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Leaked Documents Show EU Council Presidency Wants To Impair Net Neutrality

NotInHere writes: The advocacy group "European Digital Rights" (EDRi) reports on leaked documents proposed by the Presidency of the council of the EU (currently held by Italy), which plans to remove vital parts from the telecommunications package that introduced net neutrality. The changes include removing the definition of "net neutrality" and replacing it with a "reference to the objective of net neutrality," which EDRi says will impair any ability to enforce it.

Also, the proposed changes would allow ISPs to "block, slow down, alter, degrade or discriminate" traffic in order to meet "obligations under a contract with an end-user to deliver a service requiring a specific level of quality to that end-user." EDRi writes that "[w]ith all of the talk of the need for a single digital market in Europe, we would have new barriers and new monopolies."

The council of the EU is one of its two legislative chambers. The EU parliament can now object or propose further changes to prevent the modified telecommunications package from passing.

76 comments

  1. Subterranean BS. by Chas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet another asshole politician hellbent on fucking over people (in general) and probably enriching himself in the process.

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    1. Re:Subterranean BS. by sosume · · Score: 1

      > the Presidency of the council of the EU ..

      Didn't I vote for that guy?! Oh wait .. It's not allowed to vote for people so high up the ladder in the EU. You can only vote for the EU parliament which has no power. This is the main reason why the majority of the EU citizens REJECT the EU. Everytime they put a treaty or 'eu declaration of rights' up for vote, people reject it en masse. Do the politicians listen to the people? No, because these treaties get implemented anyway. The only way to get rid of the EU is by voting for even worse alternatives such as communism, fascism or worse, it's a catch-22.. Mark my words, net neutrality's days are numbered in the EU.

    2. Re:Subterranean BS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Byzantine Union of Europe.

    3. Re:Subterranean BS. by timeOday · · Score: 1

      How so? In America, Net Neutrality is regarded as a communist plot!

    4. Re:Subterranean BS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I wouldn't mind the entire EU disbanding at this very moment. Things have not gotten better at all. A cash wolf has appeared and is now leeching the cash from every member of the EU. We as citizens of the EU should be able to vote on (big) spendings by the EU. Year after year it's cuts in every country. Where does the money go that's being made by all these cuts? Into the most stupid investments you can imagine and and paychecks of parliament vultures trying to get their points pushed through because they want to be able to say they've passed a law in their crappy careers not paying any attention to what that does to the citizens in the long run. Of course this money also goes to EU members that don't have and never will have a stable financial system and are on the brink of bankruptcy. The money simply gets sucked up and will never be returned. That's what we're working for these days. It sickens me.

    5. Re:Subterranean BS. by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      The money simply gets sucked up and will never be returned. That's what we're working for these days. It sickens me.

      That's bad enough, but to rub our noses in it, the accounts of the EU are not audited, and will never be - the EU commissariat have said as much. I think its because if it ever were audited, we'd see just where the money does disappear to.

    6. Re:Subterranean BS. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, stop voting for them, or, as they say, quitcherbellyachin... In the meantime, everybody needs to look at this as an incentive to circumvent the corporate wire, and maybe be a bit more careful who they vote for. Nobody is forcing them to vote for corruption. As far as I can tell, they're doing just like American voters looking to vote themselves a bigger piece of the pie. This is the result. The government governed by majority rule is only a reflection of the majority. It rewards corruption. Don't blame the corrupt politician for being successful at what he does. That's like punishing a dog for obeying your commands.

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    7. Re:Subterranean BS. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      Didn't I vote for that guy?! Oh wait .. It's not allowed to vote for people so high up the ladder in the EU.

      What a bizzare thing to say just after the first election ever where EU citizens got to influence the choice of President of the EU comission.

      For you Americans out there here is what happened: All the (sane) parties proposing candidates for the EU parliament announced who their respective candidates for EU comission president would be and pledged to vote for the candidate of the party that got the biggest number of seats. The EPP got the most seats, so their candidate, Jean-Claude Junker was elected presdent of the Comission. (Ok, it's a silly way of doing it, but the member states would never accept a direct election. It's also not so different from the way a UK PM or US president gets elected).

