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Class-Action Suit Claims Copyright Enforcement Company Made Harassing Robo-calls

An anonymous reader writes Morgan Pietz, one of the lawyers who took on Prenda Law, has a new target in his sights: copyright enforcement company Rightscorp. In a class action suit (PDF) Pietz claims the company made illegal, harassing robo-calls to people who were accused of illegal downloading and by doing so Rightscorp broke the Telephone Consumer Protection Act, which limits how automated calling devices can be used. "They robo-called Jeanie Reif's cell phone darn near every day for a couple of months," Pietz said. "And there could be thousands of members of this class."

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  1. DO NOT HANG UP!! by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Can we also sue the Business Software Alliance?

    1. Re:DO NOT HANG UP!! by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      dont copy that floppy!!!!

      ....whats a floppy??!?!!!

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    2. Re:DO NOT HANG UP!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My dick before your mom starts fluffing it.

      and during, and after

  2. If the FCC actually did its job by Rigel47 · · Score: 2

    and weren't a complete waste of taxpayer money these robo calls would never happen. I have for YEARS been getting the same pre-recorded message call to my cell phone promising me to lower my credit card payment. Searching the internet shows hundreds of folks complaining about the same -- down to the very spoofed caller ID number. I've filed numerous complaints online at the FTC and yet fuck all happens.

    1. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by fleebait · · Score: 1

      It sounds like a really, really good place to put the massive NSA data collection to some good useful purpose for the citizens.

      There might be some justification, after all, if we can get rid of the robocallers.

    2. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Well, there's several reasons for that ...

      1) Lobbyists for the people who claim to be "legitimate" telemarketers had provisions in the law gutted so they could continue to call us even if we didn't want them to.

      2) Since it's so trivial to spoof caller ID (in part for these exact same companies), knowing who is actually calling is almost impossible

      3) Many of those callers are calling from another country entirely (again, because those companies who lobbied for exemptions wanted to use offshore call centers) ... so what is the FCC going to do?

      You have a toothless legislation, designed to give loopholes to telemarketers and politicians (and who knows what else), which has been set up to allow 3rd party contractors to call on your behalf and spoof the caller ID, and people in another country who are doing the calling.

      Many of us believe the people doing the fraudulent calls are the exact same offshore call centers used by the "legitimate" organizations.

      The law was so crippled to protect commercial interests there's really nothing to enforce.

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    3. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The biggest problem with these situations is that the FCC doesn't have much control over the bulk of these callers now that the companies have learned how to game the system. Telemarketers targeting the US will have their operations calling from Canada or elsewhere, and in Canada they'll be calling from the US or elsewhere.

      It's kinda similar to how governments who are bound by law to not perform certain forms of espionage will hire it out to another nation to perform.

      Not saying this excuses it, it's just the situation that has arisen from the legislation.

    4. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do not complain on the internet about a problem that is so easily solved by violence.

      You don't need "caller ID" to find out who they are. They sell a product - so deal with whoever wants to get paid. That is always disclosed in a telemarketing call. It doesn't really matter if the seller and the telemarketer are different companies - destroy one and the other looses the income - and there will be less telemarketing.

    5. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but if you somehow could get these Telemarketers / robocallers painted with the same brush as "Terrorists" or "Drug Dealers", you'd have the might of the NSA's resources coming into use to track down these low-lifes and sending them to Gitmo.

    6. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by Bengie · · Score: 1

      I had this once, complained to the police department, they put a trace on my phone line and found who was calling me. I never found out who, but I stopped getting calls.

    7. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Telemarketers targeting the US will have their operations calling from Canada or elsewhere, and in Canada they'll be calling from the US or elsewhere.

      What we need is a law prohibiting telemarketing from an overseas operation to be passed in both countries, and a cooperative agreement to enforce the other country's law locally.

      And a regulation that companies which provide termination for overseas calls either refuse any call, or ensure through their contractual agreements and technology on their network that caller id will always be present and reflects a valid telephone number for the actual country of origin unique and persistent to the calling party.

    8. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have obviously not received these calls. Any attempt to get a name or address causes the caller to just hang up. These numbers are generically registered to Level3 which means a john doe lawsuit needs to be filed.

      I did actually feign my way to the very end once and involved my toll free number and credit card (faked a bank to get past the cc verification). When you make it past the first and second tier of callcenter monkies, the third tier is actually the people who have the power to do anything. I told them flat out I wanted to be removed form the list. The lady thought I was crazy that I would spend 2 hours to reach her just to ask to be removed. I told her I am sick of the calls since I am not in debt. They called one more time a few days later, after they realized who I was they hung up on me and I have never had a call from them again.

