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Taxi Medallion Prices Plummet Under Pressure From Uber

HughPickens.com writes Most major American cities have long used a system to limit the number of operating taxicabs, typically a medallion system: Drivers must own or rent a medallion to operate a taxi, and the city issues a fixed number of them. Now Josh Barro reports at the NYT that in major cities throughout the United States, taxi medallion prices are tumbling as taxis face competition from car-service apps like Uber and Lyft. The average price of an individual New York City taxi medallion fell to $872,000 in October, down 17 percent from a peak reached in the spring of 2013, according to an analysis of sales data. "I'm already at peace with the idea that I'm going to go bankrupt," said Larry Ionescu, who owns 98 Chicago taxi medallions. As recently as April, Boston taxi medallions were selling for $700,000. The last sale, in October, was for $561,000. "Right now Uber has a strong presence here in Boston, and that's having a dramatic impact on the taxi industry and the medallion values," says Donna Blythe-Shaw, a spokeswoman for the Boston Taxi Drivers' Association. "We hear that there's a couple of medallion owners that have offered to sell at 425 and nobody's touched them."

The current structure of the American taxi industry began in New York City when "taxi medallions" were introduced in the 1930s. Taxis were extremely popular in the city, and the government realized they needed to make sure drivers weren't psychopaths luring victims into their cars. So, New York City required cabbies to apply for a taxi medallion license. Given the technology available in the 1930s, It was a reasonable solution to the taxi safety problem, and other cities soon followed suit. But their scarcity has made taxi medallions the best investment in America for years. Where they exist, taxi medallions have outperformed even the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index. In Chicago, their value has doubled since 2009. The medallion stakeholders are many and deep pockets run this market. The system in Chicago and elsewhere is dominated by large investors who rely on brokers to sell medallions, specialty banks to finance them and middle men to manage and lease them to drivers who own nothing at all. Together, they're fighting to protect an asset that was worth about $2.4 billion in Chicago last year. "The medallion owners seem to be of the opinion that they are entitled to indefinite appreciation of their asset," says Corey Owens, Uber's head of global public policy.. "The taxi medallion in the U.S. was the best investment you could have made in the last 30 years. Will it go up forever? No. And if they expected that it would, that was their mistake."

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  1. Why are medallions sold and not leased? by tepples · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why are medallions even sold as an asset, instead of leased from the city government? It just creates a vehicle for private rent-seeking and speculation. Some Slashdot users have tried to answer this in comments to earlier stories about Uber by treating a medallion as a share of the city's curbside "real estate". I can sort of see this, but why isn't it taxed like any other commercial real estate?

    1. Re:Why are medallions sold and not leased? by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps they are leased in some cities, but in NYC there are million dollar inheritance fights over who gets the medallion.

    2. Re:Why are medallions sold and not leased? by gunnnnslinger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And as they become ful time drivers, the service will become indestinguishable from a taxi service.

      Uber already IS indistinguishable from a taxi service, with the single exception that they don't pick up flags (which makes no difference all but large metro markets). Nearly ALL Uber drivers work 8-12 hour shifts in vehicles they bought (or lease from uber at usury rates, between 1k-2k a month) specifically to drive for Uber.

      Uber has succeeded in remaking the cab market and externalizing all equipment costs and liability to the drivers, all while actually even paying them (unbelievably) less than the chicken-scratch cab drivers already make, and all the while pretending they do something different than charge money for a ride somewhere. Many drivers are making 3-4 dollars an hour after vehicle maintenance, depreciation, taxes, water and snacks for passengers, and Uber's 20% and assorted fees.. The new standard on the 'Pay' on the Uber driver forums is drivers making less than the IRS per-mile exemption rate of 40 something cents a mile. And UberX is actually more expensive (at base rate, non-surge) than every single cab company in my town of 250k.

      I've driven cab (three years now) and for Uber (recently for a month), and I will never drive for Uber again. Aside from the fact that a single poor rating from a drunk moron that I refuse to let bring a sloshing open tallboy in my car can deactivate me, driving for UberX is working for free (and I wasn't even on the hook for a car payment or lease). Most people aren't figuring this out until after they drive for a few months and quit, but by then Uber has lured in a new crop of suckers with spammed craigslist ads promising '45-90k in your spare time'. I hope Uber does replace taxis and become the only show in town, just so I can watch all the fucking Uber evangelists start bitching about how Uber actually became MUCH WORSE (already happening) than the taxi companies they replaced.

      I'm sure I'll get flamed for writing this as a driver, but the simple fact of the matter is that Uber had a chance to make improvements over the current system for drivers and riders, and it colossally blew it by choosing to be absurdly greedy and shady. It temporarily improved service for riders in large medallion based markets, but has shown overall that they don't give a fuck about passengers or drivers, and I guarantee you, I ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE you, in 2-3 years, it will be far worse than what it replaces.