      (People in the UK got screwed by the "sane" bit above - for reasons of their own the UK tories left the EPP and the rag-tag of swivel-eyed loons they joined didn't bother to present a candidate, Labour and the Liberals took fright and refused to support their own party candidates for no obvious reason).

      You can only vote for the EU parliament which has no power.

      Except the power to elect the head of the EU commission, the power to throw out the EU comission in its entirety and the power to reject or demand modifications to any EU law proposed for the comission.

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    8. Re:Subterranean BS. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      This is simply untrue.

      The EU accounts are audited every year, to a much higher standard that the accounts of any member state.

      Every year the EU court of auditors publishes the accounts, which includes a section detailing the errors in the use of the money by the EU member states.

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    9. Re:Subterranean BS. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1
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    10. Re:Subterranean BS. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Duh, I misread the summary, it's the presidency of the council.

      You may have had a chance to vote for him if you were italian.

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    11. Re:Subterranean BS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How so? In America, Net Neutrality is regarded as a communist plot!

      Ownership is control.

      If "the people" decide they should control privately built networks, then they in effect are arguing for collective ownership.

    12. Re:Subterranean BS. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You can answer all of those questions with a couple of quick Google searches. You only have yourself to blame for your ignorance.

    13. Re:Subterranean BS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If "the people" decide they should control privately built networks, then they in effect are arguing for collective ownership.

      See? In America, net neutrality is regarded as a communist plot.

    14. Re:Subterranean BS. by oobayly · · Score: 1

      I didn't vote for the PM either, and odds are 1 in 650 that he even represents you directly.

      * I'm assuming that like me, you live in the UK.

    15. Re:Subterranean BS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Communists are two steps above ISIL and one step above Nazis.

      That still leaves them pretty far down the ladder of virtue.

    16. Re:Subterranean BS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After which it gets overrun by Turks, with assistance from armament manufacturers whose offers are spurned by the its leader, while few of its neighbors lift a finger.

    17. Re:Subterranean BS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Italy has the crappiest internet in the whole of Europe. The EU even launched a probe into that. It looks like they're trying to redefine the Internet instead of improving their technology. (Like the old Microsoft joke about changing the lightbulb)

    18. Re:Subterranean BS. by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      and the rag-tag of swivel-eyed loons they joined didn't bother to present a candidate

      When I hear you guys across the pond say stuff like this, I wonder whether your politicians are crazier or if you're just more eloquent in saying "I hate those other guys."

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    19. Re:Subterranean BS. by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that if Byzantium couldn't stand up to an invader, probably nobody else who was around at the time would have been able to do much better...

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    20. Re:Subterranean BS. by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we're capitalists here--where we take your money away and then eloquently explain how you didn't deserve it in the first place because you're poor.

      So much better than just taking your money just because (fascism) or taking your money while telling you it's for the greater good (communism). At least with the last, there's a philosophical argument involved rather than just "I want yours."

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    21. Re:Subterranean BS. by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      But of course, they can't write laws, the commission do that, and who is actually writing the laws - revolving door corporate lawyers or with the TTIP it's pretty much the corporations writing the laws strictly to benefit their profit margins.

      The EU Commission have a history of putting forwards laws and treaties that benefit only corporations whilst crapping all over the rights of the citizens of the EU (bad copyright laws are one example).

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    22. Re:Subterranean BS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Collective ownership would be ok if they were paid for and built collectively to begin with (like the Interstate highway system). It's when you wait for private citizens and industry to build it, then assert that "the people" collectively own what they built that it becomes theft.

    23. Re:Subterranean BS. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Like, for example, ACTA. Oh, but the 'powerless' EU parliament rejected that.

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    24. Re:Subterranean BS. by qubex · · Score: 1

      I actually know one of the auditors who signs off on the Ãconsolidated errorsÃ(TM) totals. He tells me itÃ(TM)s one of the most rigorous accounting protocols heÃ(TM)s ever seen and worked under.

