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Woz Downplays the Significance of Apple's Startup Garage

mrspoonsi (2955715) writes "When thinking about the early days of Apple, most people who know even a little bit about the company probably picture Steve Jobs and cofounder Steve Wozniak busily brainstorming in a small garage in Silicon Valley. That's how the story goes — in fact, the garage where they famously started the company was even deemed a historical site last year. Wozniak, however, doesn't really see that location as a crucial part of Apple's history. "The garage is a bit of a myth," he told Bloomberg Businessweek's Brandon Lisy when asked whether the garage was important to Apple's story. "We did no designs there, no breadboarding, no prototyping, no planning of products. We did no manufacturing there." The garage served as a familiar location for him and Jobs in the early days, Wozniak said, but that's about it. "The garage didn't service much purpose, except it was something for us to feel was our home," he said. "We had no money. You have to work out of your home when you have no money.""

77 comments

  1. Apple cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Something not being significant is being significant news?

    1. Re: Apple cult by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Apperently so. The new Slashdot.

      I'm also getting those blue underlain word ads, and popover ads on my phone.

      Between the people leaving, and this, I may be leaving myself.

      I just haven't found exactly the right fit.

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    2. Re: Apple cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried SoylentNews?

      Less comments per article, but otherwise quite /.-like.

    3. Re: Apple cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to try Slashdot Deals before you go!

    4. Re:Apple cult by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      Eh, if people widely thought it was significant and it's entered historical narratives that way, I think it counts as at least vaguely interesting if one of the people involved has another story.

    5. Re: Apple cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too many arrogant fools from Slashdot moved to Soylent. It doesn't have the management problem we have here, but the user-base is just as clueless and self-congratulating. If you want smart comments try Anandtech.

    6. Re: Apple cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Between the people leaving, and this, I may be leaving myself.
       
      Promises promises.

    7. Re: Apple cult by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      I did, but could not get over the name. Slashdot aka /. is just a fantastic name imho. SN just does not roll of the keyboard quite as nicely.

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    8. Re: Apple cult by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      But it is only interesting to apple fan boys. I do not care any more than I would care if there was a disagreement over some mlp lore.

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    9. Re: Apple cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know I was going to quit Slashdot, but then I saw that the Linux Learner Bundle is 91% off right now! Who could resist that deal? I mean, it used to cost more to learn Linux than to simply buy 3 copies of Windows 8.1 Professional, but now I can learn to Linux for less than fifty dollars!

    10. Re: Apple cult by fibonacci8 · · Score: 2

      Sn sounds a little tinny to me.

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    11. Re: Apple cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try Anandtech

      There are websites besides Slashdot on the Internet?

    12. Re:Apple cult by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 0

      Something not being significant is being significant news?

      It's very insignificance gives it significance. It is significantly insignificant. I hope this explanation was sufficiently non-insufficient...

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    13. Re: Apple cult by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      No, it is of interest to people interested in the history of the personal computer. You may think that anyone using an Apple product has a trust fund and spends their days at Starbucks but to deny that Apple had an important part in shaping the personal computing world is foolish.

      Your post is really off because the vast majority of the stereotypical Apple fan haven't a clue what happened in the early years of the company. I rather doubt they have any idea that there was an Apple product before the iPod.

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    14. Re: Apple cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it is of interest to people interested in the history of the personal computer. You may think that anyone using an Apple product has a trust fund and spends their days at Starbucks but to deny that Apple had an important part in shaping the personal computing world is foolish.

      Your post is really off because the vast majority of the stereotypical Apple fan haven't a clue what happened in the early years of the company. I rather doubt they have any idea that there was an Apple product before the iPod.

      quite.

    15. Re: Apple cult by alvinrod · · Score: 0

      What's done it for me were the damned ads that make noise. I used to leave advertising on, even though I could disable it so that they could get some revenue from my traffic. I understand that hosting isn't free. But now that a lot of the ads make noise, I've had to turn it off. That kind of behavior is annoying. How can a tech site be so out of touch with its user base that they'd ever permit something so obnoxious. Keep the ads quiet and tasteful and I don't have a problem with them and I'll gladly leave them on so that the site can make a little bit of money.

    16. Re: Apple cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is really, really sad.

      i had a 5 digit UID. i don't say that for bragging rights, i say it to emphasize how long i frequented the site (i didn't make an account for years, just posted AC like now).

      it really is sad to see it go so far downhill. the redesigns, the ads, all the horror. i still have an ancient slashcode tarball i might set up and try to make a news aggregation site of sorts. all the news, none of the ads.

      anyway, there is still LWN.net dslreports. needs to be something better.

    17. Re: Apple cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i still have an ancient slashcode tarball i might set up

      Why don't you shit in one hand and wish in the other, and let us know which one fills up faster?