      I want to consider this a victory but since then 2 more telemarketers have taken their place. What kind of hydra bullshit is this??

    9. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I want to consider this a victory but since then 2 more telemarketers have taken their place. What kind of hydra bullshit is this??

      Hey, don't blame Hydra. Sure, they are a ruthless, evil organization dedicated to world domination but even they have standards!

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    10. Re: If the FCC actually did its job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only caller id could... I don't know... identify the caller?

    11. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you're at it, please end hunger in the world and cure all diseases.

    12. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The FCC is doing its job. Have you forgotten who they work for?

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    13. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Already mentioned in another post, but yes, as it stands getting removed from a list here and there successfully is a waste of time and energy. Not even whack-a-mole, more like "tap a mole on the head with a rolled up newspaper, and he's wearing a hard hat anyway, and ten of his friends are invisible."
      Load a phone app that uses a whitelist, not even a blacklist, or use a free service like Nomorobo to automatically answer and hang up on the junk calls, while logging them and providing the data to the FCC who might, some day, do something useful with it (if we're lucky).

    14. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      You seem to be suggesting a solution in which someone will both cooperatively pass laws spanning multiple nations, and which could be construed as limiting the "free speech" and commercial activities of corporations.

      I predict the chance of that happening to be practically non-existent.

      Someone with deep pockets will claim that preventing a commercial entity from cold calling you is unfair. And they'll throw a lot of money at this to ensure those laws are watered down so far as to be useless.

      Just like the last time.

      Those laws are ineffective because people paid to make them that way.

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    15. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And a regulation that companies which provide termination for overseas calls either refuse any call, or ensure through their contractual agreements and technology on their network that caller id will always be present and reflects a valid telephone number for the actual country of origin unique and persistent to the calling party."

      That alone would be sufficient, *if* it could be enforced. Of course, if that were the case, don't limit it to international calls, just require every call to be traceable back to an owner (the person paying for the service).

      What? You say you want privacy, and you want to be able to buy a pre-paid phone and use it without having to provide a credit card and/or your social security number and physical address and blood type and any underlying health conditions?! Funny how quick opinions can change...

    16. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My solution: I have a robocall from Penn credit every day. I have cheap VoIP phone and I use Caller ID filtering. The phone number is routed to "service disconnected" message. When I check my call records it is so much fun to see they are still calling.

    17. Re: If the FCC actually did its job by beltsbear · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Caller ID should not be allowed to be spoofed, ever. Make it really illegal and start to crack down on any provider that allows it to happen.

    18. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Then repeal the law and give it teeth. No exclusions for charities or politicians. if you don't want a call, you don't get a call, period. If a complaint is filed, the call will be traced back to find out who paid for it at the expense of the offending organization. Make a fine of $5,000 half of which is payable to the consumer.

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    19. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Well, sure, an individual is entitled to privacy. A corporation is not. As an individual and and owner of several businesses I don't have problems with that.
      If individuals are allowed to withhold caller ID, I should also be allowed to silently refuse calls from such people as well.

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    20. Re: If the FCC actually did its job by Redbehrend · · Score: 1

      They need to cracked down on tele providers they are the ones that allow spoofing. In voip setup they even let you and show you how to assign any name and number.... Like it's a feature...

    21. Re: If the FCC actually did its job by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      > Exactly. Caller ID should not be allowed to be spoofed, ever. Make it
      > really illegal and start to crack down on any provider that allows it to happen.

      Caller ID is too simple. You really need to use ANI (Automatic Number Identification), which is a much more robust protocol. It is accurate because it's used for billing on telephone landlines. Only problem is that it costs money, and I don't know if you can get it on a residential account. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

      Note that I said it's used for telephone landlines. It can be defeated by using an outbound-only VOIP line.

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    22. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by mysidia · · Score: 1

      You seem to be suggesting a solution in which someone will both cooperatively pass laws spanning multiple nations,

      Actually.. I guess I would rather not. Another alternative that would not require it would be to require providers impose a $1 to $5 per call termination fee for any oversea telemarketing call, regardless of whether a product successfully sold or not, and at least 25% of any extra fee collected needs to be paid to the person who was called.

