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Scientists Discover Diamond Nanothreads

First time accepted submitter sokol815 writes Penn State University scientists discovered diamond nanothreads can be created from benzene when compressed. The compression brings the benzene molecules into a highly reactive state. It was expected that the molecules would create a non-ordered glass-like material, but due to the slow speed of decompression used, the benzene molecules ordered themselves into a naturally repeating crystal. The experiment took place at room-temperature. Early results indicate that these nanothreads are stronger than previously produced carbon nanotubes, and may have applications throughout the engineering industry.

79 comments

  1. Yes, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Should it be called Diamondium or Diamondillium?

    1. Re: Yes, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #diamondgate

    2. Re:Yes, but.. by Livius · · Score: 1

      If it's chemically diamond, maybe call it diamond?

    3. Re:Yes, but.. by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Informative

      it's not diamond nor did the original paper claim it was: http://www.nature.com/nmat/jou...

    4. Re:Yes, but.. by kesuki · · Score: 1

      you must be new here, reading the fine article and expecting slashdot to use that to decide the course of the discuccion....

    5. Re:Yes, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      clearly, it's dark diamond.

    6. Re:Yes, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you're the word you're looking for is 'Mithril'.

    7. Re:Yes, but.. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      How about "The Molecule Formerly Known as Benzene"?

    8. Re:Yes, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about
      "I can't believe it's not diamonds!"

      I could market that.

    9. Re:Yes, but.. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Turns out it's bad for your teeth. Who knew?

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    10. Re:Yes, but.. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Hey now, don't drag me into this discussion. It's been a long day and I just want to argue about politics.

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  2. Re:It's a WAR for your SOUL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Well, my sega cd doesn't have kinect so I am safe.

  3. How about "not diamond"? by justthinkit · · Score: 3, Informative

    How about "not diamond"?

    Diamond is characterized by each carbon bonding with 4 other carbons. You can't get a thread out of it. You might claim that you have, but all along that thread there will be carbons not bonded to four others. Those are called defects.

    From a diamond point-of-view, this stuff would be considered defect-laden pseudo-'diamond', or just simply not diamond.

    Still, sexy headline.

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    1. Re:How about "not diamond"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The researchers themselves didn't use the D word but called the material "close- packed bundles of subnanometre-diameter sp3-bonded carbon threads capped with hydrogen, crystalline in two dimensions and short-range ordered in the third"

    2. Re:How about "not diamond"? by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you can't sell *that* on The Shopping Network, can you?

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    3. Re:How about "not diamond"? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Diamond is characterized by each carbon bonding with 4 other carbons. You can't get a thread out of it.

      Not that this is a diamond - the paper doesn't use the word, apparently - but doesn't that depend how you define "thread"? I don't see anything in the summary about the size of these things, so what if they're 100 atoms thick? At what thickness could they no longer be diamond?

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    4. Re:How about "not diamond"? by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      That would have made a much better headline!

      I can only imagine the thought that went into the "diamond" headline. "Hmmm, our readers are never going to understand this, let's see if we can dumb it down. Hmmm... we'll definitely keep "nano". Carbon is not sexy enough, can we compare it to something else made of carbon?... Diamond! What about diamond nanothreads? Perfect!

      Meanwhile the researchers can't believe what they're reading.

      I was already wondering what had happened to all the hydrogens in C6H6. Now I know.

    5. Re:How about "not diamond"? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 5, Insightful

      According to the preview on the Nature site each carbon atom is linked to 3 other carbon atoms and one hydrogen. Plastic is a better description than diamond. "Normal" carbon nanotubes are closer to diamond than this.
      The preview didn't call it a diamond by the way. It does equate it's properties to diamondoids and nanotubes.

      Having said that, if the result is a non-toxic high tensile strength material that can be used to make a space elevator then I don't really care what they call it. It's cool anyway.
      They could call it "Superdung" and I'd still love the stuff.

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    6. Re:How about "not diamond"? by Matheus · · Score: 1

      Let's just call it "hyperfilament" then...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

    7. Re:How about "not diamond"? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      So simple, so why the fuck did the article have to call it something so complex.

    8. Re:How about "not diamond"? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      You can sell anything on Shopping Network.

