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New Analysis Pushes Back Possible Origin For Antikythera Mechanism

We've mentioned several times over the years the Antikythera Mechanism, the astounding early analog computer recovered from a Greek shipwreck in shape good enough to allow modern recreations. The device has been attributed to different Greek mathemeticians and thinkers, such as Archimedes, Hipparchus, and Posidonius, but as reader puddingebola writes, "Current research suggests its origin may be much earlier, and its working based on Babylonian arithmetical methods rather than Greek Trigonometry, which did not exist at the time. Puddingebola excerpts from the NYT article: Writing this month in the journal Archive for History of Exact Sciences, Dr. Carman and Dr. Evans took a different tack. Starting with the ways the device's eclipse patterns fit Babylonian eclipse records, the two scientists used a process of elimination to reach a conclusion that the "epoch date," or starting point, of the Antikythera Mechanism's calendar was 50 years to a century earlier than had been generally believed.

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  1. A lesson about History- and the liar narrative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    If this device hadn't been found, anyone and I mean ANYONE who dared to suggest that such technology existed in this time-frame would be described, ESPECIALLY on forums like this one, as a complete 'anti-scientific' 'nutter'. And 'learned experts' would be falling over themselves to explain to the betas why such a claim was absolute nonsense.

    What we know about the past is shockingly limited, and controlled almost entirely by LIAR NARRATIVES- stories crafted by the servants of elites (from various eras) promoting an acceptable view to the sheeple. Here's a test for you betas to prove the point. Slavery- actually American style Human slavery, was wide-spread in America's favourite Middle East nation, Saudi Arabia, in 1961 (yes, you read that date correctly- 1961). The Saudis had a taste for rape slaves dating back many many centuries, and had enslaved literally MILLIONS of African females across the years up to 1961.

    What's my point? Find a first hand narrative from a Saudi slave (owned for the purpose of 'legally' raping her by her 'master'). You won't find one. Tens of thousands of rape slaves were 'liberated' when Saudi Arabia finally abolished slavery in 1962, but 'ordinary' people leave almost no impact on historic records, even when their lives are this extraordinary. America's vastly powerful allies, the House of Saud, don't wish for any such record to exist, so it doesn't. The LIAR NARRATIVE, as found in many Saudi/US sponsored Wikipedia articles, is that 20th century slavery in Saudi Arabia was just a 'fiction'.

    The most famous Saudi citizen in the USA is Bandar 'Bush'- so named because of his closeness to the family of two recent US presidents. Bandar 'Bush's mother was a rape slave- purchased for the purpose of being his father's sex toy.

    Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING officially written about Human Society in the 'official' historical narratives denies the possibility of the Antikythera Mechanism- the mechanism effectively exists in a parallel reality where those that know of it accept its significance, but move out of the light of this truth, and the LIAR NARRATIVE reasserts itself when sheeple are given any description of the period involved.

    Those that control the sheeple INVENT History- in the same way as they INVENT current 'concerns' (like the oncoming 'ice age' that became 'peak oil' that became 'global warming'). The sheeple always love a good 'horror story' about the imminent future, and also to be told that their ancestors were complete duffers compared to themselves.

    We should remember that even 20,000 years ago, ordinary people were just the same as we are today. The impact of natural ALPHAS was somewhat different, though, because of the way knowledge was accumulated and disseminated. The Antikythera Mechanism proves that alphas were capable of great achievements while leaving ZERO written records that survive to this day. Maths and the consequence of maths, and its application to engineering , can safely be assumed to have existed at a VERY high level of sophistication THOUSANDS of years ago, amongst small teams of Humans. The people the LIAR NARRATIVE tells us were the smartest people in Ancient History are clearly NOTHING compared to the best nameless alphas that existed at the time.

    But you Betas should remember that 'making a name for yourself' always has more to do with natural self-promotion skills than any REAL talent. And millions of people can live in a city across its lifetime, but after that city ends we are lucky if even one or two made a written record of their experiences. Statistically, that means the written evidence that survives is as good as JUNK.

    The Antikythera Mechanism is a living example of what we do NOT and can never know about the real lives of the people from the time (due to lack of REAL surviving records of statistical significance). Our fictional projections based on various LIAR NARRATIVES are mostly about the agendas that caused the LIAR NARRATIVES to be written in the first place.