      I would like to add a "Telemarketing call reporting" function, where the person who receives the call will enter a code such as "#", during the call, then if the other parties disconnects the call within 5 seconds, or the person presses "#" two more times; the call will automatically be reported as a telemarketing call requiring charging for the service.

      In this case, no extra international cooperation is required, since the person making the call terminates the call in the country they are calling, they are automatically subject to any and all fees which may be imposed for the call, and, there are already laws that will cause the originating telecom provider to pay for any and all fees that are due and not paid by the caller.

    23. Re:If the FCC actually did its job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simpler than that.

      How about: charge a fee per call?

  3. bennett haselton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    Read on below for the rest what Bennett has to say.

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    disagree with you. What you call opinion, is in reality just ideology you imitate from others. You don't form your opinions, you don't have them.

    Every time Bennett writes a new story on Sladshdot, I take a free day and spend it reading the story

  4. Copyright is turning into religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Copyright seems to be turning into a religion for those who "believe" in it. This sort of fervent love for something, to the point where you call every damn day, is only typically found in religion, and even then, only in the more extreme sects.

    I guess it makes sense. Both are believing in the unprovable. One believes in a supreme being (usually) that is mystically omnipresent but we are complete oblivious to it, the other believes in the mythical being of "lost profits" and that they are mystically unwavering in their regeneration and ability to be had if the evil do-no-gooders would be hanged.

    1. Re:Copyright is turning into religion by MrMickS · · Score: 1

      Is this posted AC to avoid bringing down the wrath of the copyright god, or just because you're trolling?

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    2. Re:Copyright is turning into religion by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      why not both?

    3. Re:Copyright is turning into religion by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      In a class action lawsuit (PDF) filed on Friday, Pietz says the copyright enforcement company made illegal, harassing robo-calls to his clients, who were accused of illegal downloading. The lawsuit says that Rightscorp broke the Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA), a 1991 law which limits how automated calling devices can be used.

      I think the key phrase is "were accused of illegal downloading." If the robo-call can prove that they are right on whatever they accuse, the case will be thrown away due to the Clean hand doctrine... The lawyer (Pietz) is relying on and hoping that the point can't be proven...

    4. Re:Copyright is turning into religion by ruir · · Score: 1

      You are not very far from the truth. Religions and copyright issues are about power and control from global corporations on establishing a worldwide feudalism culture

    5. Re:Copyright is turning into religion by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      I think the key phrase is "were accused of illegal downloading." If the robo-call can prove that they are right on whatever they accuse, the case will be thrown away due to the Clean hand doctrine... The lawyer (Pietz) is relying on and hoping that the point can't be proven...

      No, the lawyer (Pietz) is relying on the fact that he is a trained lawyer and you are not.

      The Clean-hands doctrine is something that a court might use if a party were requesting an equitable remedy. That means, in legal matters, that a party is seeking specific performance of an agreement, an injunction, payment of the value of services rendered when there was no specific contract with an agreed price, etc.

      The clean-hands doctrine does not allow the court to deny rights and legal remedies -- like the remedy in 47 U.S.C. 227(b)(3) of $500 for each violation -- that are specified by statute enacted by the government.

      If you think that simply because the other guy has "dirty hands" the only thing you need to worry about is whether a government agency decides that you've crossed a line, you are sorely mistaken. Your lawyer will eventually explain that to you. You will not like it.

  5. Does rights-corp have anything to take? by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

    These places tend to be asset-less companies that do not care about being sued, they simply form another shell and fold.

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    1. Re:Does rights-corp have anything to take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hence the problem with LLC's, it protects crooks.

    2. Re:Does rights-corp have anything to take? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      These places tend to be asset-less companies that do not care about being sued, they simply form another shell and fold.

      Per TFA, the lawsuit also has 10 John Doe defendants and they intend to go after the copyright holders Rightscorp represents. Given their deep pockets, if the lawsuit successfully includes them then who has what assets is moot since they all are on hook for the judgement so if one can't pay the other must.

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    3. Re:Does rights-corp have anything to take? by Bengie · · Score: 1

      In this case, they were a company that has public stock and got investment funding with the promise of monetary returns. The investors are not happy.

    4. Re: Does rights-corp have anything to take? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why, instead of suing, you go all ISIS on them: kidnap, torture, behead.

    5. Re:Does rights-corp have anything to take? by maz2331 · · Score: 1

      That's why the suit also names their clients, who are also ultimately responsible for the actions of their "agent". Those are deep-pocket record companies who DO have assets, and lots of them.