    9. Re:How about "not diamond"? by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 2

      close- packed bundles of subnanometre-diameter sp3-bonded carbon threads capped with hydrogen, crystalline in two dimensions and short-range ordered in the third

      I'll stick with Diamond

    10. Re:How about "not diamond"? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      You can't sell the Shopping Network on the Shopping Network, otherwise a black hole will ensue.

    11. Re:How about "not diamond"? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the summary mentioned it was an ordering of benzene molecules, not carbon atoms. I think the name diamond is completely useless to describe what's happening here.

    12. Re:How about "not diamond"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Close-packed bundles of subnanometre-diameter sp3-bonded carbon threads capped with hydrogen, crystalline in two dimensions and short-range ordered in the third are forever...

    13. Re:How about "not diamond"? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I doubt that the audience of The Shopping Network (house plants, some humans with house-plant characteristics) is the target audience.

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  4. Elevator in the sky with diamonds by Tim+the+Gecko · · Score: 2

    You wouldn't guess from the summary that the article title is "Going up! Cosmic elevator could reach space on a cable made of diamonds".

    1. Re:Elevator in the sky with diamonds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't guess from the summary that the article title is "Going up! Cosmic elevator could reach space on a cable made of diamonds".

      Quite obvious that the summary writer and the editors have no clue what Fountains of Paradise is about, either.

    2. Re:Elevator in the sky with diamonds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite obvious that the summary writer and the editors have no clue what Fountains of Paradise is about, either.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=844DzynPG-w

    3. Re:Elevator in the sky with diamonds by rroman · · Score: 1

      That means it is actually pretty good summary. Everybody knows that we need super strong threads to build space elevator so it is not worth mentioning. The rest, however, is pretty goddamn interesting and relevant. I did a little bit of research and couldn't find much more relevant information about the discovery than it is written in this summary.

    4. Re:Elevator in the sky with diamonds by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      And the operator's name is Lucy...

      I have yet to see a single old fashion carbon nanotube, and they're already obsolete... Does anybody besides researchers buy this stuff? I mean, what does the future hold? Should I trade nanotubes, or night-crawlers?

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    5. Re:Elevator in the sky with diamonds by Guy+Harris · · Score: 3, Funny

      You wouldn't guess from the summary that the article title is "Going up! Cosmic elevator could reach space on a cable made of diamonds".

      Breaking news: Slashdot submission headline less hyperbolic than TFA's headline.

      In other news, Satan cuts ribbon to celebrate the opening of a new ski resort. Film at 11.

    6. Re:Elevator in the sky with diamonds by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Wow! That sure is an unexpected application of a new super-tensile material. :P

    7. Re:Elevator in the sky with diamonds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if we sent up someone named Lucy, she would be Lucy in the sky with diamonds?

    8. Re:Elevator in the sky with diamonds by magarity · · Score: 1

      Using this for a space elevator isn't the best use for this

      If a space elevator can be made practically out of this stuff then yes, a space elevator is the best use for it.

    9. Re:Elevator in the sky with diamonds by dkman · · Score: 1

      Looks like the Beetles were right. The elevator will be called "Lucy".

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  5. Now all we need.... by Bradmont · · Score: 0

    Now all we need is a manwich.

  6. mass production by strack · · Score: 1

    This is great and all, but the real question is does this new method allow them to produce it in large quantities while maintaining its strength?

  7. Nest step... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Space Elevator!
    or not...

  8. Need a Synthesis Process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The public and the press underestimate and understate the difficulty in mass-producing new materials. Just because we can make a little, enough to study, doesn't mean we can efficiently make more or that developing those methods will be trivial or guaranteed to succeed.

    Carbon nanotube production is still a tangled mixed mess 25+ years after their discovery and study. Graphene production is improving but still not good enough for commercial use 10 years after its discovery and study. These diamond nanothreads look to require 25 GPa of pressure to create. That's not a trivial amount of pressure - it's several times that required to make synthetic diamond gems. Using this materials is going to depend on someone inventing a much easier method of production, probably some form of chemical vapor deposition, which is already used for diamond films, graphene and nanotubes.

    The long work of developing those methods is less sexy than the initial discovery of a material or effect, and usually a gradual improvement rather than a single "eureka" moment. It's just now starting to be recognized as a scientific achievement (e.g. the invention of reliable, efficient blue LEDs just won the Nobel prize although the physical principles were clearly understood by others decades earlier).

