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Bidding In Government Auction of Airwaves Reaches $34 Billion

An anonymous reader sends word that the 2014 wireless spectrum license auction has surpassed $34 billion. "A government auction of airwaves for use in mobile broadband has blown through presale estimates, becoming the biggest auction in the Federal Communications Commission's history and signaling that wireless companies expect demand for Internet access by smartphones to continue to soar. And it's not over yet. Companies bid more than $34 billion as of Friday afternoon for six blocks of airwaves, totaling 65 megahertz of the electromagnetic spectrum, being sold by the F.C.C. That total is more than three times the $10.5 billion reserve price that the commission put on the sale, the first offering of previously unavailable airwaves in six years."

85 comments

  1. Not sure if it adds up by rossdee · · Score: 1

    If company A bids 15 million, and company B bids 14.5 billion and company C bids 6 billion, then all the Govt gets is the 15 billion from the top bidder, not the sum total of the bids

    1. Re:Not sure if it adds up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would presume that this is the sum of the current top bids for each block, not the sum of all bids for all blocks...

      Don't worry, the costs for the companies will be passed onto the consumer.

    2. Re:Not sure if it adds up by vivian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Either way you cut it, it's just another tax that gets paid by the end consumer, a big fat windfall for consolidated revenue.

      I think a much better way would be for companies to bid based on the value they bring to the end consumer public, with the company that promises the best value winning.
      If that company fails to deliver within some reasonable time frame, the spectrum should be passed on to the next best offer.
      Value wound be measured based on dollars per GBit that they agree to offer the end service for. (voice calls really should be priced this way too, these days - now everything is digital)

      if it really isn't practicable to implement something like the above, lt'd be nice to at least see the money spent on a fibre roll-out or other physical media based infrastructure.

    3. Re:Not sure if it adds up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the 3G spectrum sales in Europe have taught anything, this seems to be the case. Good times those early 2000s.

      Nonetheless, things seem to be better now and I enjoy my 10 EUR unlimited (yes, unlimited without data caps or throttling) 4G plan.

    4. Re:Not sure if it adds up by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      Either way you cut it, it's just another tax that gets paid by the end consumer

      Exactly. Basically the headline could say "mobile internet tax much higher than estimated: $34 billion dollars".

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    5. Re: Not sure if it adds up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that logic then all private telecom profits are a tax the public pays?

      With governments starved of funds Id much prefer they get money for the finite amount of spectrum they have allocated. They can spend that money on us rather than rich shareholders.

      Without a government there is no matket and society to sell mobile phones to.

    6. Re:Not sure if it adds up by pehrs · · Score: 1

      We tried that. It's called "beauty contests". There have been plenty of those, specially with the spectrum allocations in Europe the 1990ths.

      They tend not to give very good outcomes. It is much easier to hold companies to paying a certain sum than it is to hold them to promises, especially after a few years of restructuring and consolidation in the market. In many cases companies have been sitting on huge chunks of spectrum without doing anything, sometimes just paying the fines for returning the spectrum after a while. In addition, the rules and ruling in beauty contests tend to become hives of corruption.

      Beauty contests may be a good idea in some emerging markets where there is very little incentives to pay for spectrum. In the rest of the world, let the market decide what the spectrum is worth, and let the teleco's pay through the nose for the spectrum. There is no reason to give away something that valuable.

    7. Re:Not sure if it adds up by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      True, but in this case, the top bids, combined, are $34B. In other words, if the auction ended today, the government would receive $34 billion.

    8. Re:Not sure if it adds up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what if it's the sum of the top bids?

    9. Re: Not sure if it adds up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Governments] can spend that money on us

      Teeheehee.

    10. Re:Not sure if it adds up by rtaylor · · Score: 1

      [b]I think a much better way would be for companies to bid based on the value they bring to the end consumer public, with the company that promises the best value winning.[/b]

      I believe Russia did something like this with their last spectrum auction. Companies received the spectrum for free (20 year lease or something) and made promises of certain quality of service and network capabilities in exchange.

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    11. Re:Not sure if it adds up by rtaylor · · Score: 1

      Damnit! Messed up the tag.

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    12. Re:Not sure if it adds up by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Well it isn't a broad tax. It is a fee paid by people who consume lots of bandwidth to people who consume government services. Those aren't necessarily (or likely) the same people. Using price as a mechanism to determine the best possible public use make sense in a capitalist society.

      As far as fibre rollout. That's an entirely different function and involves (with some overlap) different companies and different consumers.