    6. Re:Does rights-corp have anything to take? by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      That is a HUGE if.

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  6. Prosecute the f**Kers!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When people associated with the music and film industry break the law, the cops need to get off their asses and do their f**king jobs.

    When /.ers break the law... well, everyone here agrees it shouldn't have been a law in the first place so that doesn't count. Aren't there any rapes, murders that need to be investigated?

  7. Answering machines? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    If only we had robotic defenses against robotic phone call attacks...

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    1. Re:Answering machines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My answering machine message starts with the telco line disconnected tones, then a normal message. It works for the older auto-dial telemarketers but not the newer ones. When it works the number is removed from the database.

    2. Re:Answering machines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a defence actually. Write down their spiel, then register it at the copyright office in your name as a Country and Western song or something. Then you can file all kinds of copyright lawsuits against them.

    3. Re:Answering machines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Answering machines? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I like Google Voice for this reason. If I mark a caller as "spam", they get a message saying "This number has been disconnected." My phones don't even ring. I think Google even auto-marks numbers as spam if enough people do so. (Similar to how, if enough people mark an e-mail as spam, all further instances of that e-mail will be marked as spam.)

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    5. Re:Answering machines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like my T-lock call blocker? Add number to black list, and it'll disconnect subsequent calls from that number.

      (I'd give you an Amazon URL, but I haven't figured out how to make that happen.)

    6. Re:Answering machines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are dedicated, free services that do that on a large scale; essentially blocking ALL robocalls by answering them via simultaneous right, and immediately hanging up on them (but excluding things like prescription reminders, school notifications, and reverse 911 that really shouldn't get blocked).
      The thing that ticks me off is having to go check the caller ID or listen to voice messages just to see if it was anything I actually care about. With a service like the above I don't have to maintain a list of numbers to block, and if the phone only rings once and then stops I know it was just spam and I don't need to even bother checking.

    7. Re:Answering machines? by Technician · · Score: 1

      The worst debt collection practice I was hammered with, called, didn't state for who they were,, did not leave any options to complete the call from them, but only gave a call back number for Jeromy to call Bob. I'm not Jeremy, so I let it run for a couple of months to see if it would quit. It didn't. Collectors continued to call even after my new number was not so new at 8 years.

      I pity anyone who does not speak English as they wouldn't understand the message, there was no option to respond to the call, such as press any key, and it would continue until you did call in. They only quit after I called and didn't ask for Bob, but asked for their legal department. I think I shook them up a bit. Anyway the calls quit from them.

      I asked for the legal department. I then told them they can not legally disclose any debt info to third parties. Then told them of the issue with the robocall. I gave them the number they robocalled and the times. They feigned ignorance and stated it must have been forwarded to my number from another number. I then asked for the number they were using to call Jeremy and gave time stamps. They then claimed they could not release Jeremy's contact info to 3rd parties. LOL.. Nice snow job. Anyway the calls quit with threat of $50 for each additional call per the telemarketing and fair collection practices laws.

      A Google search of the number revealed the law firm in Chicago IL, their address, office phone numbers, staff names, etc. Nobody there is named Bob or Robert.

      Jeromy Taylor, Please update your contact info with your creditors. I'm tired of taking your calls.

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    8. Re:Answering machines? by bswarm · · Score: 1

      I had this happen. Google the number, find an email address, send them an email that you are getting these calls but you are not the intended recipient and you do not know the person, and to stop the calls or legal action will be taken. Never got another call.

    9. Re:Answering machines? by sabbede · · Score: 1

      I just report them to the FTC. My number is on the Do Not Call list.

  8. Citation by ProzacPatient · · Score: 2

    Very rarely do news articles saying "X is against the law" ever actually cite the law in question. The applicable law in this case, if I understand correctly, is 47 U.S.C. 227.

    1. Re:Citation by Bengie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Based on another site, the issue seems to be that this company is claiming to be able to call under the pretenses that they are a debt collector trying to collect the "debt" of paying for infringements or face a lawsuit. The problem seems to be that because this is a civil issue, there cannot be a "Debt" until they win a lawsuit. They put the carriage before the horse. They can sue, then attempt to collect debt, but not the other way around. Because there is no official debt, they are not allowed to robo call.

    2. Re:Citation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on another site, the issue seems to be that this company is claiming to be able to call under the pretenses that they are a debt collector trying to collect the "debt" of paying for infringements or face a lawsuit.

