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Finland Dumps Handwriting In Favor of Typing

mikejuk writes It seems incredible that in the 21st century schools are still teaching children to scratch marks on paper. Well in Finland they are taking a step in the direction of the future by giving up teaching handwriting. The Savon Sanomat newspaper reports that from autumn 2016 cursive handwriting will no longer be a compulsory part of the school curriculum. Instead the schools will teach keyboard skills and 'texting'. The idea of teaching proper keyboard skills to children is unquestionably a great idea, the idea of texting is a little more dubious and many will mourn the loss of a traditional skill like cursive writing. So what about a world where cursive writing is forgotten? What do you do when your computer is dead and you need to leave a note? The death of cursive script probably isn't the death of handwriting but the death of doing it quickly and with style. Some no doubt will want to master it just for the sake of it — like driving a stick shift. I know some U.S. schools have done the same; how proficient should kids be with cursive?

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  1. Finland will save money on napkins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No more STEM or business ideas scribbled on the backs of napkins and other foolscap.

    1. Re:Finland will save money on napkins by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Finland is also dropping the handwritten long division algorithm in 2016.

      Now that's just stupid. People will need to use their smartphone's calculator to figure out everything from restaurant tips to spacing between items to make them look equally spaced to adjusting the ingredients for a recipe.

      It seems that the smarter our devices get, the dumber we get.

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    2. Re:Finland will save money on napkins by Echo_Hotel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Things will still be scribbled on the backs of napkins and coasters just now it'll be legible printing instead of unreadable bullcrap.

    3. Re:Finland will save money on napkins by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't think of a single time in my life where I would've literally died if I couldn't read.

      Yet that happens all the time. People die because they cannot read emergency instructions, a medicine label, a warning label on a pesticide, etc. One thing that all the countries with active ebola have in common, is far lower literacy than neighboring countries where the disease was stopped dead in its tracks.

      People that can read have measurably longer, healthier lives. Literacy is a real critical life skill. Manual long division is not. Equating the two is idiotic.

  2. quick notes? by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know about you, but I can jot-down quick notes on scraps of paper a hell of a lot faster than I can get out an electronic device, open a note-taking program, and attempt to use an on-screen keyboard to type the same notes with any degree of accuracy.

    I had a meeting a couple of weeks ago with several coworkers and an outside vendor, and it was a quite technical meeting. I had to be able to follow all of the jumps between topics and to keep my notes straight and organized. I later reorganized my notes when I typed them for e-mail, but what I took was stream-of-consciousness at best, and would not have been immediately sendable to others. Since I had to reorganize the notes anyway, using paper was a lot more practical than attempting to do it electronically.

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    1. Re:quick notes? by pjt33 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know about you, but I can jot-down quick notes on scraps of paper a hell of a lot faster than I can get out an electronic device, open a note-taking program, and attempt to use an on-screen keyboard to type the same notes with any degree of accuracy.

      That's not a fair comparison. If you're counting the time to open the memo app on your phone, you should also count the time to find a pen or pencil and a scrap of paper. For me the time which the former takes is fairly consistent, but the latter varies considerably because I don't usually carry a pen in my trouser pocket.

      As an aside, you seem to be making more of an argument for teaching shorthand than for teaching writing.

    2. Re:quick notes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Writing is an exceptionally important part of learning (http://www.nwp.org/cs/public/print/resource/3555, http://www.uwlax.edu/catl/writing/assignments/writingtolearn.htm). Despite Finland's reputation for excellent education, doing away with an essential skill like writing is shortsighted. The fact that keyboards and tablets and crappy little mobile devices make writing difficult, is a failing of the crappy device, not writing itself. It would be like doing away with reading because you can get audio books. Just becuase the infantile can't write properly is their handicap, not a sign of having abandoned an archaic system for data recording for a more efficient one.

      People learn better when writing notes down, it helps the brain to process the information and to retain it. The perception held by those with such poor motor skills that they find writing difficult to perform have, that their efficiency is improved by typing, is purely that, a perception, and an incorrect one at that. Study after study has proved them wrong, despite their febrile and plaintif cries to the contrary. Writing is far better for learning than typing. You can also continue to record your thoughts and other information when there is no electricity, no requirement for a keyboard or an internet connection ....

      Stupid, stupid, stupid.

  3. Cursive is virtually dead already by Dega704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember learning cursive all throughout middle school. It never served any functional purpose afterward. Almost nobody used it and the few people who still insisted on it were the ones whose handwriting nobody wanted to have to read because it was so difficult to make out. In college, many professors will not accept a paper written in cursive for that same reason. I still think handwriting is important, but to hell with cursive. Why waste time teaching it when the vast majority will never use it?