    1. Re:Need a Synthesis Process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, "the public and the press" don't underestimate the engineering difficulties.

      You underestimate what a huge breakthrough it is to demonstrate that a new material actually exists, that its properties can be measured, and that it can be manufactured at least in small quantities.

    2. Re:Need a Synthesis Process by peragrin · · Score: 1

      I call it the Hollywood effect. You see in tv and movies once someone figures out how to make a unique item it can be duplicated quickly in a series of montage shots over seconds/ or at the extreme hours. Most people don't realize it takes years to decades from proof of concept to practical product.

      Heck I am still waiting for color eink displays. They have been talked about for 6 years off the top of my head. But still are not in mass produced shipping products.

      Even in unique yet known products development can take years. There is a kickstarted for an eink gps device with a seven inch screen and a solar pane on its back. It is currently 18 months behind original schedule. Primarily because product testing and certifications were a lot harder to deal with than they realized. Hopefully it will start shipping in six months.

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  9. Re: No, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's a nuclear fusion reactor, why not call it the Sun? Because it's not.

    Chemicals can have the same molecular formula without being the same thing. Further the state of the chemical can also dictate its structure.

    Diamond have a face-centered cubic crystal structure. It this carbon nanothread FCC? No. The threads are "carbon in a tetrahedral formation with a carbon hanging off" (John Badding, PSU). Essentially it's non-crystalline, almost amorphous, whereas diamonds are crystalline.

    Basically it needs a new name. Something to the effect of Carbon Nanothreads, similar but different from Carbon Nanotubes.

  10. Bettles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I'm naming my daughter Lucy and making her wear a shirt made of it. That way I can say: Lucy in the sky with diamonds!

    1. Re:Bettles by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Please, don't shoot your daughter out of a cannon.

  11. But Global Warming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you make a whole bunch of this stuff, you'll use up more of the carbon that could otherwise be used for CO/2.
    Carbon sinks!

    On the minus side, with all the extra oxygen, the planet will suddenly explode when some unhealthy sap lights his cigarette.

    1. Re: But Global Warming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, though. I think if we entered the "Diamond Age" where everything was built this way, we could easily just burn the excess oil and gas to get it into the atmosphere. Just pump it up and burn it...

    2. Re:But Global Warming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, more likely, the cigarette will burn extremely rapidly. Oxygen doesn't magically burn by itself--it's the prototypical oxidizer. Oxidizers get reduced and reducers (fuels, in plain English) get oxidized. They need each other and an initial push to settle into a new, lower energy state (and this is the process we casually call "burning").

      As an aside, you can burn diamonds too. It's a neat party trick, but don't try it with the wedding ring (if you're into that sort of thing).

  12. Re:It's a WAR for your SOUL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you just got the Kinect/Xbox360 gaming system

    Who is just getting an XBox 360? XBox One has been out for over a year dude.

  13. Whining by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Can I have my beanstalk now? Please?

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  14. And we all know that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Diamond Nanothreads are forever.

  15. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah but the 'D' is a girls best friend

  16. Re:It's a WAR for your SOUL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who wanted to play only Halo 3 to finish the story, and hate Microsoft for not releasing it on PC

  17. The best application isn't a space elevator.... by Slagothor · · Score: 1

    Using this for a space elevator isn't the best use for this. If these fibers are flexible enough, you could weave them into flexible body armor. Imagine light weight "kitchen" gloves that you can't cut through even with the sharpest knife. Shark protection (but not against lasers...yet). These fibers could replace carbon fiber in high strength areas. Have short enough fibers and use them for 3D printing. They are already using carbon fiber in 3D printers, this could replace it for extreme strength parts. If cheap enough, this could replace carbon fiber in safety situations (racing, boating, aircraft). Now imagine a crash at a race, except this time, the body deforms, but does not disintegrate. I think this is a major announcement in materials science, and I'm curious just how many other areas this could advance.

    1. Re:The best application isn't a space elevator.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe a Variable Sword?

      http://news.larryniven.net/con...

    2. Re:The best application isn't a space elevator.... by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Maybe a Variable Sword?

      http://news.larryniven.net/con... [larryniven.net]

      I was thinking that such an incredubly thin and strong filament would make an ideal ultra-sharp cutting edge for a Vibroblade type of weapon utilizing ultrasonic vibration to multiply the cutting effectiveness even more..

      http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki...