      They would be fools to claim such, especially before a judge. Collection agencies have laws governing their actions (such as the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act mentioned in TFA - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Debt_Collection_Practices_Act). Of particular interest is the "Prohibited conduct" section. Telephone harassment being mentioned several times.

      They put the carriage before the horse.

      No, they are performing a classic criminal act called extortion. They cannot threaten arrest or other legal actions against you if you don't pay them. They can certainly take you to court, but they can't say "pay us $20 now and admit guilt or we'll sue you for $100,000 later". Since this is essentially the same scam repackaged, one wonders if John Steele (Prenda Law) and Robert Steele (Rightscorp) are an alias for the same person.

  9. Harassment and cell phones... by ruir · · Score: 1

    Last time someone harassed me calling every day, after a week, I changed the damn number. Problem solved.

    1. Re:Harassment and cell phones... by Technician · · Score: 1

      And I got issued your number. Your bill collector still calls on occasion Mr Taylor. Pay your bill!

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    2. Re:Harassment and cell phones... by ruir · · Score: 1

      Nobody said it was a bill collector. Someone else wont get your new number. Plus, you can ask the new number in someone else name.

  10. Nomorobo actually works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I finally got sick of robocalls at election time, being in a swing state, the phone rang basically non-stop from about 9am to 8:59pm (at least they didn't call after 9, for the most part). I discovered that my provider is compatible with nomorobo and gave it a try. I wasn't expecting much because we got numerous spammy robocalls even before the major increase added by all the political calls, but it actually seems to be working. Very few if any robocalls ring more than once now and I haven't noticed any false positives so far either.
    Unfortunately it still won't work with many traditional voice services, but is compatible with most VoIP providers and they seem to be adding more over time.

    Blocking individual numbers is fine and all, but these idiots call from seemingly random numbers, and a few times had our own phone number show up on caller ID (come on, how stupid do they think I am?). Having the phone still ring once is not perfect, but a service that aggregates all the data, automatically determines which calls are robocalls, and blocks them was long overdue so I'll take what I can get, and if enough people use it maybe the morons will eventually get the hint and stop their stupid scams when their illegal profits dry up.

  11. Until... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You find that the new number you get is one previously discarded by someone else for the same reason (and you're also probably shafting the person who eventually gets your old number assigned to them). It's also a pain in the ass to update your contact info in 30 different places.
    A better answer is to block the calls. The best I've found so far is Nomorobo, but it doesn't work with all providers. If that hadn't worked, my next plan was going to be to port my number to Google voice and screen there, but I wasn't really thrilled about that option.
    I guess there are also some hardware devices that let you block as many numbers as you want, but that seems kind of like a band-aid since many of these jerks call from a variety of numbers, sometimes spoofing the numbers of legitimate companies who they aren't related to in any way. A free service like Nomorobo seems like a step closer to the right direction (until the telcos/voip providers/fcc pull their heads out).

    1. Re:Until... by ruir · · Score: 1

      Blocking numbers? Good luck. It is trivial to call as anonymous. You can opt for not answering, but it still rings.

    2. Re:Until... by ruir · · Score: 1

      ha, and I forgot. Here it is mandatory to wait 2 years until a disposed number is given to someone else. Granted, they do not always honour that law.

    3. Re:Until... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the entire point of nomorobo (and one or two other services, or using a phone app if mobile). It blocks basically all robocalls based on calling patterns, known spammers, political calls, etc. For calls specifically targeted at just you, the provider should be able to blanket-block ALL anonymous calls without ringing, and for the non-anonymous ones you can add those numbers to block specifically, either using the service or your provider. You might get one ring in order for it to verify the caller ID (depending how the particular service works), but there's no need to check it unless it continues to ring. The pick up, "not in service," then hang up, also causes most callers to get the hint fairly quickly.

  12. You people still don't get it. by Jawnn · · Score: 1

    Regulations, like the Telephone Consumer Protection Act, are for little people. This is about corporate profit and we will decide which regulations we will observe and which we will ignore. And if you don't like it, by your own legislators and regulators.

    Regards,
    Your Friends at RIAA/MPAA

  13. Redundancy by Livius · · Score: 1

    "...harassing robo-calls..."

    Also known as 'robo-calls'.

  14. Good! by sabbede · · Score: 1
    I got a number of harassing calls from them. All for the US Serviceman who previously had my phone number.

    Time and time again I explained to them that I wasn't the person they were looking for. Then I'd launch into a tirade about their business practices - which I'm glad to see they have been called on.