    13. Re:Not sure if it adds up by khallow · · Score: 1

      Either way you cut it, it's just another tax that gets paid by the end consumer, a big fat windfall for consolidated revenue.

      Except that it isn't a tax.

      I think a much better way would be for companies to bid based on the value they bring to the end consumer public

      Which the current method provides. After all, why would the company or its end consumers pay this "tax", if a valuable service isn't being provided?

    14. Re:Not sure if it adds up by davester666 · · Score: 1

      why? your total would be far less that the GP's total? and it is way more impressive to report the much larger number, even knowing you will get far less.

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    15. Re:Not sure if it adds up by SeePage87 · · Score: 1

      Good work! I'm getting my Ph.D. in economics, and mechanism design is one of my focuses. Not sure who's behind this, but what's the goals of the auction? There's no terribly good reason raising revenue should be one of the goals since it can be raised with other forms of taxation with less distortion; as you pointed out, a good bit of the incidence of this tax is going to be pushed onto mobile internet users in the form of higher prices, which is ultimately just another regressive tax most of us can't afford, like that on gasoline (which doesn't meaningfully reduce driving).

      I would hope the goals would be to get the spectrum in the hands of the entity that will put it to its highest and best use for societal welfare. Profitability is some measure of this, and so the highest bidder may ultimately be the one able to create the most value, but making them pay as much as possible for the spectrum just ensures they will need to capture as much of that value for themselves as possible to pay for their bid.

      I'm not sure about the technical details regarding spectrum and bandwidth in this case, but some kind of required-investment bidding would be a better approach. I believe that the theoretical max bandwidth is a function of type and width of spectrum (65 MHz of electromagnetic), but there's plenty of gains from capital investment to be had regarding hardware to run the networks and probably from signal optimization, depending on how they allocate their MHz across sections/channels (e.g. minimizing noise and interference, maybe some kind of dynamic/automatically re-sizing of spectrum divisions based on bandwidth needs of each section at any given time, etc). Bidding in $ of capital investment would be a decent approach since they have some motivation to make those $'s go as far as possible, but having some projected return on investment with respect to consumer experience would be nice. Unfortunately, that gives incentive to exaggerate one's efficiency, corrupting the usefulness of all such projections in the bid, and the projections themselves are hard enough to create that you'd be hard pressed to prove any misleading conduct beyond standard corporate optimism if they fall short.

      Seriously, though, who the hell designed this auction, and why did they not consider any of these standard questions any auction designer worth her salt would have started with from the get go? Makes me more curious where the money from the bids will ultimately end up, since corruption is the only strong reason (I don't buy gov incompetence here).

    16. Re:Not sure if it adds up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good work! I'm getting my Ph.D. in economics, and mechanism design is one of my focuses. Not sure who's behind this, but what's the goals of the auction? ... Seriously, though, who the hell designed this auction, and why did they not consider any of these standard questions any auction designer worth her salt would have started with from the get go? Makes me more curious where the money from the bids will ultimately end up, since corruption is the only strong reason (I don't buy gov incompetence here).

      I suspect that the designers knew their mechanism design quite well and deserve more credit than you are giving them. If you are interested from a research perspective, I suggest you ask Peter Crampton. If he wasn't involved in the design side of the auction, he probably knows who was. As far as who set the goals, my understanding is that the blame there lies with congress...

    17. Re: Not sure if it adds up by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      Agreed. New Zealand auctioned off frequency and the result was expensive services few could use as frequency holders tried to recover the cost of the frequency. Auctions are stupid. Just allocate the frequency, then tax the resulting business.

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  2. The American Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So... What does the American public get out of this deal?

    1. Re:The American Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucked.

    2. Re:The American Public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Faster Internet access to all your mobile devices. As the poster above mentioned beauty contests worked poorly. The fact that this much money is poured into this spectrum motivates the big companies to get an ROI as soon as possible.

      If the politicians do their jobs maybe 34 billion will allow the FCC to hire some people who understand the Internet enough to regulate it well? I'd do it for half that.

    3. Re:The American Public by kaiser423 · · Score: 1

      A decent chunk of the money (but way less than half) gets distributed out to the industries that have to move out of this spectrum that they're allocating. There are *lots* of legacy users in this spectrum that will get a small chunk of this money to move out of this spectrum and into other spectrum. That's why these auctions can be so hellishly complicated; before it can even be auctioned, they have to find other spectrum available to move legacy users into, which might require an auction or consolidation itself, etc, etc. You really need a long-term plan to make these kinds of things happen. Some of these industries have been notified for nearly a decade now (if not longer) about their spectrum going away in the future, and hence they've planned for it and just need the money from the auction to wholesale upgrade their entire enterprise and their customers.

