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Doubling Saturated Fat In Diet Does Not Increase It In Blood

An anonymous reader writes: A new study by researchers at Ohio State University found that dramatically increasing the amount of saturated fat in a person's diet did not increase the amount of saturated fat found in their blood. Professor Jeff Volek, the study's senior author, said it "challenges the conventional wisdom that has demonized saturated fat and extends our knowledge of why dietary saturated fat doesn't correlate with disease."

The study also showed that increasing carbohydrates in the diet led to an increase in a particular fatty acid previous studies have linked to heart disease. Volek continued, "People believe 'you are what you eat,' but in reality, you are what you save from what you eat. The point is you don't necessarily save the saturated fat that you eat. And the primary regulator of what you save in terms of fat is the carbohydrate in your diet. Since more than half of Americans show some signs of carb intolerance, it makes more sense to focus on carb restriction than fat restriction."

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  1. Thats science for you .... by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

    When asked for advice you'll get the best recommendation scientists have at the time it's given. Hopefully it isn't actually completely wrong, backwards, missing a key piece of the puzzle, or just plain lethal. It will always be subject to revision, and in 50 years you might get the exact opposite advice. And that is before we get to misunderstandings by the public, or the results of dumbing down the recommendations to make them more easily understood but not completely correct any more.

    Eggs? Coffee? Butter v margarine? Vitamin supplements? ....

    Having said that, we need to keep at it with the best tools science has since it is the best way forward and has been proven many times despite being wrong at times.

    Now about "global warming" ....

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    1. Re:Thats science for you .... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When asked for advice you'll get the best recommendation scientists have at the time it's given.

      You make the mistake of thinking that the whole nutrition business is based on what scientists think.

      Every time there is a "nutritional discovery", marketing forces take over, and soon we are consuming vast amounts of oatmeal, completely overdosing on carbohydrates, eliminating eggs, eliminating fat, and consuming so many phytoestrogens than men are growing boobs. Which is just a small portion of the food fad industry, and the people who are convinced that if they only eat the right foods - or better put - eliminate the right foods, they'll live happy, healthy, lives in to their mid 100's.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    2. Re:Thats science for you .... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Actually, what scientists say is well known since 30 or more years (I'm 47 and know most of that stuff since minimum 30 years!).

      Actually most misinformation comes from the US like the climate change denying ...

      Bottom line it is super easy to love healthy ... just google for it and get a damn education! (to tired to repeat all the posts I made on this topic already and getting flamed)

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    3. Re:Thats science for you .... by gordo3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it is amazing to me how SURE everyone is that carbs are bad for you.

      carbs are, traditionally, the bedrock of human consumption. Hell, we look at the start of society by farming of a carbohydrate source. And frankly, some of the longest living countries have diets where carbs form the backbone of caloric intake. There may be a huge issue with constantly spiking your blood sugar with sweets (i.e. the american way), but just a little thought would show you how ridiculous it is to claim that carbs are the grim reaper.

      Example, Japan. Diets here (I live there so will speak where I have direct experience) are extremely carb heavy. In fact, rice forms the backbone of your ENTIRE DAY. Literally every meal has rice as a central part of your caloric intake. Meats, on the other hand, even fish, are not as common. And very few foods outside of restaurants are high fat. Other places, like Italy, have a high carb, high fat diet.

      What do most of the long lived countries have in common? their total calorie intake is low! The one thing that has never had any question mark: caloric restriction is the best indicator for long life. Not carbs, not fats, not saturated fats, not any of those. Just eat less. And it will lower all you blood markers simultaneously. Or, if you want, work out a hell of a lot (not this 3 hour a week BS, I am talking 10-15 hours a week of intense exercise). Then you can basically eat anything and your markers will be amazing.

      else, you have to find the diet that works for your genetics. For some, that will be low carb. or some, that will be low fat.

  2. Control the carbs and you control blood lipids by zerofoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    I tried a "low-cholesterol" diet and it made my lipid profiles worse. I went on cholesterol drugs, and they had awful side effects. Finally I gave up the cholesterol meds and started restricting carbs. My lipid profiles got much better and I've decided to simply live as a "borderline" case without cholesterol meds.