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    25. Re:Subterranean BS. by qubex · · Score: 1

      1) Amusingly enough Matteo Renzi is actually unelected, insofar as he is the third prime minister to be nominated by the Italian President (and then confirmed by a vote of confidence in Parliament) since the last election.

      2) Judging by polls, he would (probably) be confirmed in the role by a popular election if elections were held right now with the current electoral law.

      He is also the first to readily recognise the absurdity of this situation, and is actually making a very controversial effort to reform the constitution and the electoral law so as to avoid this situation arising again in the future (and, most likely, cementing the advantage he currently has, as per point 2).

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    26. Re:Subterranean BS. by qubex · · Score: 1

      Yes, Italy's internet legislation is entirely crappy (as is most Italian legislation).

      No, I doubt that anybody has designs on screwing up european legislation just so the shittiest law prevails.

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    27. Re:Subterranean BS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wasn't talking about EU member states, he wasn't talking about EU parliament members.

      He was talking about the EU commission which are a bunch of people who make all the dissisions in the EU but who aren't voted for, who are high standing members from large companies operating in the EU basically the oligargy cartel of the EU. Of course they don't let you look at their books.

    28. Re:Subterranean BS. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      You should check out A Short History of Swivel-Eyed Loons.

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    29. Re:Subterranean BS. by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      I didn't say the EU parliament are powerless, I said they don't write the laws.

      The Commission who are unelected, keep producing crap like ACTA, TTIP has ACTA rolled in to it - so whilst MEPs might be able to vote down the crap when millions of EU citizens lobby them, it doesn't stop the Commission from being complete dickheads and trying to sneak bad laws through in subsequent treaties.
      The Commissioners or a replacement institution needs to be democratically accountable.

      (Slashdot took 3 days to notify me of replies).

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    30. Re:Subterranean BS. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      The Commission who are unelected,

      The president of the comission is elected, now.

      The Commissioners or a replacement institution needs to be democratically accountable.

      The commision is accountable to the elected parliament.

      Yes, it could be better, but the problem is in the member states, who resist all attempts to increase democracy in the EU tooth and nail.

      (Slashdot took 3 days to notify me of replies).

      Yup, I jost gtot a whole burst of notifications at around midnight. Looks like their e-mail system was all fucked up.

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    31. Re:Subterranean BS. by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Rotating the eyes wildly, especially in a way regarded as indicative of frenzy:

      Huh. My guess was it was some sort of ethnic slur directed at Asians. Never heard that term before.

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  2. The only problem with rotating presidency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is sometimes it ends up with countries that are run by the ACTUAL mafia..

  3. Re: what a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fortunately I can protect myself from their agenda with APK's hosts file!

  4. Yea!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The EU is as shitty as the US!

    1. Re:Yea!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      awesome

  5. Re:what a shame by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

    Not to miss your obvious sarcasm, but it's a bit like saying "get your own road".

    Infrastructure is complicated, because you aren't going to be able to make your own road going from A to B without crossing property owned by the existing A to B magnate, unless you're willing to put up with some really inefficient routes. And you've almost doubled the real cost of roadways(i.e. how much initial and annual cost the roads require).

    Contrary to the neo-liberal perspective, some problems just can't be hammered out by competition.

  6. Modern politics by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    "Jockey of Norfolk, be not so bold. For Dickon thy master is bought and sold." -- Shakespeare. Seriously, are there any politicians left who are NOT corrupt?

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    1. Re:Modern politics by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      "Jockey of Norfolk, be not so bold. For Dickon thy master is bought and sold." -- Shakespeare. Seriously, are there any politicians left who are NOT corrupt?

      Your question is meaningless. Like "is there any ocean left which doesn't contain water?" or "what happened to all those unicorns that once tölted on the Atlantidan prairies?"

    2. Re:Modern politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, are there any politicians left who are NOT corrupt?

      There are lots of people who aren't corrupt, but they want nothing to do with politics. Mainly because they don't have what it takes to grovel and beg wealthy people for campaign money. Unfortunately, what it takes is a lot of dishonesty and hubris. Our political systems are set up to filter out honest people at the outset.