    4. Re:The American Public by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      Very good point. Was trying to keep it simple. If I recall, the expected relocation costs are in the range of $6B for this spectrum.

    5. Re:The American Public by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Well in addition to better phone performance, $34b is spending on the public welfare. They lose some spectrum from government usage.

  3. Leasing the airwaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like a much cheaper idea for the corporations. Why are we selling them?

    a company owning swaths of spectrum just seems like a bad idea from a technological progress standpoint.

    1. Re:Leasing the airwaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US government is not selling them, they are leasing them. The initial license period is for a 12 year term, with subsequent renewals as 10 year terms.
              http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/default.htm?job=auction_factsheet&id=97#License%20Period%20and%20Construction%20Requirements

  4. what about air? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    When is the government going to auction off the fucking air we breath to the highest bidder?

    1. Re:what about air? by jazzis · · Score: 1

      Real Soon!

    2. Re:what about air? by N1AK · · Score: 1, Informative

      What do you suggest? That we leave the spectrum unregulated and whomever can put out the most powerful signal in an area gets, degraded by competiting transmissions, control of it? That sounds great, we're all looking for solutions that generate no money for citizens and are virtually unworkable right ;)

    3. Re:what about air? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government should structure the use of the spectrum to maximize (orderly) competition. This would reduce the value to the mobile network operators, because they wouldn't be able to gouge their customers as much, and thus reduce the bid sum and the direct revenue for the government. High bidding just shows that the operators expect to get customers to pay a lot, which isn't what the government (for the people, mmkay?) should aim for.

    4. Re:what about air? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I suggest we regulate it like most power/water/sewage companies are regulated - there's a single (very profit- and performance-regulated) company that is responsible for the infrastructure - towers, transceivers, and backhaul in this case. Carriers would then be able to lease access to spectrum from that company with little/no barrier to entry.

      Just because you can't see most of the infrastructure it doesn't mean that you shouldn't manage it wisely like any other infrastructure, be it water/sewer pipes or power distribution lines.

      I'd love to see this model applied to telephone/fiber/CATV and cellular towers - imagine being able to actually select an internet provider from a wide array of competing companies instead of being locked in to the one that your municipality made the best $$$ deal with.

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    5. Re:what about air? by N1AK · · Score: 1

      Just because you can't see most of the infrastructure it doesn't mean that you shouldn't manage it wisely like any other infrastructure, be it water/sewer pipes or power distribution lines

      Gettings tens of billions of dollars for it may be the best way to manage it ;) It's not like setting up a new, or negotiating a deal with an established, company in a contract that encourages them to invest while stopping them making 'unreasonable' profits is either easy or guaranteed to work as intended. The auction process is handing the government billions, putting multiple competitors into the market and they'll have to pay for their own infrastructure. The auction model for spectrum worked pretty well in the UK, though I do wish they'd sold off some of the spectrum in smaller blocks at regional levels to allow smaller players to get into the market as well.

    6. Re:what about air? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is an extremely poor way of managing the spectrum financially.
      Sure, the companies will pay tens of billions to the government. After they spend a few more billion building out the infrastructure they will charge the consumerns hundreds of billions over the next decade. Wouldn't it be better to cut out the middleman?

    7. Re:what about air? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      No. It wouldn't be better. Running networks is hard. And so far government has proven pretty bad at managing local wifi which is much easier than building out a cellular network. I can think of lots of things that I'd like to socialize long before telco.

    8. Re:what about air? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      I never once mentioned the government running the infrastructure COMPANY. My local power company, Dominion, has two separate sides - a power generation side and a power distribution side. Both are heavily regulated by the Va State Corp Commission, and both have to apply for rate increases that are not always approved. The distribution company has strict performance requirements and fixed profit caps in exchange for being the only power distribution company that gets to run lines to your house. You can buy your power from any number of generation providers (including the generation side of Dominion) that all use the same distribution provider. Their rates are separate on my bill.

      I could start "Dave's Power and Light" and provide my 'Green power from horse turds' over the same distribution network for not a whole lot of up-front cash. I propose the same structure for all utilities, including cellular.

      I can think of lots of things that I'd like to socialize long before telco.