    3. Re:Why are medallions sold and not leased? by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hold on. Why 'no criminal record'? Does that include ALL crimes? What happened to 'hes paid his debt to society'?

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  2. Re:Why no taxi company's app? by Nemyst · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This. The taxi companies are all focused on the fact Uber and Lyft are working without regulations as if that was the reason for their success. Yes, having lower prices most certainly makes them more attractive, but that's not all of it. Getting a taxi is a terrible experience. If you're lucky, you can hail one, but if you need to call one up... Enjoy waiting for any amount of time between 30 seconds and an hour, the taxi never reaching you, you having no idea where they are, the taxi arriving as a tiny Yaris when you specifically asked for a large car because you have luggage, etc.

    One of the big deals about Uber for me is that their app and infrastructure makes the taxi companies look like pathetic dinosaurs. Calling a lift is easy, you can track their position in real time, if something goes wrong or if they're not responsive you can deal with that, you can pay through the app... It's just a much better user experience. Taxi companies probably never even heard of the term, and they're looking extremely stupid for it.

  3. Mod the parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    The parent comment shouldn't be modded down. It's 100% correct, even if some of the 'social justice warrior' types here don't like the truths it exposes.

    In most cities, taking a taxi is an absolutely awful experience. And it's not just the occasional bad experience. Every single experience is fucking awful!

    The drivers are one of the worst parts of these bad experience. The parent is right, they usually are third-world foreigners who often don't speak the native language well at all, and often don't even know the city they're driving in well!

    It's bad enough when locals have to deal with this, when they know where they want to go and how to get there. But it gets even worse when it's a traveler who may not know the city well, trying to communicate their destination to a recently-arrived third-worlder who also doesn't know the city well.

    And taxis usually are dirty and grimy. I think this has to do with the drivers in many cases, too. These third-worlders bring their native land's lack of cleanliness with them to the first-world. The insides of their taxis do look and smell like the slums of Mumbai, the shit-ridden streets of Lagos, or the rotting corpses of Baghdad.

    If all that weren't bad enough, the price is astronomical for what you get, assuming the taxi driver isn't screwing you over in some way. Why the hell would anyone want to pay $30 to travel a mile or two in third-world conditions? The parent is right, you're better off saving your money and walking. If you're taking more than two taxi trips in a given day, you really are better off renting a car. It's idiotic that it costs $30 for five minutes of their time, and a couple of miles of distance.

    The situation will never improve as long as the facts are suppressed because some people are worried that they might "offend" these third-world taxi drivers who provide shitty service.

    1. Re:Mod the parent up! by amxcoder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bull Crap! I don't taxi much, but I have on occassion when on vacation, and I don't think I've ever had a taxi ride under $15.

      Let's see, I took a cab from my house to SF once, a total of about 12 miles and the ride cost me about $90 (plus I had to pay for the bridge fare).

      I recently took a cab in the LA area from the Airport to a person's house only a couple miles away, and it was about $50 dollars. I was charged about $7 right off the top just for the fact that the ride started at the airport.

      I took another cab in Seattle this past year, from our hotel near the airport to the cruise terminal and the fee was about $80 at least.

      The closest I've come to getting charged what you said was in Las Vegas that was only a mile or two and it was $15. After finding out how short of drive it was, my wife and I walked back instead of catching the cab.

      Don't know where the heck your riding cabs for $10 (with the tip included), but in my little cab'ing experience, I've never found one. I think they'd charge you that much for driving to the end of the block. Most cabs I've seen charge you a couple bucks before leaving the curb and to start the meter.

  4. Re:Why no taxi company's app? by houghi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I understand the need for regulations. e.g. to be sure that the meters are checked and legit and that the cars are safe and the driver has a legitimate drivers licence.

    However that is not what the medailions are about anymore. What should have been done is get rid of the medailions and give out licences with a specific set of rules that is not limited by numbers.

    Safe car, medical test for the driver (e.g. eye sight), check on the meter, technical test of the car every X months, ...

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  5. Re: The lesson by gnupun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Uber cars can't be flagged down, I think that's the distinction they are relying on.

    That's the only difference, albeit just a technicality. Old-school taxis can be flagged down by waving your arm or calling their cell phone, whereas Uber taxis are flagged down by sending a "flag taxi" message over the Internet. I don't see much difference between the two, other than the internet flag down can be used to flag down a taxi at a much longer distance than can be done by waving your arm.

    Uber is still like a regular taxi: both are used for inter-city personal transport and the fares are similar. So why does uber get to go beyond the fixed taxi quota?

  6. Re:The lesson by nateman1352 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't invest in and artificially scarce commodity.

    You mean Bitcoin?

    I know I'm going to be modded down, but it had to be said.