    18. Re: Apple cult by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know, but I hate those underline things.

      That's why I stopped going to phoronix.com.

      I hate the popover adds on my phone, at least the /. ones seem to close easily.

      the blue underline ads are always terrible and useless, and I click them by accident when scrolling via touch, they really annoy me.

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    19. Re: Apple cult by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I actually don't mind the deals at all.

      That is how I think advertising should work, relevant, and discount.

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    20. Re: Apple cult by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Of course. There's Slashdot, YouTube, eBay, Amazon and Netflix. The rest is adult websites.

  2. Oh noes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There goes my reality. I just started my business in my garage along with Steve and Woz on the walls.

    What will I pray to every night before going to bed now?

    All my dreams of being the next Steve Jobs have been smashed

    1. Re: Oh noes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, you still can. One day you will be dead, you see. Just like Steve Jobs.

    2. Re:Oh noes... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Just go shopping for black turtlenecks. You'll feel better.

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    3. Re:Oh noes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can only quote Ricky from the movie American Beauty:

      "What a sad, old man you are."

  3. Spirit by A10Mechanic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What people like to believe in is the spirit of entrepreneurship that Apple and others emulated. The garage isn't so important, the idea of a garage is powerful stuff.

    1. Re:Spirit by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      What people like to believe in is the spirit of entrepreneurship that Apple and others emulated. The garage isn't so important, the idea of a garage is powerful stuff.

      Exactly. This is the axe to grind of my great great grandfather.

    2. Re:Spirit by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You say "spirit," I say "myth."

      The idea is indeed powerful stuff. It wouldn't be so inspiring to realize that Apple didn't pull itself up by the bootstraps from a garage and that the real brains of the operation got a pittance compared to the smooth-talking asshole boss. Who wants a STEM education now?

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    3. Re:Spirit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The truth is probably very mundane. Get a job, learn form your body, poach his contacts. Hardly "spirit of entrapreneurship" more than th other millions of small businesses that have been hatched in the past 4 decades

      http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/383/origin-story

    4. Re:Spirit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you just wrote the best comment of the week.

    5. Re:Spirit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Particularly since, with that STEM education, you might acquire the skills to be able to contribute (unpaid) to a massive high-quality project like the BSD OS... and then have it stolen by Apple for the benefit of the executives and "stakeholders".

      Yes, I know... in a legal sense, it wasn't. In every meaningful sense, it was.

    6. Re:Spirit by Princeofcups · · Score: 3, Informative

      You say "spirit," I say "myth."

      The idea is indeed powerful stuff. It wouldn't be so inspiring to realize that Apple didn't pull itself up by the bootstraps from a garage and that the real brains of the operation got a pittance compared to the smooth-talking asshole boss. Who wants a STEM education now?

      B.S. Woz and the original team were rewarded very well. However Woz wanted more spread around, so he gave various employees who he thought deserved more some of his shares. Sure Jobs and the board could have spread the wealth around more, but Woz in particular made a fortune.

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    7. Re:Spirit by SteveWoz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The headline could be confusing. The garage was significant. My point is that people extend the concept in their heads and imagine a lot more than it really was. That is the myth part.

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    8. Re:Spirit by KatchooNJ · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the clarification, Woz. Someone mod the man up! (No points here today.)

      ~Kat ^_^

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    9. Re:Spirit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the rest of us, what exactly did happen in that garage?

    10. Re:Spirit by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      What people like to believe in is the spirit of entrepreneurship that Apple and others emulated. The garage isn't so important, the idea of a garage is powerful stuff.

      We already have an overabundance of feel-good myths in religion, US history, and television. We don't need to create anymore. Myths distort reality. Myths create people with unrealistic expectations and short attention spans.

      The garage didn't make Apple. The surrounding social, technological, and educational environments, are really what made Apple. And also, let's take for example the iPod. The first iPod wasn't made in less than a year, the first iPod was the result of decades of research and trial and error, which continued well after its first version was released, and continues to this day.

    11. Re:Spirit by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      So Woz shared his fortune to give other Apple employees fair compensation that they weren't getting through official channels...does that make the origin story better or worse?

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    12. Re:Spirit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You say "spirit," I say "myth."

      The idea is indeed powerful stuff. It wouldn't be so inspiring to realize that Apple didn't pull itself up by the bootstraps from a garage and that the real brains of the operation got a pittance compared to the smooth-talking asshole boss. Who wants a STEM education now?

      A good origin story is corporate branding 101. Embellishing is expected, just like any fish story. Thats how our brand of capitalism works. You don't have to like it in order to agree that it works- and use it to your advantage. If anything, this just provides more evidence that Woz isn't a very good businessman despite his genius.