    3. Re:Modern politics by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Without giving in to complete cynicism...I believe yes there are, though they are few.
      I also believe that a great many politicians even start out that way, bright eyed and hopeful and naive, much like the epynimous Mr Smith.

      But what's the old saying? Opportunity knocks but once, temptation leans on the door bell.

      Well....the lobbyists don't just lean on the door bell.
      They buy your mortgage out from under you to threaten you with eviction, while letting themselves into the house whenever they please, constantly reminding you that if you should displease them they will throw their economic might behind the first challenger to come along.

      But it doesnt have to be that way.
      Campaign finance reform, publicly funded elections, open primaries and Single Transferable Votes (or similar better system that results in a political sphere actually representative of all citizens, not just the bare majority that win any given contest)

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    4. Re:Modern politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except there ARE oceans without water, and we all know what happened to the unicorns we all put down. Filthy mangy beasts...
      I hear a few of them escaped and now rule canada, though, mind.

      The concept of a non-corrupt politician, however, is a twisted mockery of sanity and reason, so fictitious it damages the very soul by shearing it away from cold reality.

    5. Re:Modern politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure there are. You just don't hear about them because their parties keep them do small-potatoes work. Unfortunately, if you want to affect big change, you get big opposition and need big allies who will eventually call in their favors.

    6. Re:Modern politics by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      tölted ? That's the Icelandic horse. Are you suggesting a connection between the vikings and the city of Atlantis? Oh my, there's a special for the History Channel!


      (When I read this back to proofread, I sounded like George Takei in my head)

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  7. Irrelevant by artlu · · Score: 1

    In some ways, I believe that the state of communications, globally, has already become monitored/recorded by governmental intervention, after what I witnessed through the federal system (See My Bio). The idea of bringing this down to the ISP level seems to be irrelevant with respect to what already exists. However, the purpose of purchasing access to the internet is to have a dedicated stream that is not capped. Those countries that allow this will fall behind the others.

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    1. Re:Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I looked at your link.

      You traders are something else. Those of us who know realize that if you really knew something, you'd keep it to yourself and make the big bucks.

      If you really believe in what you're saying, you are a fool.

      If you don't and are still selling your stuff, well, you're just like everyone else in the financial industry - bullsshitters.

    2. Re:Irrelevant by Forgefather · · Score: 1

      Its worse than that. Traders have been shown to be potentially even worse than a random investment strategy.

      http://www.plosone.org/article...

      From the conclusion:
      "The average percentages of wins for the five strategies are always comparable and oscillate around , with small random differences which depend on the financial index considered."

      "The second important result is that the fluctuations of the random strategy are always smaller than those of the other strategies (as it is also visible in Fig. 9 for the case ): this means that the random strategy is less risky than the considered standard trading strategies"

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  8. Manipulative language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Net neutrality isn't impaired.

    Net neutrality impairs the owners of networks.

    1. Re:Manipulative language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And owners of networks impair competition across those networks.

      If you're anti-net-neutrality, then you're pro-monopoly-abuse of the existing free market of services accessible over the internet.

    2. Re:Manipulative language by dywolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why should we care about the owners of the network?
      The internet is fundamentally a natural monopoly.
      As such it should absolutely be treated as such which means utilty type regulations.
      The owners aren't the ones you should be concerned, rather it's the users and consumers.

      It's really simple: If you are against Net Neutrality, you are against the internet that you currently enjoy in its present state.
      Net Neutrality is about preserving and protecting the current ideal status quo that companies at least pay lip service to.

      Blocking Net Neutrality is about fundamentally changing the internet as you know it, to turn it into nothing more than walled garden ala AOL and Compuserve of old, where your "internet" is little more than a slightly fancier cable channel with predetermined content. Such a thing fundamentally kills and and restricts the marketplace and exchange of ideas, of thoughts, of communication, of trade and economic possiblity that current exists, and ensures that all potential profits will go to the established ISPs, and no unapproved upstarts shall be allowed to exist.