      You realize that the same distribution company/provider company situation already exists in the landline telco industry, right? I can get my dialtone from anyone over my local telco's wires to my house.

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    9. Re:what about air? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      What you are proposing exists for cellular as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

    10. Re:what about air? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      To a point it exists, but there is still separate and competing infrastructure out there. Until every tower has generic transceivers for each allocated band on it and no cellular provider owns their own infrastructure, the big companies still have a huge 'leg up' over the virtual ones that have to lease from one of the biggies.

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    11. Re:what about air? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      They aren't leasing. What they are doing is buying blocks of minutes wholesales and reselling them retail:
      A units of 100k minutes M-F 8-6
      B units of 100k minutes nights
      C units of 100k minutes weekends
      D units of 1m SMS
      E units of 2t data
      F DIDs

      Then they break this up an sell it retail. I don't know that they actually have much of an advantage over the in-house providers. Sprint for example does most of its business on the wholesale side. AT&T does a lot of wholesale. Verizon doesn't like the wholesale side but PagePlus still has millions of subscribers.

      As for separate and competing infrastructure. That's a different problem though some of the MVNOs allow you pass between infrastructure. For example they might use T-mobile where it is available (cheap) and AT&T where they can't get T-mobile.

    12. Re:what about air? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I wasn't clear - I meant they were leasing airtime, not towers. They're still beholden to the price that the 'big ones' place on leasing out their own infrastructure to what could be called competitors. When you lease airtime, you're implicitly leasing the towers, too.

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    13. Re:what about air? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Well yes... In theory the big players could wipe the MVNOs out by so advantaging their own retail division. In practice that doesn't happen. The retail divisions have branding and focus concerns. The wholesale divisions are competing for the MVNO's business. And for some players (like Sprint) the MVNO business is more important than their retail division. So I'd say it is a non problem for now though it could become one.

  5. This is great news if you like getting Cataracts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1st Pooop!!! bravo! once again.

  6. Is putting airwaves up for auction any good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I understand the whole tragedy of the commons thing, but isnt' there a more equitable way to do the whole airwaves thing?

    I have a feeling this is only to fill government coffers a bit, but it screws out poor people. The service and competition in American wireless is really atrocious and it's reflected in the high and stagnant prices.

    1. Re:Is putting airwaves up for auction any good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that the spectrum they're auctioning off is from broadcast television.
      They're taking a free service and selling it to the highest bidder so then can maximize their profits on the backs of consumers.

    2. Re:Is putting airwaves up for auction any good? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Speed is poor in America because of low density mostly. The American system is much more expensive to build than the east Asian or European system. That is one of the many many costs due to our housing / transportation policies. As for the poor, the poor mostly do use some cellular data. This does benefit them. Plus the $34b is very likely to benefit them.

  7. Such a shame :( by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

    Scarce limited resource being sold off to the highest bidder and all that money will be spent in 3-4 days.

  8. 'murica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps mention *USA* in the title or excerpt? Surprisingly enough, not all of us live there.

  9. Leasing the airwaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they invest a lot of money to use the spectrum. They want guarantees that they will be able to keep it.

    Some parts of the spectrum are leased, which is significantly cheaper. Some VHF frequencies can be had for less than 200$ per year. If your infrastructure is cheap, by all means you just license it.

  10. Government undervalues common assets (again) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet again the government is selling off stuff which is a "common asset" to the highest bidder and totally undervalued the resource in its original estimates.

  11. Who ends up paying for this? by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

    Who ends up paying for this in the end? You do! $100 a month for 1GB of data and you still pay to receive text messages! Ha-ha! Dumbasses.

    1. Re:Who ends up paying for this? by pehrs · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that it would be any cheaper if the teleco's got spectrum worth billions for free?

    2. Re:Who ends up paying for this? by jo7hs2 · · Score: 1

      Um... I pay around $70 for 1gb with unlimited texting and calls with one of the two major telcos. Your math is off.

    3. Re:Who ends up paying for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you think you're getting a good deal. Americans really need to look at the "rest of the world" more, and I mean look, not just parade their egos around.

    4. Re:Who ends up paying for this? by jo7hs2 · · Score: 1

      No, I don't consider it a great deal, but it is certainly not as bad of a deal as was initially portrayed. The data allotment is puny, but paying to receive text messages is pretty rare these days.