    13. Re:Spirit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hopefully some steve/steve fanfic action.

    14. Re:Spirit by krakelohm · · Score: 1

      Who decides what is 'fair' and not.

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    15. Re:Spirit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The "apple garage" surely represents something to a lot of makers and creators. If I recall correctly, you or someone of your caliber stated recently that within today's world there wouldn't be a place for a maker/hacker like you. If true, that's unfortunate, and kind of sad at the same time.

    16. Re:Spirit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The current Woz fortune is estimated to be $100M and that is largely tied to Apple stock, considering all his other business ventures have been failures. Also, unlike Jobs, Woz has been a prolific philanthropist.

      Jobs didn't hold onto his initial Apple shares when he left the company in 1985, he sold all of them except one and went on to fund both NeXT and Pixar. If he had held the stock, it would have been worth $32B when he died. Jobs became a billionaire not through Apple, rather it was with the Pixar IPO. Most of this fortune was actually tied to Disney stock after that company bought Pixar, about $7B of his estimated $11B wealth at the time of his death. Although NeXT didn't do well, it did prove successful when bought by Apple and used as a basis for OS X. Jobs was simply better at later business ventures than Woz and this success made him richer. Still not as rich as Bill Gates with an estimated net worth fast approaching $100B.

    17. Re:Spirit by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      There are several companies now that are "inventing" their origina stories. Like all superheros or people who mistaenly think they are superheros, they feel they must have a cool original story. Some of these stories end up being exaggerations but some are outright lies. Few want to say that their origin was to get a small group to leave their old company and take a list of clients with them. Or say, for Google, a story of "we were rich students at a rich school using school equipment and we pulled ourselves up by gold plated bootstraps, and we continue the tradition of wasting money to this day."

    18. Re:Spirit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you might acquire the skills to be able to contribute (unpaid) to a massive high-quality project like the BSD OS... and then have it stolen by Apple

      You can't steal what is freely given.

    19. Re:Spirit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, are you saying Pirates of Silicon Valley lied to me when they showed you guys building Apple I's in the garage??

  4. Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So he says they did no manufacturing there, but that they had to work out of the home. So which is it?

    1. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Likely they did their planning, R&D, business work, deal-cutting, etc. out of home, but contracted out the manufacture of the product. It's dismissing the myth that they sat around LITERALLY BUILDING THE APPLE COMPUTER! SUPREME TALENT!

    2. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm also confused. They said they had no money, but had to work out of the home. How do you have a home if you have no money?

    3. Re:Confused by RustNeverSleeps · · Score: 1

      They lived with their parents. Or, at least Jobs' did. It was his parents' garage. (Not sure about Woz, who was a bit older.)

  5. Happy Thursday from The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you for being a friend
    Traveled down the road and back again
    Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

    And if you threw a party
    Invited everyone you knew
    You would see the biggest gift would be from me
    And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

    Its CONFIDANT! Not cosmonaut! You miserable, smug wretch of a fuck.

  6. Neither news, nor newsworthy by fibonacci8 · · Score: 0

    Steve Wozniak says something isn't important, here's the story of why?

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    1. Re:Neither news, nor newsworthy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A building was landmarked for being a KEY to the success of 2 guys that started the home computer revolution turns out to not be so important from one of the guys

      Kind of a thing we are interested to hear about

    2. Re:Neither news, nor newsworthy by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      It's interesting in how stereotypically engineery the woz is. Most people see the fact that they were in a garage as really important to the apple story. The woz doesn't care about that cruft (and likely a lot of the slashdot community agrees). It's touchy feely and to him obviously you are going to be living somewhere. to him, lots of people spent time in garages. He cares about his eureka moments in breadboarding the first prototypes.

  7. Re:Happy Thursday from The Golden Girls! by bazmonkey · · Score: 1

    Psst. AC: you're talking to yourself.

  8. More important garage by ArhcAngel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it hadn't been for the hp garage there might not have been the tech to make the Apple garage possible.

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    1. Re:More important garage by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      If it hadn't been for the hp garage there might not have been the tech to make the Apple garage possible.

      And if it weren't for IBM and others, there never would have been an HP. Your point is?

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    2. Re:More important garage by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      We're talking about the importance of garages. Does IBM have a garage? Does IBM have a Function Generator that plays the Halleluiah Chorus? I didn't think so! Who said I had to have a point anyway? THIS IS /.!

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    3. Re:More important garage by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      His point is that the startup garage might be significant after all. What's your point?

    4. Re:More important garage by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      If it weren't for Shockley being a royal pain to work with, we'd never have a Silicon valley.

    5. Re:More important garage by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      We're talking about the importance of garages. Does IBM have a garage? Does IBM have a Function Generator that plays the Halleluiah Chorus? I didn't think so! Who said I had to have a point anyway? THIS IS /.!

