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British 'Porn Filter' Blocks Access To Chaos Computer Club

An anonymous reader tips news that the Chaos Computer Club's website was inaccessible for many internet users in the UK after being blocked by the filter set up to block porn sites. Additionally, Vodafone users are unable to access the ticket site to this year's Chaos Commuication Conference. In a post on its website, the CCC said, "Internet filters simply do not work, but leaving technical limitation aside, the CCC's example shows that unsolicited overblocking, meaning wrongly classified websites, is a common phenomenon in large censorship infrastructures. However, it may very well be that the CCC is considered 'extremist' judged by British standards of freedom of speech." CCC spokesperson Dirk Engling added, "We see this as proof that censorship infrastructure – no matter for which reasons it was set up, and no matter which country you are in – will always be abused for political reasons."

135 comments

  1. Good grief. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Porn filters... Really? Well, what do you expect from a country that has CCTV on every corner in every town, and an internal security apparatus that shames the NSA? We're not talking about Russia here...

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    1. Re:Good grief. by ihtoit · · Score: 2

      the City of London* (which has a population of just 9,000**) has 619 cameras, which makes it the most densely CCTV'd population centre AND the most densely CCTV'd square mile in the world.

      *definition: that area inside the Lion bollards between Temple and the Mall
      **source: 2011 census

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    2. Re:Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, I had the default settings for Duck for my searches. I still got porn.

      My wife, a medical professional, was searching for some stuff and she was blocked. I had to go and set the filters for 'no restrictions'.

      Yes, medicine is porn for conservatives (yeah, it's a dig).

    3. Re:Good grief. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      The City of London has 9000 residents but about 500,000 people actually working there during the day.

      9000 residents and 619 security cameras sounds like OMG BIG BROTHER TROLOLOLOLWTFBBQHAX.

      The more realistic, 509,000 people and 619 cameras sounds much less dramatic.

      The definition of the City of London being in this case the boundary of the City of London.

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    4. Re: Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe there needs to be a world-wide internet blockade against GB...

    5. Re:Good grief. by norriefc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The vast vast majority of CCTV cameras are privately owned, 1 in 70 are state owned (approx 800,000 which is still too many in my book) And as for porn filters, they are optional that the vast majority haven't opted into, the whole thing is bullshit, the only people it will be blocked for is people who opted into filters and I'd wager 99.999% of those who did opt in wouldn't be visiting CCC.de anyway.

    6. Re:Good grief. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The more realistic, 509,000 people and 619 cameras sounds much less dramatic.

      Not really. If you place those 619 cameras correctly (and I assume they did) in such a small area, I'll bet every single person who lives or works in that place gets their image recorded several times a day.

      Remember, the 500,000 people who come to the City of London to work every day have a limited number of routes to take to get there. A relatively small number of bus stops, train stations, parking lots, bridges and streets makes for easy work for the guys who are upskirting their own citizens' lives.

      I'm guessing it could be done with even fewer cameras.

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    7. Re:Good grief. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Except for the bankers and child molestation murder cults among the elite. Nobody's watching them, apparently.

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    8. Re:Good grief. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And before you ask for a citation regarding those child molestation/murder cults among the elite:

      http://www.theguardian.com/soc...

      http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/u...

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    9. Re:Good grief. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      We shouldn't give the benefit of the doubt to government institutions that won't do likewise. That they are harmless now is inconsequential. We should be outraged that anyone in government even suggest a censorship regime.

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    10. Re:Good grief. by ihtoit · · Score: 3, Informative

      well, OK, how about London's 33 boroughs* controlling 7,000** cameras between them? Or the 500,000-800,000** privately owned/run CCTV cameras (not systems, individual cameras) operating in the same area?
      The 11,000** cameras operating on the Tube network?

      *combined population: 8.3 million (2013 ONS estimate)
      **source: BSIA

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    11. Re:Good grief. by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      opt in? I didn't opt in for filtering yet I find thepiratebay.se is blocked.

      Who do I talk to to resolve this bullshit?

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    12. Re:Good grief. by norriefc · · Score: 2

      You're (willfully ? ) confusing two distinct issues

      One is the abhorrent court mandated (section 97A's) blocks which the ISP's just bend over and take
      The other (re this article) is optional web filtering that parents etc can use to prevent access to a wide (stupidly wide) range of websites
      They are both pointless in their own way but the section 97A's are the real concern (to me anyway)

    13. Re: Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I say cut the submarine cables that connect the UK to the rest of the civilized world.

    14. Re:Good grief. by hawguy · · Score: 2

      The City of London has 9000 residents but about 500,000 people actually working there during the day.

      9000 residents and 619 security cameras sounds like OMG BIG BROTHER TROLOLOLOLWTFBBQHAX.

      The more realistic, 509,000 people and 619 cameras sounds much less dramatic.

      The definition of the City of London being in this case the boundary of the City of London.