    I'm 20 pounds lighter, and I feel a hell of a lot better than on the meds.

    I'm not sure medical science understands (well enough) the relationship between carbs/blood sugar/cholesterol and cardiovascular disease. The low-fat diet and food pyramid is probably the worst thing ever foisted on the American people. With 30 years of run-away obesity and diabetes, maybe it's time to admit failure with those recommendations.

    We still let cereal manufacturers pitch their wares as "heart-healthy" - what a joke.

    1. Re:Control the carbs and you control blood lipids by turbidostato · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The low-fat diet and food pyramid is probably the worst thing ever foisted on the American people. With 30 years of run-away obesity and diabetes, maybe it's time to admit failure with those recommendations."

      As a foreigner I can easily see where USA's obesity epidemy comes from and it is not from any given food pyramid: have you paid attention lately to the ridiculously big rations you ingest? The ridiculously high levels of processed food? The ridiculously high comsumption of snacks and soda drinks?

    2. Re:Control the carbs and you control blood lipids by stoploss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "The low-fat diet and food pyramid is probably the worst thing ever foisted on the American people. With 30 years of run-away obesity and diabetes, maybe it's time to admit failure with those recommendations."

      As a foreigner I can easily see where USA's obesity epidemy comes from and it is not from any given food pyramid: have you paid attention lately to the ridiculously big rations you ingest? The ridiculously high levels of processed food? The ridiculously high comsumption of snacks and soda drinks?

      No, it really doesn't matter how much you consume on a low carb, high fat diet as long as you remain in nutritional ketosis.

      Here, one guy used himself as a guinea pig:
      5,800 kcal/day low carb high fat diet, then he repeated the experiment with a 5,000 kcal/day diet with high carb intake.

      These results make sense because the biochemical pathway signals are overloaded: the same hormones/substrates are used to signal more than one condition. That is to say, while your body is burning fat in nutritional ketosis it disables the pathways for laying down new fat stores. Essentially, a high fat/low carb diet tricks the body into thinking it is starving when it is not (the overloaded signals can't distinguish between the diet and true starvation), and it obviously makes no sense to store more fat if you're starving/burning fat. So, the body doesn't do it.

      But, yeah, all the soft drinks and shit are killing people. No argument from me there. Drop the carbs.

    3. Re:Control the carbs and you control blood lipids by adolf · · Score: 2

      Your numbers are off by a factor of one thousand.

    4. Re:Control the carbs and you control blood lipids by itzly · · Score: 2

      The links are just an anecdote of one person, set out to prove his own opinion. Not convincing.

  3. This guy was probably right by zerofoo · · Score: 2

    Entertaining movie about this:

    http://www.fathead-movie.com/

  4. Re:Calories in, calories out... by martas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Calories in, calories out" is given as a good first order approximation of reality for the purposes of weight loss (at least whenever I've seen it). This article isn't about weight loss, it's about health. It's obvious that being conducive to weight loss and being healthy are not synonymous. I could lose weight by eating nothing but cyanide.

    Now, it's true that even for weight loss "calories in, calories out" is only an approximation, but based on the admittedly small amount of information I have it is basically the most practically useful one, and using more complex models is counterproductive. Ultimately for most people trying to lose weight the most limiting factor is psychology. If you have some really nice theory about how different nutrients (or even exercise) affect weight differently, chances are you will be tempted to slack off on the by far much more important "calories in, calories out" equation, because you have a limited amount of mental energy. All the physiological tricks mean jack shit if you're inputting too much energy into yourself. Now of course what you eat still matters a lot, but mainly because it affects your psychology differently -- for instance, I've heard many anecdotal reports that 1200 calories from carbs leaves people feeling much less satisfied than the same amount from fat and protein, which of course is going to make it harder for a person not to eat any more. In other words, a corollary to "calories in, calories out" is "find whichever source of calories makes it easiest for you to maintain the equation", but even then physiology matters only in the way that it affects psychology, and not directly because some sources of calories are metabolized differently than others.

