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Jackie Chan Discs Help Boost Solar Panel Efficiency

wbr1 writes Apparently the pit pattern on a blu-ray disk is great at helping trap photons, rather than reflecting them. Applying this pattern to the glass in a solar panel can boost efficiency by 22%. Researchers at Northwestern tested this system with Jackie Chan discs. From the article: "To increase the efficiency of a solar panel by 22%, the researchers at Northwestern bought a copy of Police Story 3: Supercop on Blu-ray; removed the top plastic layer, exposing the recording medium beneath; cast a mold of the quasi-random pattern; and then used the mold to create a photovoltaic cell with the same pattern....The end result is a solar panel that has a quantum efficiency of around 40% — up about 22% from the non-patterned solar panel."

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  1. Copyright? by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cue copyright infringement suit in 3..2..1...

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    1. Re:Copyright? by Frnknstn · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dunno about the solar efficiency, but it sure does make the picture quality better. And it makes my CDs sound so much warmer!

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    2. Re:Copyright? by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know... I can replace the batteries in my $5 calculator every year, or I can have a solar cell in my $5 calculator and never replace the batteries, because there aren't any. That's just one practical application where they're quite economical; there are many others, but I'm not up to the task of wasting my time doing your research for you, so you can seek them out yourself if you're interested.

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    3. Re:Copyright? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Yea, at this rate of efficiency gains it'll only be ANOTHER 30 years until they're economical.

      You are a troll, yes? You know that thin film PV panels pay back the energy cost of their production in three years? And that even though PV solar is the least energy-efficient, it's profitable right now? You must be a troll, there can't be anybody out there who doesn't know this stuff.

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    4. Re:Copyright? by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Dunno about the solar efficiency, but it sure does make the picture quality better. And it makes my CDs sound so much warmer!

      But thats only if you use a Monster power cable.

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    5. Re:Copyright? by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      why, your average accountant might care... they're touch-typing their work into their adding machine (or cheap $5 calculator, if that's what's available at their client's office during an audit or consultation), without looking, which is something you just can't do on a phone...

      It's impossible to research the infinite number of strawmen, which is why people like you rely on them so strongly.

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  2. old joke is old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Imagine what it could be with a Chuck Norris movie!!!

    1. Re:old joke is old by meglon · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know why there's not a Bruce Lee meme like there is for Chuck Norris? Bruce Lee isn't a joke.

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    2. Re:old joke is old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Charles Nelson Reilly have Chuck Norris' head mounted on a wall.

      Chuck Norris has Chuck Norris' head mounted on his shoulders.

  3. Re:when dirty? by blackomegax · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The data density in bluray means that the pits are far, far, far, far too small for dirt to get stuck in, or on. Think of it like placing a pebble on a beach. There are pits between sand grains but the size disparity means it acts like a flat surface for most intents and purposes.

  4. BLUE ray by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The pits on a blu ray disc are optimized for reading with a blue laser. Sun's output have more energy at the other end (red spectrum). I'm thinking they might get even better efficiency if they tried a disc pitting pattern that was meant for reading with a red laser.

    1. Re:BLUE ray by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now that they have a proof of concept, it is an obvious thing for researchers to try different pit sizes and patterns in order to optimize the efficiency

      Actually, that already happened. As the abstract of the paper notes, previous research has already identified how to theoretically optimize patterns, but arbitrary patterns require expensive photo lithography equipment to create. This research shows that an existing inexpensive mass production technique generates results that are almost as good as the optimized patterns, but not quite as good because the spacing of the pits is a bit too periodic (especially across tracks rather than along them).

    2. Re:BLUE ray by kf6auf · · Score: 2

      I expect that the reason the efficiency is increased is precisely because the pits are narrower than the wavelength of the light, making it less likely to be reflected and more likely to be absorbed. (You can view this classically as the index of refraction changing gradually.) If you use a pit size greater than the wavelength of the light, you'll end up with each photon either hitting the bottom of the pit or next to the pit, and the pit will have no effect.

    3. Re:BLUE ray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      removed the top plastic layer, exposing the recording medium beneath; cast a mold of the quasi-random pattern; and then used the mold to create a photovoltaic cell with the same pattern

      So you use your expensive photo lithography equipment to create a master, make as many molds from that as you like, and then create the photovoltaic cells from those. The mass production of BD-ROM discs is irrelevant, it just makes your master cheap, but when you're making 10,000s of cells the cost of the master is unimportant.