    5. Re:Who ends up paying for this? by jo7hs2 · · Score: 1

      And wouldn't it be nice if an American could make a perfectly factual statement without being accused of being stupid, ignorant, or arrogant for a change? Sheesh.

    6. Re: Who ends up paying for this? by Ahnahmoley · · Score: 1

      Then stop being a statistic. American here. European folks occasionally state unlimited 4g everything for close half what you pay. I have truly unlimited with T mobile and its 90 per month until the non subsidized phone I broke 2 months ago is paid off. In 6 months. We are being taken for a ride pal.

    7. Re: Who ends up paying for this? by jo7hs2 · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree that we're getting ripped off...I've already stated I don't think I'm getting a great deal. My point is the America-bashing commentary was uncalled for and rude. Also, your own plan tends to refute the argument we're all getting ripped off. And in my case, since I have only managed to use my full 1GB allotment twice (both time on vacation, whoop-tee-do-day a $15 overage) and I live in a spot where coverage aside from Verizon and AT&T is crappy (I have one of those free 200mb deals on my iPad with T-Mobile that barely can connect outdoors), I haven't had much incentive to change carriers. Frankly, I'm tired of hearing about it. We get that many if not most developed countries have cheaper service. Doesn't mean we're a nation of idiots.

    8. Re: Who ends up paying for this? by kaiser423 · · Score: 1

      Yea, but it's also getting better. I have unlimited talk, text and 2.5GB of LTE, with unlimited after that. $40/mo (Straight Talk with discounts). Pretty close to what my friends who live in the EU pay if they get a plan that works everywhere in the continent. They can get cheaper ones that cover a limited area, but you can also do that in the states too. I'd personally just like more competition; the prices are actually coming down if you move off-carrier (similar to what is seen in Europe also).

    9. Re: Who ends up paying for this? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      No you aren't. You live in a country with a total different population density spread than Europeans do. They have a higher percentage of their population concentrated than we do. (If you are going to try and do this for yourself, don't calculate people per sq mile that's not the relevant figure, the relevant figure is number of square miles with moderate population).

      You want to object to America's housing / transportation policy that's the root of the problem. Not the telcos.

    10. Re: Who ends up paying for this? by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

      If you exclude all the unpopulated areas of America, you live just as tightly packed as any other developed country. Your legal system is just stupid, and you're too happy with bending over backwards for your big businesses.

      I live in a country with 1/4th the population of New York, spread across an area 1/3rd the size of New York. I have 14 mobile phone carriers to choose from. Yes, 14, and that's not counting the ones that've shut down over the years. Looking at the first company on the list, 3, the most expensive contract I can pick is unlimited talking, unlimited texting, unlimited MMS (picture texts, don't know what you call them) and 20GB/month data limit. If you don't need that much data, you can get the same deal with just 5GB for 30$ or 1GB for $20. Population quantity or density makes no difference. Your country is just consumer-unfriendly.

  12. Ts and Cs by JeffOwl · · Score: 2

    I wonder what provisions the government put on the license. Perhaps something about infrastructure to aid in surveillance?

    /Tinfoil?

    1. Re:Ts and Cs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly comments like that stopped being tinfoil crazy a while ago.

    2. Re:Ts and Cs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess is at minimum it will fund Obamaphone for those who can't afford a phone and internet.

    3. Re:Ts and Cs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

  13. Allow me to say by EuclideanSilence · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our new E-Mag spectrum overlords.

  14. United States by gsslay · · Score: 1

    Would it have hurt to mention which government ?

    1. Re:United States by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you mention "the government" without listing a specific state, it's pretty obvious you mean the federal government. Besides, TFS even mentions the FCC. Did you really think they might be talking about Missouri or something?

    2. Re:United States by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Which federal government?

    3. Re:United States by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one here, in the United States, where Slashdot has always been located.

    4. Re:United States by ChoosyBeggar · · Score: 1

      They did mention the FCC.

  15. Only 65 megahertz? by roger_that · · Score: 1

    I don't believe for a moment that $34 Billion is being bid for 65 megahertz of spectrum; I suspect there is an error somewhere here. Could it be somewhere closer to 65 Gigahertz?

    1. Re:Only 65 megahertz? by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      Just because you can't believe it, doesn't mean it's not true. 65MHz, covering 315 million people. Spectrum's usually priced per MHz-POP (i.e. 10MHz of spectrum covering 1 million people is 10 million MHz-POPs).