  5. "Low food" doesn't work either by melted · · Score: 2

    All of this has been studied in great detail in the area of sports nutrition. All those athletes whose physiques we all admire eat a lot of food, and they do also eat a lot of carbs. The key to weight loss is two fold:

    1. Maintain a _moderate_ caloric deficit given your level of physical activity. Moderate means no more than 300-500 calories deficit per day. You go over that (or go on a diet for too long) and your metabolism adapts to the new calorie intake. Life starts to suck, you have no energy, you get sick more easily.
    2. Eat a balanced diet. That includes carbs. If you're physically active, eat 40% of your daily carb intake immediately after you exercise.

    Easy right? Nope. #1 requires counting calories. Both #1 and #2 require you to consume meals you've pre-cooked yourself and carried with you, you can't just eyeball the balance of nutrients or calorie contents in a restaurant. That's mostly how athletes get their physiques (the other 40% of it being hard-ass training routine and genetics). Anyone can do it, very few people bother. It's much easier to yo-yo diet on a diet du jour, even though it doesn't help.

  6. Interesting though not to be overinterpreted by quantaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Before everyone jumps on the low-carb bandwagon there are a few caveats to note:

    1) All the participants had metabolic syndrome so the results might not be generally applicable.

    2) The meals were fixed portions, so we don't know how it affected appetite or how it compared to previous eating habits.

    3) We don't know what would happen long term. For instance all the participants followed the same pattern of steadily increasing carbs and decreasing fat, so it could be the body reacting to the delta.

    I just mention because most people are really interested in the question "if I want to lose weight and/or reduce my risk of heart disease should I eat more/less fat and more/less carbs". But that question is incredibly specific to one person and very poorly defined beyond that. This study says in these very specific circumstances the answer is more fat and less carbs, but that's not necessarily true in general. To think it does give the general answer only sets one up for a future accusation that science is always wrong when a future study with slightly different parameters seems to reach a different conclusion.

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    1. Re:Interesting though not to be overinterpreted by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Before everyone jumps on the low-carb bandwagon there are a few caveats to note:

      Thanks for this list -- yes, it's important to note the limitations of this study.

      However, one broader issue that this study should point out is the continued stupidity of the medical profession in assuming that because the quantity of X in diet is increased, it will necessarily increase the quantity of X in one's blood or other chemical markers.

      We've seen this for many years with cholesterol studies -- the body manufactures most cholesterol, so dietary consumption has little relation to blood cholesterol levels. But that hasn't stopped decades of doctors demonizing any food with cholesterol (e.g., eggs) with no actual basis. I know doctors who still give out this crap advice to focus on a "low cholesterol diet" to lower cholesterol. It just doesn't work that way for many (most?) people, and there's no reason it should.

      Now we have a study showing clearly that dietary saturated fat intake does not necessarily relate to the levels that ultimately end up in the bloodstream. Once again, this is common sense -- given that the body PRODUCES fat to store energy. If you're throwing fat into a system that is capable of producing fat, you have to actually consider what causes the system to produce fat... rather than just assuming it's only about how much fat is taken into the system.

      Anyhow, more studies like this will hopefully cause clueless doctors to realize this. Once again, when a system produces the vast majority of X, dietary intake of X is probably not the most important variable -- you need to figure out what regulates the production of X.

      Again, this seems like an intuitively obvious element for isolating what's going on in a system with such characteristics. But it seems beyond the comprehension of medical science -- hence all of the crappy dietary advice with no proven basis.

    2. Re:Interesting though not to be overinterpreted by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      Eskimos were selectively bred for that kind of a diet. There is some foodstuff that these zero-carb-eating indigenous tribes eat (rotten meat for example), that would be deadly poison to any other human.

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      "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
  7. 16 people? by cmdr_tofu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It seems awfully unscientific to come to any kind of conclusion based on a study of 16 people over a 3 week period with engineered diets.

    There is a saturated fat plateau. When you consume enough saturate fats, you cannot absorb them, but that doesn't mean it's a healthy amount to eat.

    Add this to the list of misleading studies: http://nutritionfacts.org/vide...

    1. Re:16 people? by cmdr_tofu · · Score: 2

      Ooops sorry wrong link. This one talks about risk plateau: http://nutritionfacts.org/vide...