    4. Re:BLUE ray by jasonmantey · · Score: 2

      In the paper they show the enhancement of quantum efficiency by wavelength. It's pretty uniform (+10-20%) throughout the 350nm (blue) to 700nm (red) range - and is really enhanced at longer wavelengths (>100%, but there isn't as much energy to be harvested here, so not as exciting as it sounds)

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    5. Re:BLUE ray by pavon · · Score: 2

      If you look at the absorption and efficiency plots in the linked nature abstract, the improvement is pretty broad spectrum as it is. Based on the Fourier analysis plots, it does seem like a slightly wider pit spacing would better concentrate the energy in their desired sweet spot, but CDs and DVDs would be too wide. HD-DVD actually looks like it might have the most ideal pit spacings.

    6. Re:BLUE ray by lgw · · Score: 4, Funny

      Replacing your roof with solar panels will always be an overhead cost!

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  5. Re:when dirty? by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The data density in bluray means that the pits are far, far, far, far too small for dirt to get stuck in, or on. Think of it like placing a pebble on a beach. There are pits between sand grains but the size disparity means it acts like a flat surface for most intents and purposes.

    Not only this, but presumably the pits can be under the glass, just as they are under polycarbonate on a disc. Then the pits are not exposed to dir, and a normal washing will remove surface dust, bird poop, etc.

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  6. The First Attempt by MarkRose · · Score: 5, Funny

    I heard the first attempt was with Chuck Norris discs, but they burnt holes through the panels.

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  7. Just maybe..... by meglon · · Score: 2

    Maybe this means there will finally be a use for that Green Lantern movie dvd.

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  8. Electricity vs. oil by crow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Electricity and oil are both energy. You can substitute one for the other, though obviously there's advantages for certain forms in certain uses.

    For home heating, oil, natural gas, and electricity are all viable depending on the cost. Right now gas is the cheapest and electricity is, in most places, the most expensive. It would take a lot of progress to get electricity to be the most economic solution for heating.

    For aircraft, the weight of batteries rules them out.

    For cars, Tesla is proving that electricity is an option. I know that we just signed a contract for solar panels on our house to produce more than we currently use on the assumption that we'll need the extra production to power our next car.

    1. Re:Electricity vs. oil by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      Well technically, does is really matter?

  9. Re:Mass produce! by spiritplumber · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've had a solar bike for about six months, and it works fine for my needs (mostly grocery shopping and laundry). Now that it's winter, I have to occasionally charge it. It cost about $350 to put together.

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  10. Real world testing? by Dereck1701 · · Score: 2

    I wonder if they did any real world testing, as in a static solar panel and a complete day average. Somehow I would imagine these would make the solar panels great, during a narrow window of the day where the sun is directly overhead. I can't shake the feeling however that this kind of patterning would have a detrimental effect on indirect exposure. Not that it is a major issue, sun tracking systems are becoming more prevalent, but it may be an issue.

  11. Re:Mass produce! by spiritplumber · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's the picture: http://f3.to/quickgal/14049339...

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  12. Re:Mass produce! by jdschulteis · · Score: 2

    Solar panels = Small percentage of power production Small percentage * 1.22 = Small percentage, just a shade higher.

    Its not a game changer. Its just a nice development.

    Efficiency improvements, mass production, and making coal internalize the cost of CO2 emissions will eventually make photovoltaics more cost-effective than coal. Once that point is reached, solar will take over a large percentage of electricity production. This might not be the improvement that puts it over the top, but I think your dismissive analysis is a little too simplistic.

  13. Room for further research.... by pollarda · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they can do this with SuperCop, just imagine what sort of efficencies they could get by using an AC/DC album! Also by using AC/DC as the base pattern it might allow them to create native AC and skip the use of a DC->AC power inverter.

    1. Re:Room for further research.... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      If they can do this with SuperCop, just imagine what sort of efficencies they could get by using an AC/DC album! Also by using AC/DC as the base pattern it might allow them to create native AC and skip the use of a DC->AC power inverter.