      Another way to look at is in terms of area.... The City of London covers about 1.12 square miles... If the cameras all cover ground level, them then the cameras could cover a grid with a camera spaced every 225 feet, or about one minute's walking distance.

    15. Re:Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh piss off with this already.

      This bullshit was made up by some retard that counted ONE area of the country and abused the hell out of statistics to make a case that never existed.

      I live in a large town and literally see about 3 cameras that are government-operated in the fairly open areas I travel.
      Any other cameras are small private cameras at store entrances and such.

    16. Re:Good grief. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep, but they're not scattered remotely uniformly.

      For instance there's a bunch in the big underpass system by the Monument, far more than one every 225 feet because it's an underpass with a few branches. They also tend to be scattered round the large, important buildings like the Gherkin. The ground plans are complex so to cover the area just around the building, many cameras are needed.

      All the little streets like Change Alley and Pope's Head Alley and whatnot have none whatsoever.

      Yes there are a lot but the chicken-little OMG BIG BROTHER ENGLAND IS WORSE THAN NORTH KOREA THE SKY IS FALLING types are basically spouting crap.

      Disclaimer: I only walk through the city of London every day on the way into work.

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    17. Re:Good grief. by 91degrees · · Score: 2

      Well, what do you expect from a country that has CCTV on every corner in every town

      We don't. The report that said we did had really poor methodology and a lot of speculation.

      Even then, the bulk of CCTV is in private shops. You have this in every country.

    18. Re: Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It won't happen. Ever. Instead, expect those filters to be implemented everywhere, sooner or later. The era of the free internet is at an end. There's nothing anyone can do, sorry.

    19. Re:Good grief. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Except for the bankers and child molestation murder cults among the elite. Nobody's watching them, apparently.

      So the banker molestation murder cults get away with their crimes. Not sure if a good or bad thing.

    20. Re:Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cyril Smith:
      I skipped lunch! Get over here! I’m gonna eat ya! I’m bigger than you. I’m higher on the food chain. Get in my belly!

    21. Re:Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, in some countries they actually still bleeps certain curse words in broadcasts. And people seem to put up with it. Weird.

    22. Re:Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      9000 residents and 619 security cameras sounds like OMG BIG BROTHER TROLOLOLOLWTFBBQHAX.

      The more realistic, 509,000 people and 619 cameras sounds much less dramatic.

      Neither way is good at describing what is going on.

      A better way to sum it up is that in that area there are recordings of you from the moment you leave a door to the moment you enter another.
      Everything interaction you have, every person you meet everything is caught on camera. If there are one hundred or one million people in that area doesn't change that.

    23. Re:Good grief. by Lumpy · · Score: 0

      Holy crap London is a tiny little town. my small town has 100,000 population and the nearest mid sized town has a population of 500,000 I never realized that London was equivalent to a backwater small town in the USA. What's the population of the UK? I'm betting NYC has more residents than the entire UK has if London only has a population of 9000.

      Or do you brits count people using the metric system?

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    24. Re:Good grief. by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      That's the "City of London".

      It's not the city of London. It's a small, privately owned borough in the middle. It has it's own private police force (who are staunch advocates of strong copyright policing, surprise). It's the scene of many of the financial crimes of this and previous centuries, but curiously, these don't get too much attention from their own private police.

    25. Re: Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're getting City of London and Greater London mixed up.

      City of London is a historical oddity, not the capital city of the UK

    26. Re:Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Free speech zones" - hows that working out for you?

    27. Re:Good grief. by digitig · · Score: 1

      *definition: that area inside the Lion bollards between Temple and the Mall

      Er - that sounds more like Camden than The City. The City extends to the east of Temple; the Mall is to the west. Did you get your map of London from a Dan Brown book?

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    28. Re: Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cancel your ISP contract and go with someone who the court order doesn't apply to. Most of those court orders apply only to specific ISPs (usually BT, Sky, Virgin and Talk Talk). Smaller ISPs tend to get overlooked and/or resist implementing censorship measurers.

    29. Re: Good grief. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 0

      With all the little passages through buildings in the City, I actually suspect it would be very possible to avoid the cameras.

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    30. Re: Good grief. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      The city of London and London are different cities with different mayors and even different police forces.

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    31. Re:Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. "London" is a big city, comprising the City of London, Westminster, and surrounding areas. The City of London is a small, weird, city, ruled by a corporation and with its own private police force. It's not a great representative of the rest of the UK.

      London (including Westminster and the rest) has about the same population as NYC.

    32. Re:Good grief. by Person147 · · Score: 2
      I work in the City of London and am glad of every single one of those cameras.

      We have experienced decades of people trying to - and often succeeding in - blowing up us workers. For a long time we had the IRA and now Islamic terrorists all wanting to inflict death and destruction on those of us going about our daily lives. This list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London) gives some idea of the scale and number of attacks London (not just the City of London) has suffered. If these cameras mean that I or my colleagues do not become one of the statistics on that Wikipedia page, then I am all for them. Terrorism is a real and ongoing threat in London.

