Study: Space Rock Impacts Not Random
sciencehabit writes When it comes to small space rocks blowing up in Earth's atmosphere, not all days are created equal. Scientists have found that, contrary to what they thought, such events are not random, and these explosions may occur more frequently on certain days. Rather than random occurrences, many large airbursts might result from collisions between Earth and streams of debris associated with small asteroids or comets. The new findings may help astronomers narrow their search for objects in orbits that threaten Earth, the researchers suggest.
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Is, or is not, physics at a macro scale deterministic or not?
If your answer is "yes, it is" please stop using "random" in this way. By "random" you mean "as yet unexplained," even if as a scientist/teacher/etc. your ego doesn't want you to admit that.
Science benefits from clarity, not personally-comfortable equivocation.
I would have thought this was common sense.
Instead of believing The Giant Flying Spaghetti Monster likes to randomly through rocks at us from up on high, we instead correlate that higher meteor activity is linked to Earths passing through debris fields from existing comet trails, the SAME trails every X amount of years.
Sounds like a story from the 1800's
YMMV, but I like top hide under my bed.
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It's even worse than that. Going by this quote, they're using it to mean even or homogeneous:
contrary to what they thought, such events are not random, and these explosions may occur more frequently on certain days.
You know, like if a coin comes up heads four times in a row that's "not random".
As to the astronomy bit, this has been known since forever. The major ones have names and can even be predicted. Crapdot FTL.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
It'd be fun to point out to them that their usage of "random" is a more mystical explanation than "God did it," and gauge their reaction.
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Because then, we'd find many to threaten earth!
Technically.
Unless you are suggested the Bugs are up to something, the events are still random, they are just not uniformly distributed. Get it right!
Someone already said that God doesn't play dice. But I cannot remember the name ...
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
Haven't we known this for like fucking ever?
so they looked at *big* rocks, not small rocks. We know that small rocks often come in showers as comet tails or clouds of assorted crap that we pass through. This study was on the big rocks that are not known to be part of specfic meteor showers like the leonids or whatever. They were previously thought to be fairly random, however the tests they did basically prove that meteor impacts are not a particularly good source of entropy for /dev/random (well, apart from the multiple obvious reasons not to feed them into /dev/random, they are also not sufficiently random and unrelated to each other)
Well, no. Standard usage to describe something as "random" and consider it thereby explained.
If that is in fact what is meant, though, worthwhile to have that stated explicitly. Notable how often considering the distinction carefully is informative.
...that this is news?
I'm not an astronomer, but I was pretty sure that the idea that the US passes through periodic 'clouds' of debris was as old as astronomy - how is this substantially different than the Leonid (passing through the debris left by comet Swift-Tuttle)or Perseid meteor shower (passing through the debris left by comet Tempel-Tuttle)?
Personally, I've wondered if some of these could coincide with truly massive volcanic eruptions or meteorite impacts historically, the ones hefty enough to land earth rocks on the moon or Mars. Such an eruption would, it seems to me, leave a 'cloud' of very small debris with its own orbit that would logically impact earth's orbit at the point they were created.
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The small space rocks that shower the Earth at regular intervals are small because a big rock once collided with the Earth, sending debris into an orbit around the Sun that regularly intersects with the Earth's. Those rocks pose no current threat to the Earth, their damage was done at the time of mass extinctions past, or when the oceans were carved out, or what ever other distant past event they caused. The ones to worry about are the large interstellar rocks that haven't hit yet. So no, this does not help narrow the search for objects that threaten the Earth at all.
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If it is statistically expected 2.2% chance of the time is is entirely possible to be the result of chance alone. Specifically, you would expect it to be observed in one data set out of fifty. There's nothing magic about the 95% percentile used in biology, and there's a very good reason particle physicists insist on 6-sigma (0.000001%) deviations before calling a discovery "confirmed".
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Dear Slashdot, this has been known for almost 200 years.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Newton also knew this 350 years go but forgot to write it down.
hoping for something much cooler when they heard that impacts were "not random?"
To all the commenters claiming we've already known this for centuries... no, we haven't. There's no reason to presume a priori that large objects occur in "showers" like the smaller (ash particle to pea sized) objects that make up familiar meteor showers. And astrostatisticians are very unhappy with the quality of the statistics in this paper, and they are suggesting the null hypothesis can't be rejecting using better statistical tools: https://astrostatistics.wordpr...
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The meteors are associated with old degassed comets which are as black as tar and very hard to see. One of these comet will eventually impact the earth. And no one will see it coming. It will be a "Black Swan" event.
contrary to what they thought, such events are not random,
Random? Ask the good people on the Rodger Young who were attacked by a lobbed meteor from the Klendathu system, or the near 10 million lives lost in Buenos Aires when that rock landed. Good people. Innocent people. The SkyMarshal is gathering for an all out retaliatory strike to avenge the deaths. It would be an excellent time to step up and serve and become a citizen! Do your part now!
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I say they are from Planet P; duh.
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why do meteorites "expode" in the atmosphere? Can someone post a simple explanation? Yes, I know stuff gets hot when it flies through the atmosphere at very high speeds, but what is the mechanism for a kilo/mega ton explosion? Why don't they just ablate (is that the right word)?
So you're just a little rock drifting in space, perhaps you have a bit of slow elliptical gig with the Sun or some heavy vector from rude encounters with other Astrobumps and potato-lumps. But these vectors have mostly cancelled each other and you're copa-centric with the solar system, just chillin'.
Every now and then you wiggle-woggle as a giant vacuum cleaner that is Jupiter or Mars passes, which leaves you a bit perturbed but its song is so enticing. You do a little dusting now and then to spruce up the neighborhood and your day/night sides fill you with just enough electrostatic tickle and a tug of graviton tockle to gather little bits. Just a big lovable clump, like a giant iron-filled molar enjoying the solitude of space grooving on the universe.
But the groove is changing. You are humming with beacons and bitcoms and bacon commercials, ringing with SATCOM beams and HF RTTY streams, and music and bouncy over-the-horizon PAVE PAWS and wave claws of a modern age. And music, voices! Millions of voices. Single sideband gwobbles and gwerps, AM throbby-bumps and gurgle-beats, quavering FM and chaotic barking bursty bits channelized and encrypted for your protection. Lissen up party people, meat is in the house. And it's talking.
And IT is the source, that THING, a rolling blue ball with puffy white squiggles tumbling towards you. Clearly this is a bad place to be because it is headed in your direction and its inhabitants are too stupid or inconsiderate to move it aside.
Its mass tugs at you as a thin layer of atmosphere sears blazing heat through your little rocky self. It becomes thicker and you dissolve in an explosion of heat and light. Your elementary particles will add mass to this malevolent menace as a few creatures point their stubby fingers at your death and say, "Ooooooooooooooo!".
Then they will get on their cell phones and blabble over the radio accusing YOU of attacking THEM.
Stoopid PEOPLE on their BIG BLUE DEATH MARBLE.
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse after the weekend along comes a space rock to turn your already bad Monday into something even worse.
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Dave
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