      There's a huge amount of variation in pricing, though. The most expensive license right now (on a MHz-POP basis) is for 10MHz covering the Chicago area (8.3M people) - $5.50 per MHz-POP. The most expensive license on an absolute basis is for 20MHz covering the NY Metro Area (27M people): $2 billion.

      On the other hand, there are some licenses in rural Louisiana and South Dakota going for under $2k, or less than $0.01 per MHz-POP.

    2. Re:Only 65 megahertz? by kaiser423 · · Score: 1

      65MHz is TON of spectrum. Most LTE is operating on a couple of 10MHz chunks. 65MHz, nationwide is enough to start multiple *new* wireless companies. If it wasn't so impossible to actually build a competent telecom that can compete, we'd see a lot more interesting things happening here. Look at the continual T-Mobile and Sprint acquisition/merger talks to see that it would be a huge risk of $50B+ to try to start up a whole new carrier in the US. It would be amazing, but incredibly risky capital investment.

  16. The Death of Public Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If these companies are willing to spend soooo much on this spectrum, that means they are going to fight tooth and nail against any sort of free public wifi. The laws they bought to kill municipal broadband are going to be chicken-shit compared to the laws they will pay to kill municipal wifi.

    1. Re:The Death of Public Wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction: free public wifi.

  17. Read the article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reading the article you can quickly find your answer.

  18. $34 Billion tax on consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks Government!

  19. T-Mobile better get their hands on some of this by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

    Part of the problem with the FCC is that they are not following their guideline to promote competition. If you sell a small amount of bandwidth at auction and Verizon and AT&T buy it all up for a crazy amount of money then all the FCC has done is allowed the duopoly to limit competition.

    They should put a price tag on the spectrum, provision it out and offer it in turn like a draft. Then the companies can buy positions from one another for other terms that are agreed upon before the draft begins. Much better for competition.

    1. Re:T-Mobile better get their hands on some of this by jbolden · · Score: 1

      The FCC's means of allowing competition is having a vibrant MVNO industry. See what Sprint, AT&T and T-mobile are doing with their spectrum on the wholesale side. Lots of non-compatible towers doesn't help anything it just makes America's system worse.

  20. Auctioning spectrum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was a good approach when the time technology was limited. Now a days the cost of adding an embedded device to allow the spectrum to be multiplexed is very low. There is no reason (aside from spectrum for scientific and military application) that in general there should be a policy that encourages common communication standards for devices. We are letting old technology dominate what could be a boon in communications capabilities for all of us.

  21. Another consumer rip off by troll+-1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a free zero cost medium. The spectrum should be opnened up to everyone with power being the only limitation. We are told over and over the spectrum needs to be regulated because of interference yet for all intents and purposes there is nothing in physics that limits information density until you get to the quantum level. Wireless carriers have zero incentive to combat interference when they have a monopoly on the spectrum. They just charge more. It's also obvious to many engineers that mesh networks are more efficient. But mesh networks decentralize authority and therefore affect revenue so meshing is not likely to be popular with incumbent carriers. All those billions will ultimately be paid for be the consumer while the incumbents have zero incentive to innovate. We should take the spectrum away from business people and give it to engineers who can actually do something with it.

    1. Re:Another consumer rip off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you! Someone gets it, All of these spectrum auctions are license allow a few companies to use artificial scarcity on a resource that given to the public would do a lot more good. WE NEED PUBLIC SPECTRUM MORE THAN WE NEED VERIZON TO HAVE BETTER COVERAGE.

  22. Seizing Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many Internet users have already started to seize control of these bands. Since Obama and the FCC are attempting to seize control over the Internet, Mesh networks are in development, and those frequencies will be utilized weather the FCC wants them used or not. Courts and laws not withstanding.

    The fact that it's openly talked about by many people, indicates that those that are biding on them, will have no excuses, and no crying when other people bleed over "their" frequency. The bidders know about it or at least should have known about it and they should stay clear of it. They are accepting the results.

  23. Stealing by brunnegd · · Score: 1

    These frequencies were taken from the military by threat of a financial gun. The bands are important for national defense, which to me is more important than allowing teenagers to text each other.

    1. Re:Stealing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you get modded up.

      Another concern is whether those in tornado alley can get TV without fear of the digital cliff. Yes, radio is an option, but radio doesn't have pictures. I think they should have saved at least one TV channel for emergency purposes. One that can be upped to a high power during emergencies too.

  24. funny math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    think your math issue stems from fact they auctioned 6 BLOCKS of spectrum not 1 unit