      Garages are important. Any sort of startup that can't afford a commercial space, a garage is a convenient space that can be used as a workshop. Garages are a sizable amount of square footage that can be used in place of a commercial shop for everything from personal hobbies to budding businesses. Similar amounts of space probably are less available inside of people's homes. When several friend of mine were looking to buy a house, a large garage has been a very attractive thing because it was a place they could work with machinery on their hobbies. Now that I'm looking for a house, I'm finding myself in the same mindset.

  9. counteracts the Jobs Field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is incredibly important lest future generations enter the cult of the Fanboi.

    Apple Jobs and the Woz are all great in their own right but no need to make them what they aren't.

  10. Another Silicon Valley Garage Myth by sudon't · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And so it is with a lot of these Silicon Valley garage stories.

    Garage Myth

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  11. The Myth of Rags to Riches by androidph · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Been hearing a lot of this story all the time, whether if it's the apple garage, or that guy getting declined by facebook and started a new company, or if it's this teenager who got bought out by yahoo... it's inspiring but is rarely really true. I confirmed it when one of my former boss went public and earned billions in one day. I read the news about it and it's the same pattern, it mentioned that this guy started working for a fastfood company and finally ended up earning billions in his tech IPO. But the true story is, this guy was already rich. His parents are already sits on the board of larger companies.Further, he started tens of startups that failed, and he then gets some funding again from his parents and siblings.

    The bottom line, the key to success (I mean earning billions), is not working hard or have a great idea, the key is to have a rich family, because having rich friends is not enough. If you are poor but have a great idea, your rich "friends" will just steal it, they have money to spend on legal fees so they don't mind. Lastly, success is a lot like the lottery, you have to keep on trying till you hit the jackpot. And you have to have money to burn. Some of us win, most do not, but those who won, would not give credit to luck. They will tell that they had a system on betting, or they kept a number of years...

    Lastly, I had a good (not great) idea before, and was invited by a TELCO company to demo it. After the demo, they simple ignored it and asked me if I had other ideas, and after some time, I saw an app just like mine in the appstore, with the screenshots showing the profile pic of the guy I demoed it to.

    True Story

    1. Re:The Myth of Rags to Riches by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 2

      If you simply showed up at the Telco, demoed your invention, and expected to walk out with a big check and a contract, you did it wrong.

      You should have patented your invention, then have the big bad Telco sign an NDA, then show them your invention.

    2. Re:The Myth of Rags to Riches by androidph · · Score: 1

      So if I did that, then what next? Me suing them? That would cost money that I don't have.

    3. Re:The Myth of Rags to Riches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Find a lawyer and give him a cut. Simple as that

  12. so.. Jobs worked on Atari.. and invented.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so.. Jobs worked on Atari..
    that company which manufactured "personal computers"..
    and some time later Jobs invented "personal computer"!

    that is totally gay

    1. Re:so.. Jobs worked on Atari.. and invented.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      History is written by the mythmakers. John Sculley saved Apple in the early 80s and somehow he is at fault such that Jobs needs to come back in 1998 long after Sculley is gone. Once upon a time those that wrote that Apple needed Jobs after reviewing case studies failed.

    2. Re:so.. Jobs worked on Atari.. and invented.. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      so.. Jobs worked on Atari.. that company which manufactured "personal computers".. and some time later Jobs invented "personal computer"!

      that is totally gay

      Of course this was back when Atari didn't make "personal computers", but coin-ops. Heck, Atari shipped their first "personal" device, the Atari 2600 after Apple shipped the Apple II. And calling the 2600 a PC would be reaaaally stretching it.

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  13. Didn't happen in Garage happened in Woz's room. by opensourcespace · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Woz may be tactfully reclaiming his role in creating apple. It didn't happen in the garage that was communal. It happened largely in Woz's room likely. Woz is an engineer and Jobs is a businessman. Woz built the first apple computer largely alone. Moving the location to his room is a subtle way to say what needs to be said.

    1. Re:Didn't happen in Garage happened in Woz's room. by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      Woz may be tactfully reclaiming his role in creating apple. It didn't happen in the garage that was communal. It happened largely in Woz's room likely. Woz is an engineer and Jobs is a businessman.

      Woz built the first apple computer largely alone.

      Moving the location to his room is a subtle way to say what needs to be said.

      Apple is a company, not a device. Even if the Apple I was not created in the garage, it sounds like the beginnings of the company Apple started there. The packaging, selling, marketing, planning, may have all happened there. It's like saying that you can't preserve Lincoln's log cabin because it didn't make him president.

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    2. Re:Didn't happen in Garage happened in Woz's room. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the time, Apple pretty much was a single device.

  14. Re:Happy Thursday from The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be new here.

  15. editurds by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    The garage didn't service much purpose

    mr spoonsi not spikki di eenglish.

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