  8. Overall effect of phytoestrogens: Still unknown. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2

    "... consuming so many phytoestrogens than men are growing boobs."

    From the National Institutes of Health, a free PDF: The pros and cons of phytoestrogens. The author considered 308 scientific sources and came to the conclusion that not enough is known to indicate that phytoestrogens are good or bad for humans.

  9. Re: So low carb vindicated again by layabout · · Score: 2

    trig history pre hi carb, 400. high carb diet, 600. low carb diet back down to 400 then up to 850.

  10. Re:Calories in, calories out... by itzly · · Score: 2
    On the other hand, according to the study:

    Participants, on average, lost almost 22 pounds by the end of the trial.

    So, apparently, more calories went out than in. Which also makes this a poor study. We know that weight loss improves health and risk markers in the blood. Therefore, a study that was designed to measure the effects of macro nutrient distribution now is distorted by the weight loss. What they should have done is pay more attention to keep the total calorie intake the same as the output, so that the overall weight of the test group stays stable.

  11. Re: So low carb vindicated again by itzly · · Score: 2

    So, the only psychopaths this policy really benefits are the subset who own or are bribed by Big Pharma, and to a lesser degree the armies of cardiologists and dieticians who service this system

    You forget the processed food industry, which has no concerns for your health, and is specifically engineering food to make it as addictive as possible. Unfortunately, a very addictive combination is a 50/50 mixture of sugar and fat. Despite all the dietary science we do, the industry will continue to design food to maximize profits.

  12. It works. by Anonanonaon · · Score: 2

    Been on this diet for a couple of years now. Works great. I feel awesome and I look awesome, and it doesn't take any real effort. (Though, you have to give blood to keep your iron down, take your magnesium and keep your vitamin C levels up). But if you DO a little training.., wow! Super hero muscles for nothing.

    I don't buy the, "Oh, this time next decade, they'll be telling you the exact opposite!" apathetic complaints. People last decade were fat and unhealthy and heart disease was a problem. All the vegetarians I know are either too skinny and malnourished or fat and grey, and all of them are suffering from the brain fog of early onset dementia. God love 'em for their ethics, but honestly! I'd rather kill a cow than have a heart attack at 55. Sorry. I do promise to kill it nicely.

    There is a fundamental truth which reality orbits around regardless of what you happen to believe or what the science magazines say. They may tell us the opposite next year, but they'll be wrong at best, and liars at worst.

    Ye Olde Science Magazines are no better than religious pamphlets these days, so I'm going to go ahead and trust logic, my own research, community information sharing initiatives and my own five senses on this one, thanks.

    I'm sick of trusting authority-based science when they tell me I'm the victim of magic show antics and that my senses are unreliable; that I can only trust my leaders. Fuck that! I know I'm not infallible, but I'm also pretty smart; I'm not a slave to my ego, scared to be wrong. I know how to correct for errors once I detect them. -Like if my gut started expanding and my heart started feeling fluttery and if my skin wasn't glowing with health on this high fat diet, I'd stop and go back to eating wheat and sugar. I don't need some fool in a government lab coat or some pill-salesman to tell me what to think.

    I'm just amazed that acceptance of high fat/low carb diets is taking hold. The fact that something works usually means people are running in the opposite direction.

    It makes me wonder if perhaps there isn't something worse we're missing which makes the optimal health we're learning to enjoy invalid; what could make lots of strong and healthy people a non-threat to the power establishment I wonder..?

  13. Gary Taubes spelled much of this out by swb · · Score: 2

    ...in "Good Calories, Bad Calories".

    Some of it is historical -- prior to the Ancel Keys bad science about diet, it was a commonly held understanding that cutting carbohydrate consumption contributed to weight loss. Taubes cites numerous sources, some dating back hundreds of years. IIRC, even the science was trending this way before WWII but a lot of it was German-led science which the war lost and competitiveness from American scientists chose to bury.

    The science behind insulin as the primary hormonal regulator of fat accumulation has been known since the 1960s.

    Most troubling from Taubes' book is the weird politics of dietary science and how senior people who control funding for studies get wed to particular theories and hang on to them even when evidence doesn't support them, even suppressing promising science that tends to discredit these ideas.