      The internet is possibly one of the greatest achievements in human history in terms of communication. It fosters communication and free speech on a scale never before known by humanity. Across borders, across cultures, across the globe, and (hopeuflly, potentially) across the stars. That openness, that freedom, must be protected.

      And protecting means Net Neutrality.
      If you oppose NN you advocating for the destruction of one of humanity's greatest triumphs, and one of the biggest liberators of the little guy.

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  9. Re:what a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    O'Rly? But when politics (or grassroots citizen initiatives ... which are politics par excellence) do try to get their own tubes, corporations cry bloody murder "Unfair competition!"

  10. In Order To Meet Contract Obligations by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Interesting

    in order to meet "obligations under a contract"

    Coming soon from ISPs: Legalese buried deep in your contract with them that essentially states "We [the ISP] have the contractual obligation to muck with any website as we see fit whenever we want to do so."

    They're contractually obligated to slow down your Netflix speeds because they really wanted to and the contract means they are now obligated to slow down Netflix.

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    1. Re:In Order To Meet Contract Obligations by GNious · · Score: 1

      So there's a business-case to be made, for starting a company whose sole purpose is to sign contracts requiring ISPs to fiddle with internet services?

    2. Re:In Order To Meet Contract Obligations by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      in order to meet "obligations under a contract"

      Coming soon from ISPs: Legalese buried deep in your contract with them that essentially states "We [the ISP] have the contractual obligation to muck with any website as we see fit whenever we want to do so."

      They're contractually obligated to slow down your Netflix speeds because they really wanted to and the contract means they are now obligated to slow down Netflix.

      Yeah. The idea is not bad, but that is how it would end unless they demand it to be very explicit. Basically this is how everybody already sells fixed phone lines. The phone lines have a reserved bandwidth that can't be used by the internet though it uses the same line of copper or fiber, but that bandwidth is not advertised as part of the internet connection. I think if it is fine that they can do all kinds of crazy things, they just can't call it internet or broadband and can't advertise bandwidth not treated neutrally as part of their broadband offering.

  11. The EU council has lost all its credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Especially afer this corrupt twit Juncker has been elected as its new boss. I mean -- building up a tax haven in its country to help bigcorps evade their duties at the cost of all other (half-) civilised societies.

    If the EU is in such a bad state, it's because of criminals like him.

  12. end-user == subscriber? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "block, slow down, alter, degrade or discriminate" traffic in order to meet "obligations under a contract with an end-user to deliver a service requiring a specific level of quality to that end-user."

    Would someone more knowledgeable like to interpret that?

    Were the term "end-user" replaced with "broadband customer" to make in less ambiguous, this clause would seem to allow ISPs to throttle e.g. bittorrent in favour of e.g. VOIP. I do not see how a "end-user" [of a broadband service sold by an ISP] could include businesses such as e.g. Netflix, even if e.g. Netflix had a contract with a retail ISP.

    Please could someone enlighten me?

    1. Re:end-user == subscriber? by Talderas · · Score: 1

      There's two flavors of net neutrality. There's the dumb network flavor in which networking devices receive and forward packets in a FIFO manner. Then there's the smart network flavor in which networking devices receive and forward packets based on what grouping and type they fall under so that QoS can be preserved for latency sensitive applications. The Internet, in the US, is mostly operating under a combination of both dumb and smart networks at this time and lot of the issues that people "claim" are violating the principles of net neutrality are not. There's been some minor filtering going on related to protocols that are known to be frequently used for illegal purposes but the majority of issues at this time are related to bandwidth which has nothing to do with net neutrality.

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  13. So, VOIP 911 calls shouldn't get priority? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If all traffic has to be treated equally, a VOIP 911 call must get the same priority as a porn torrent.

    "All traffic gets treated equally, with no incentives to improve anything."

    Why do I get the feeling that'll work just about as well as, "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

    1. Re:So, VOIP 911 calls shouldn't get priority? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From each according to their money, to each according to their power.

    2. Re:So, VOIP 911 calls shouldn't get priority? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      No, VoIP 911 calls shouldn't get priority. You know that "all circuits are busy" message that you sometimes get on POTS systems? That shows that resources are not infinite on it. Your POTS 911 call gets no more priority than a tween girls' inane conversation. And yet society hasn't burned down.

