_686 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If he is, he has the weight of evidence supports him.

    http://www.plosone.org/article...
    In short, after factoring in the higher costs of using GM seed, GMO crops help developing farms substantially. Even more so than the farmers in developed markets.

  7. Re: SO by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Africa is a victim of corrupt resource management. Nothing can be done until that is addressed.

    Africa is not monolithic. There are certainly corrupt countries in Africa. But Ghana, the subject of TFA, is one of the least corrupt, and most prosperous countries on the continent. The are a democracy, with well functioning institutions, a free press, near universal literacy, and a per capita GDP of about $4k, which makes them a middle income country.

  8. Re:Nope by Your.Master · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are confused about what homeopathy means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.... Homeopathic medicine is very specifically not medicine.

    You are thinking of traditional medicine. Which is, indeed, not 100% hogwash (not 0% either).

    quite frankly if there is no proven harm there should be no harm in a label.

    It's just arbitrary. Might as well label something as made by people with princess leia hair. I'm pretty sure there's no proven harm, but I would oppose a label for that.

    Agitate for people to label things as non-GMO. That's what you really want anyway. When you go to the store for milk you don't check each liquid vessel to exclude the ones that contain traces of apple, orange, alcohol, etc.., you go for milk. If you want something that contains no GMO, then ask for no-GMO labels (and enforce truth-in-advertising laws).

    Lets not forget that a large reason for GMO seeds is to increase yields by protecting plants from pests. We are already seeing super pests [ucsusa.org] that can bypass the built in GMO protection and creating a much larger threat to agriculture than existed previously.

    Here is an actual point. However, labelling isn't likely to solve that, you'd have to completely ban them. I'm extremely skeptical that we are worse off, but I'm willing to hear more. So far it looks just like the same "Red Queen's Race" evolution has always provided.