  4. WTF biased summary by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems incredible that in the 21st century schools are still teaching children to scratch marks on paper.

    It seems incredible? Hello, what sort of bizarro world does this come from? I know that handwriting is becoming less important, but WTF is this? Treating it as some sort of Amazon rainforest tribe barbarity?

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  5. Re:Fantastic! by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Written communication is the only thing that will keep working throughout history and they want to stop teaching it.

    They aren't going to stop teaching printing. They are going to stop teaching cursive.

    In highschool my cursive was illegible enough that I switched back to printing for notes, assignments, and exams.

    I would be with you 100% if if they were going to stop teaching printing, and if all note taking and draft writing, math homehork, spelling tests, and everything else was going to be done on a keyboard. But they aren't doing that. Nobody is suggesting that.

    They're getting rid of cursive. It's not a big deal.

  6. Re:I agree by beelsebob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Man, it's amazing how many people who think they rock at writing, really suck at reading. They're not stopping teaching writing with pen and paper. They are stopping teaching cursive. Printing is faster for note taking anyway, cursive is just a way of trying to make your writing prettier.

  7. Re:Dumps, you say? From the anus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Only a complete idiot would want the children to learn cursive. It's useless. I'm glad they stopped teaching art as well.

  8. Oh what do we do? by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So what about a world where cursive writing is forgotten? What do you do when your computer is dead and you need to leave a note?

    What do you do? The same thing that I do now, you print it. No reason to put anyone, including myself, through trying to decipher my cursive writing. Idiotic question!

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    1. Re:Oh what do we do? by beelsebob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. The reason to learn and use cursive is because it's much more efficient in terms of writing large amounts.

      That's the point... (almost) no one does that any more. For those that actually at some point in their life write more than a few sentences in a row by hand, they certainly can go out and learn cursive. But to teach everyone to write cursive, because 0.01% of them at some point might have need to write out many pages of text, rather than just typing it (as 99.99% wold), is ridiculous. That time absolutely is better spent teaching people to type efficiently.

  9. Oh what do we do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. The reason to learn and use cursive is because it's much more efficient in terms of writing large amounts. It's not the fault of cursive if people like you can't be bothered to use it correctly any more than it's the fault of the OS that people click on things they shouldn't be clicking on.

    I've tried taking notice with regular printing and it just doesn't work out well. I can write far more with cursive before my hand starts to ache.

    Before you bring up laptops for taking notes, I'd like to point out that I hate those assholes for making all that noise while I'm trying to concentrate on the class. Not to mention the fact that it's easy to have material wind up on the page that wasn't in the lecture because you're not really thinking about what you're typing.

  10. Re:Dumps, you say? From the anus? by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Historical records in many countries are written in cursive, and not just English wring ones. Only a complete idiot would want to sever children from their past.

  11. Is technology making us dumber not smarter? by kheldan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I seem to be seeing a trend of technology making people dumber, lazier, and more unskilled than ever before, and it really disturbs me.

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  12. Re:Dumps, you say? From the anus? by Daemonik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A lot of historical documents are written in Olde English or Saxxon.. how far back do we go before we cut the cord on what is 'general' knowledge? Only a complete idiot would expect every child to be able to read Fraktur script in several languages for records that have minimal impact on their day to day lives.

  13. Lawn, off, please get. by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now us older folks have a secret code in handwriting that the kids will never understand.

    We already have that. So do they.

    We older folks sit together and talk to each other. We smile, frown, roll our eyes, laugh, and more, all while undertaking integrated forays into spoken language and listening comprehension.

    They sit there mute, heads folded halfway over, tapping madly on their smart-phones while occasionally sniggering to themselves. I've seen whole tables of them doing this, many times. It's like the others at the table don't even exist, except inasmuch as they might be connected via those same smart-phones.

    And when you try to engage them in conversation, just watch how long it takes before they're head-back-in-smartphone.

    It's a fascinating social development. But I'm not at all certain it is a positive one.

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  14. I'm not so willing to abandon cursive. by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't help being reminded of the scene in Wall-E which scrolls past the portraits of the ship's Captains. Their signatures becoming more and more illegible as the machine takes control.

    Our family preserves letters, notes, cards and such that document over two hundred years of family history, They remain readable and expressive, exposing age and emotion in ways that print cannot --- in many ways tmore intimately than any photograph.

    This Thanksgiving what I saw as a quest at a family dinner was a near total self-absorption in the gadget. The smartphone. the tablet, The need to text as over-powering as the need to drink, no matter how inappropriate the setting or that there was nothing left to say.

  15. Re:1994 by The+Rizz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about "cursive is so different from person to person, and most people write it sloppy anyway, so just scribble something that looks vaguely right and they'll just assume you know what you're doing but they just can't read it"?