      It can and hopefully will be the same for VoIP 911 calls over a neutral Internet. In fact it will be better - the call metadata is small enough that it should get through regardless, so emergency services will know you tried to call and therefore need some kind of help and to call you back. That won't happen right now if there are too many tween girls on the phone and you try to call 911.

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    3. Re:So, VOIP 911 calls shouldn't get priority? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      "Why do I get the feeling that'll work just about as well as, "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." Probably because you aren't approaching this issue from an even remotely serious technical perspective.

      Let's say that emergency VOIP is a big enough concern to warrant an exception. Why not first establish a general rule that only allows for emergency VOIP calls to be prioritized, and that any other prioritization results in the CEO of the ISP being punched in the throat?

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    4. Re:So, VOIP 911 calls shouldn't get priority? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      There should be no VOIP 911 calls, for just about the same reason as nuclear missile launch commands should not be transmitted over the Internet.

      Car analogy: You shouldn't use Microsoft Windows to control the electronic braking system of your car.

    5. Re:So, VOIP 911 calls shouldn't get priority? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be a dumbass. That clearly is an exception that anyone would allow priority to. The point of net neutrality is to stop ISPs from charging customers and content providers both for the same data.

  14. Make over-subscription illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then these shenanigans would not be necessary.

  15. P2P crowdfunded/sourced internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you want net neutrality the only way to do it is to crowd source the Internet, the connectivity between the oceans cannot be done by one individual or a small community, but what if the community crowdsource and fund a public ISP owned and governed the same way it's currently done with the open source projects. The Open Internet Alliance Foundation which will exist solely from what each person is willing to give away and will not exist for profit and which will allow for many profesisonals to contribute with their skills and knowledge. Smaller communities and neighbourhoods or even cities can have their own infrastructure or even several for redundancy. The end of greedy ISPs and controlling governments. Didn't we have enough already they turned the entire planet into one gigantic prison.

  16. Re:what a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fine, then they can stop using our land for their tubes.

  17. LIE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a complete LIE! The Council does not want to impare Net Neutrality, they are actually all for it. That is, they are for the plan where it puts government in control over it. and that plan is also called "Net Neutrality".

  18. Uh, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We're sorry, we're not permitted to help you block the packet storm hitting your server from that bot net. The law requires us to handle all traffic neutrally as being of equal value."

    Is that really what we want?

    1. Re:Uh, no by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Is that what we're currently getting? Then hell yes.

      Are you saying 1000 spam and 100 worthwhile things is worse than 100* spam and 10 worthwhile things?

      *because no filtering will ever be perfect

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    2. Re:Uh, no by parenthephobia · · Score: 1

      Strawman much? Network neutrality isn't about treating every packet equally. It's about requiring routing policies which are neutral as to the provenance of a packet: not allowing any third party to derive competitive advantage from the routing policy. It's fine to drop DDOSes, prioritize VoIP, delay BitTorrent, as long as this is done without regard for whose traffic it is: prioritizing ACME's VoIP traffic over Yododyne's is not fine. It isn't necessary to frame network neutrality as a free speech issue: it's more to do with antitrust law, IMO. The mere fact that a botnet wishes to send me packets doesn't mean that I am required to receive them. It is fine for a network operator to drop malicious traffic, either upon the recipient's request, or on its own initiative.

  19. Re:what a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just to point out, you can have networks inside of networks, if you like that. It isn't necessarily a physical thing.

  20. The highway analogy by Dorianny · · Score: 1

    I am paying the toll to get on this shinny 6 lane highway only to discover that the exit to New York city is back up for miles because the city refuses to pay them for a large exit. What do I care how many lanes the highway has or how fast it can get me to Jersey city, what I am paying for is to get to my destination the fastest possible.

  21. EU Council presidency by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    EU Council presidency has probably no opinion on the matter. Like every other members of the council they probably do not know precisely what this is about. They are just following the advice of a random lobbyist that told them it would create jobs and improve economy.