    33. Re:Good grief. by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      "Abdul!"
      "What, Samir?"
      "We cannot do this thing."
      "Why not?"
      "Camera."
      "Shit. Let us go home and reconsider our lives."

      Yep. Totally see how that works.

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    34. Re:Good grief. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      It's 8.3 million.

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    35. Re: Good grief. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Remember, you only need cameras covering where the "little passages" enter and exit. You don't need 100% coverage to cover 100% the people.

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    36. Re:Good grief. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      So the banker molestation murder cults get away with their crimes. Not sure if a good or bad thing.

      I bet if you had some quiet reflection and thought carefully about it, you could figure out whether or not child molestation & murder is a good or bad thing.

      Unless you are somewhere down the sociopathy spectrum, in which case you might not.

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    37. Re:Good grief. by Person147 · · Score: 1

      Totally see how that works.

      Well clearly you don't totally see how the cameras would work.

    38. Re:Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're confusing the City of London with the greater London metropolitan area.

    39. Re: Good grief. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I am certain that I know a fair few that don't have any cameras pointed at the entrance or otherwise.

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    40. Re: Good grief. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      With all the little passages through buildings in the City, I actually suspect it would be very possible to avoid the cameras.

      Instead of modding this troll, how about you explain exactly what about my post is a troll and not truth?

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    41. Re:Good grief. by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      did cameras save Lee Rigby? NO.
      did cameras save 52 London commuters on the 7 July 2005? NO.
      did cameras prevent Jamie Bulger from being buggered and decapitated and left on a railway track? NO.
      did cameras save Ian Tomlinson? NO.
      did cameras prevent Dunblane? NO.

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    42. Re:Good grief. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      So the banker molestation murder cults get away with their crimes. Not sure if a good or bad thing.

      I bet if you had some quiet reflection and thought carefully about it, you could figure out whether or not child molestation & murder is a good or bad thing.

      Unless you are somewhere down the sociopathy spectrum, in which case you might not.

      Note I didn't include the part about children. Read what you comment on before commenting.

    43. Re:Good grief. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Oh, sorry. I completely missed the molestation murder joke there.

      You're right. I say, dress the bankers up in short pants and sailor suits and drop them in a room full of Jimmy Saviles.

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    44. Re:Good grief. by Person147 · · Score: 1
      Identified, arrested and jailed thanks to CCTV identification

      BBC News

  2. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tweak the filter. Problem solved.

    1. Re:So? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Tweak what? This is precisely what is/was planned to occur. It was just marketed to the public as a "porn filter" to get it initially passed.

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    2. Re:So? by knightghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, that caused the problem. "Save the children!" and other lemming stampede inducing sayings will always be abused by those in power.

    3. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before you try using the the porn filter as a conspiracy theory, keep in mind that there has been a child porn filter in place since circa 1996.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Watch_Foundation

    4. Re:So? by Scottingham · · Score: 1

      aka Lovejoy's Law

    5. Re:So? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Conspiracy? Doesn't matter.

      Self-appointed censors having multiple back doors to enforcement, including government enforcement? That matters.

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    6. Re:So? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You do like playing whack-a-mole, right? Because that's what tweaking a filter is. Oh, it blocks X, ok... let's fiddle with it, ok, we can get to X again. But wait, it still blocks Y. Ok... now. But now it doesn't block XXX anymore. Oh... ok, let's tinker with it... there. But now X is unreachable again!

      Sure, it's job security, but at what price?

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    7. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conspiracy? Doesn't matter.

      Self-appointed censors having multiple back doors to enforcement, including government enforcement? That matters.

      No, my point was that this has been happening since 1996 so it's nothing new and sudden.

      What disgusts me most, is that the government is now using IS to further its agenda.

  3. Please, its for the Children !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Will somebody please think of the children !!!

    1. Re:Please, its for the Children !!! by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      unfortunately they do, which is precisely why there are six million* public-facing CCTV cameras in daily operation around the country. That's one for every eleven people. Or, one for every two children.

      *that are known about/admitted to

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    2. Re:Please, its for the Children !!! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      If you're thinking of the children all the time, chances are you're a pedo.

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  4. some get windows update block and then the filters by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    someone get windows update block and then the filters will come down so fast your head will spin

  5. CCC, XXX... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    CCC, XXX, what's the difference? The two keys are close to each other. Easy to confuse. Wait until WWW is added to the list.

    1. Re:CCC, XXX... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      take your QWERTY-normative bigotry and shove it up your ass !

    2. Re:CCC, XXX... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're part of a minority that is a sub-minority of those who can bypass or disable the filter without moaning to much in the process. Unless you meant you're French, in which case I'm sorry for you :)

    3. Re:CCC, XXX... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      W3C was in Finland's child porn filter for a bit.

    4. Re:CCC, XXX... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, have you seen the standards they promulgate? Pornography.

    5. Re:CCC, XXX... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you expect using the name 'chaos'?
      I want to hear news one day of the "Fluffy Kittens Computer Club" being blocked.

  6. