Alleged Satellite Photo Says Ukraine Shootdown of MH17

theshowmecanuck (703852) writes A group calling itself the Russian Union of Engineers has published a photograph, picked up by many news organizations (just picked one, Google it yourself to find more), claiming to show that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter plane. The interesting thing is the very quick ad hoc crowd sourced debunking of the photograph using tools from Google maps, online photos/data, to their own domain knowledge backed up with the previous information. It would be interesting to understand who the "Russian Union of Engineers" are and why they in particular were chosen to release this information.

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For the censors

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The anomalies I pointed are ordered for the specific reason. In my opinion, the most obvious and interesting theory is that Putin's plane was near the same air space close to the same time as MH17 (something I have not seen mentioned in US media or in this thread). This could have been a simple, yet tragic, case of mistaken identity.

We don't have the reports from the investigators, and may never have their reports. Looking at an event like MH17 does require investigating the benefits of shooting down a plane. Lacking evidence all theories are valid as each other.

Re:uh, no?

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Because this is not a black and white issue? Whether or not US involvement is morally correct aside, lets look at a few facts regarding US involvement in the Middle East and Eastern block including the Ukraine. USAID and numerous other US agencies pumped a lot of money into these countries for the various revolutions. 5 Billion dollars was dumped into the Euromaiden coffers prior to the "revolt" (Search "Soros spending on Euromaidan" and you can read reports). Similar reports exist for every recent "revolt" in Europe and the Middle East, and reports from Asia show similar attempts to "influence" revolts in China. We also have western governments openly and actively backing some revolutionaries. The West bombed Gaddafi's troops in Libya, are arming and training rebels in Syria, etc...

Again, keep morality out of the equation for now. If you were the leader of Russia or China and you saw this happening, would you not read this as a direct attack against you? If you were Russia or China and you started sending in your own "advisers" and/or bombing rebels do you see this as self defense or aggression? If you were on the other side of the border you are going to view your actions as self defense.

So the morality question is subjective. Personally I dislike the West's method of imperialism. It's a round about method of invade and conquer without spending troops and bypasses the Constitution. I further don't agree that this is the "best" way to improve our own Country, let alone the rest of the World.

What we should be, is a role model that people try and adopt. Our Republic is supposed to represent all of the people of the Nation and function so well that everyone tries to mimic it in every country across the globe.

What we have today is more reminiscent of the East India company. Executive orders for "war" and private funding has given mercenary powers to big business bypassing Constitutional requirements for declaration of war by Congress and the People.