      You better be careful of which album you try. "High Voltage" and "Powerage" will probably get you the best results. "Back in Black", may just give you the opposite outcome you're looking for. And good luck if you use "T.N.T", "Highway to Hell", or "Ball Breaker". It might be safer to stick with a U2 or even an Enya album.

    2. Re:Room for further research.... by mjwx · · Score: 5, Funny

      If they can do this with SuperCop, just imagine what sort of efficencies they could get by using an AC/DC album! Also by using AC/DC as the base pattern it might allow them to create native AC and skip the use of a DC->AC power inverter.

      AC/DC is bad, the last thing you want is for your solar panels to be... THUNDERSTRUCK.

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    3. Re:Room for further research.... by yanyan · · Score: 2

      That's ok because their panels deliver... HIGH VOLTAGE.

  14. Competitive within 30 years? Try 2. by Rujiel · · Score: 2
  15. Oh no, you di'nt go there... compulsion... by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

    Costs are often through the roof with these technologies; mounting complexities and steep installation costs result in flash peak expenses that only gutter out after years of trussing up the math in spreadsheets. Tiling the cells can shake out some additional margin, but just the thought of it gives me shingles.

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  16. Re:Because it's Jackie Chan by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

    What's kind of funny is that the meme invokes Chuck Norris, a complete hack of a martial artist who came to fame in a time when crude technique was the general order of the day (Bruce Lee notably excepted.) Then you invoke Jackie Chan here, who is really pretty good; but you also disrespect Jet Li, who is nothing short of an awesome martial artist. 1-2-3 in skill inverted to 3-2-1 in offered kudos. All I can conclude is that the public has a very weird perception of martial artists.

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  17. Re:Because it's Jackie Chan by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    There is no way a Jet Li disc could accomplish this.

    A Jet Li disc would not only accomplish this, but it would do it after it said it wouldn't.

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  18. Further on Li, Chan, Norris, etc. by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry, didn't quite mean to submit there.

    TKD is a very specialized sport art. Very limited engagement rules and a complete lack of tools for dealing with anything but an upright, sparring style opponent relegate it to at best a functional niche limited to kicking (which any well rounded martial artist can convert into a different engagement, ground for instance) in the course of which instantly defanging most of the TKD stylists tools. TL;DR, TKD is more of a sport than a martial art. I should know; I'm dan-ranked in it within the context of the Korean taekwondo jidokwan, one of the earlier kwans that preceded the establishment of the WTF and ITF collaboration / standardizations.

    Chan's martial arts background spans several styles (Shaolin gongfu, taekwondo, and hapkido), and consequently is broadly based with ground, standup, upright grappling, locking, striking, blocking, kicking, footwork and defensive components. He is by *any* sane measure a much more well rounded martial artist than Norris (and if you just admire kicking skill, I'm surprised you didn't bring up Bill "superfoot" Wallace.)

    Li started training at age 8. He won his first national championship at age 11 -- remember we're talking about China here -- he traveled to more than 45 countries as a member of the Beijing wushu team. He held the title of All-Around National Wushu Champion from 1974 to 1979. He trained in internal and external styles, as well as the (then) required shíba ban bingqi (eighteen arms or weapons.)

    (Please excuse the mangled pinyin; I don't use pinyin much, preferring actual hanzi, and traditional hanzi at that. (hanja for you TKD folks.) But slashdot doesn't support them (why? some geek site, lol)

    Further, he practices wushu, which looks cool but is not a very effective martial art.

    Wushu means "martial art." It doesn't tell you squat about martial art effectiveness, other than that the practitioner, like a "martial artist" in the US, practices some martial art or arts. You should have a look right here so next time you use the term wushu in the context of a Chinese martial artist, you actually know what you're saying. Although, technically speaking, just like gongfu (doesn't really mean martial art at all), the term carries implications you might not initially grasp; for instance, to a Chinese, a Korean TKD master is both a gongfu and a wushu master, plain and simple. Which again demonstrates that wushu doesn't mean anything even close to what you thought it meant.

    However, your previous statement is worse in that it amounts to a blanket dismissal of all of China's martial arts, which is nothing short of ludicrous. Combined with your bewilderment of both Chan and Li's training backgrounds, your credibility is somewhere south of zero on this matter.

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