      Now, if one were to have a handle from which sprang an end-disc by a telescoping rod, and attached to the circumference of that disc, and extending back down to the handle, were these insanely-sharp nano-threads, heated possibly by electricity akin to an everyday electrical heating element, or by the energy of the ultrasound energy itself such that it appeared like a column of glowing light growing out from the handle, you'd have a good approximation of a Light Saber.

      Heck, the slight differences in the precise frequency each thread would be vibrating at would likely cause relatively-low frequency harmonic notes equal to the difference in frequency between each thread. You would have the humming and slight frequency & phase shifts produced by light sabers being swung around.

      Wish I had the resources to throw at the problem. Heck, even if it didn't turn out to be exactly a "light saber", an ultrasonic nano-thread sword that could slice through heavy armor like butter would be awesome, not to mention all the practical industrial and medical potential such a tool would posses.

      Strat

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    3. Re:The best application isn't a space elevator.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shark protection

      Imagine someone beating a sack of apples with a heavy club. Now, replace "sack of apples" with "my head covered in ultrastrong fibers" and "heavy club" with "shark teeth". There goes your protection.

    4. Re:The best application isn't a space elevator.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If these fibers are flexible enough, you could weave them into flexible body armor. Imagine light weight "kitchen" gloves that you can't cut through even with the sharpest knife.

      Imagine a shiny t-shirt that can stop practically any weapon - we could call it Mithril!

    5. Re:The best application isn't a space elevator.... by RandomFactor · · Score: 1

      Ahh, but how do we get the Insanely sharp threads to deflect incident energy weapon discharges though?

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    6. Re:The best application isn't a space elevator.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the plasma generated around them that lets them glow can deflect most plasma weapons as well.

      they never used actual laser weapons in star wars.

    7. Re:The best application isn't a space elevator.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The disintegration of race cars aren't a weakness of the used materials, they are designed to disintegrate just so, so as to absorb the energy of impact rather than transmit it to the driver.

      Took a few years to grasp that concept. I believe in the 30s there was a period of making cars ever more robust to try to survive impacts without damage.
      Worked, sorta. The cars didn't really get damaged, but the drivers, being a seperate body from the car got all that energy transfered onto them. So the car might be undamaged, but the driver dead, in the extreme case.

    8. Re:The best application isn't a space elevator.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just use a snipgun.

      http://books.google.com.au/books?id=XxJetixdtNUC&pg=PT71&lpg=PT71&dq=snipgun&source=bl&ots=PCebmol3KT&sig=D6a_dEMcPYiLfGl_HLUZsXg53FM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=r9ZqVK6oMOivmAX91IK4Cw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=snipgun&f=false

  18. 2014 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the nerves of the AI we born.

  19. space elevator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    one step closer

  20. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A "D" are a guy's best friends aswell...

  21. New Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope that the process of creating this stuff is inexpensive. Maybe one day instead of a carbon fiber fishing rod I will be able to own a diamond thread woven fabric shaped into a hollow fishing rod.

                  But seriously this new material will likely open up numerous serious products. We might even see computer chips wired with this material.

  22. Re:How about by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

    each to their own, I prefer a pair of them to a single D.

  23. I have a machine that probably makes this stuff by speculatrix · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think I have a machine that makes this stuff all the time as a waste product. Unfortunately, it is likely to be quite difficult to extract the nanothreads as they are a tiny part of the residue in the diesel particulate filter in the exhaust of my car's diesel engine!

  24. Ummm. Shadow Shadow Square Wire (Ring World): by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=930

    http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=4301

  25. Better link by sproketboy · · Score: 2

    Not sure why we'd want to post to a CNN article. Here's the scientific american link:

    http://www.scientificamerican....

  26. Re:It's a WAR for your SOUL! by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Naked Wii party?

  27. Another Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is quite old news, but here's a link with some scientific information: Diamond Thread.

  28. Re:How about by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

    So would my mom. The cancer had other ideas.

    At least she's alive and doing well.

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  29. Live in Concert by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

    Nanothread and the Benzenes.

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  30. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hence the plural 'friends' ;) But push come to shove, a C or a nice looking B will do just fine :D

  31. Ben Bova anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    time to start growing those diamond spaceships :P