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Dishwasha (125561) writes I recently purchased a couple 128GB MicroSDXC card from a Chinese supplier via Alibaba at 1/5th the price of what is available in the US. I will be putting one in my phone and another in my laptop. A few days after purchased, it occurred to me there may be a potential risk with non-USB flash devices similar to USB firmware issues. Does anybody know if there are any known firmware issues with SD or other non-USB flash cards that could effectively allow a foreign seller/distributor to place malicious software on my Android phone or laptop simply on insertion of the device with autoplay turned off?

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  1. Make you sure you can read and write every bit by kimgkimg · · Score: 5, Informative

    You'll want to check to make sure you are actually getting a 128GB card. I've gotten a couple of fake flash drives and cards over the years which report the proper capacity and will even format, but when you try to write actual data to the device you end up with corrupt files. If the price is too good to be true, it generally is, so I don't buy cards or sticks from vendors that I can't return anymore. Use H2TESTW to test the speed and capacity of your flash card/device: http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/S...

  2. Click the Contact Supplier button by fat_mike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or search Google or better yet be lazy and do no research at all and then post a question on Slashdot!

  3. Probably fake cards, actually by Omega+Hacker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you think you're getting a card for 1/5th the price, you're probably getting 1/5th the card. I have personal experience with cards that claim to be 8GB but only have 1GB of actual flash in them. I won't touch on the malware issue, but before you actually try to make use of the cards you need to find a way to very exhaustively exercise the entire card. I haven't looked for such a program but I hear they're pretty easy to find. If I were writing one I would put a pseudo-random sequence across the entire advertised size of the card, then read it back and confirm that the same pseudo-random sequence comes back. The sequence should be longer than the card, or at the very least not repeat on something like a 1GB boundary. I suspect a common trick in these cards is to simply drop the upper address bits, so you'll read the same contents off e.g. the 2nd GB as you will from the 1st, and all the others.

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    1. Re:Probably fake cards, actually by Megane · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think it's funny that he's worried about being pwned by the flash card firmware (answer: you can't, it's not a generic interface like USB that can be keyboards, mice, network cards, etc. on a whim), and not about being cheated by the old "1GB card that claims to be 4GB" scam.

      Anyhow, here are some relevant links:
      http://www.bunniestudios.com/b...
      http://www.bunniestudios.com/b...

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  4. You think the US ones don't come from China? by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Interesting
    What makes you think the one you bought direct from China is any different than one you get from Amazon or Best Buy.

    Because I guarantee you that somewhere there is a guy buying them from China in bulk, for 1/5 the price, repackaging them and selling them on Amazon for 3/4 the price.

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  5. Re:Nope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    He was asking about firmware. Formatting the SD card will not do anything to the firmware.

  6. OBInSovietRussia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, girlfriend claps tablet.

  7. No badusb-type attack (% SDIO), but malware inject by raymorris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The SD* interface doesn't have the _same_ problem that USB does, ie badusb. It has other issues, though, and an SD card could made malicious. The issue with USB is that a USB device can be / act as storage, a keyboard, a mouse, a camera, etc. You can plug in a USB device which you think is just a memory stick, but unbeknownst to you you, it's also acting as a keyboard and "typing" commands to your computer. A pure SD card interface supports _only_ storage devices, so they can't act as keyboards. They therefore can't directly attack the host device in the same way that USB can.

    Android does have some support for SDIO, though, which allows a card to act as a camera, wifi card, or keyboard. I *don't* think Android will by default use an SDIO input device. It's possible that it will, though. I may have to emulate such a card with a microcontroller and see what happens when it is plugged in to various iOS and Android devices. If it works, you just witnessed the birth of badsd, as I haven't heard of anyone doing that before.

    What an SD card could do on a pure SD storage interface is muck with any files you put on the card. Suppose you installed towelroot or supersu on the SD card. The controller on the card could inject malware into the executable, and that malware would then be run with the same privileges you have - full root access if you root your phone, or the same access the apps have. Along with injecting malware into your files, the trojan SD card could send your files to the attacker. Wifi adapters can be made that small, so any data saved to the card could be sent to the attacker via the built-in wifi.

    Your best defense in that case might be "at 1/5th the price of what is available in the US". A trojaned card like that is going to cost some money to make, particularly the version with built-in wifi. It wouldn't make sense to sell a million of them on Alibaba, losing money on all of them. They would more likely be used in a targeted attack - "mistakenly dropped" on the premises of a defense contractor or R&D lab, maybe even advertised on on a forum likely targets tend to visit, such as one related to aerospace engineering or large-scale investments.

    One step you could take to protect yourself would be to write and read back some known files of various types and compare their SHA hashes within a VM. The card should return a bit-by-bit identical copy of the file that you copied to it. If you save an .exe or .apk file and it comes back changed, that would be a bad sign. I'd like to hear from anyone who experiences tat so we can investigate further.

  8. Re:Ditto by sexconker · · Score: 3, Informative

    SDHC only goes up to 32 GB, so that should have been your first clue. Happened to my dad, too.

  9. ps - you could be a target. Servo guy was by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I forgot to say, don't completely dismiss the possibility of a targeted attack. A few years ago there was a guy who didn't have access to any top secret information or anything. He worked on software for factory machine parts and stuff. For example, he might work on a large servo, translating the command "turn 30 degrees" to electrical impulses to the motor's magnets. He sure doesn't seem like a high-value target.

    He turns out that the motors and stuff he worked on were being used by another company who built larger modules from motors, gears, etc. Those modules were, in turn, used to make chemistry lab equipment such as centrifuges. Centrifuges used in Iran. So servo firmware guy WAS target zero for stuxnet.

    * The above narrative is roughly correct. Maybe the firmware-writing employee was a she, not a he, we don't know exactly which employee was hit first. We do know it came in through that company.

  10. don't worry about it by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't worry about it. If you got it through Alibaba it is almost certain to be a counterfeit card with the size and even brand name printed on failing rejected cards, and it will have no better chance of retaining malware than it will have of holding your own data. I know a couple of people who bought through Alibaba that this happened to.

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    1. Re:don't worry about it by bscott · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah - I worked for a gadget retailer and was asked to test some 8GB flash sticks several years ago.

      You could write 8GB to them, but anything past the first 4GB returned a read error.

      My boss called the supplier in Shenzen to yell at them - "How could you do this?" Their response: "I don't understand - you SAID you wanted the best price?!"

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    2. Re:don't worry about it by plover · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's an anti-TARDIS card -- it's smaller on the inside.

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    3. Re:don't worry about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It might not do what you think.

      Here's what to do:  Generate random stream with openssl, md5sum it going into the card, md5sum it coming back out.  Use pv for progress display if desired.

      ~ # cat randomtest.sh
      #!/bin/bash
      time (openssl bf-ofb -pass pass:`cat /dev/urandom | tr -dc [:graph:] | head -c56` < /dev/zero | pv -pterb -s `blockdev --getsize64 $1` -S | tee $1 | md5sum | tee writesum)
      echo
      time (cat $1 | pv -pterb -s `blockdev --getsize64 $1` | md5sum - > readsum)
      echo
      echo "Written:" `cat writesum`
      echo "Read:" `cat readsum`
      rm writesum readsum

    4. Re:don't worry about it by resfilter · · Score: 5, Informative

      oh dear god dont write over the protected area! ...

      it's used for some specialized keys for some rarely used version of DRM. so if you have a CPRM "protected" file on the sd card, then.. you know.... "accidently" give the file to someone else, they'll lack the decryption keys (since they're stored outside of the filesystem by the program that wrote the file to the flash card) and the file will be useless.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

      it's another one of those things that attempts to relabel yet another "generic binary storage device" as a "specialized media holder to assist content protection", and you should actually go out of your way to destroy this "protected area" instead of carefully avoiding damage to it.

      it's totally safe to write over this "protected area" and use it for your own data, and it's rare to run into programs that actually use CPRM for protection against distribution (although they probably do exist, why would you use such a thing?).

      that's probably why you've never heard of it or noticed writing over it.

  11. non-free formatter is risky by John_Sauter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The SD Association has a special formatter which avoids this problem.

    Interesting that the special formatter is only available for Microsoft Windows and Apple Macintosh, and apparently only in binary form. Even if I had such a computer I would not be comfortable formatting my disk with non-free software. Who knows, it might be putting an encrypted child porn picture on a hidden part of the disk, exposing me to the risk of prosecution. No thanks.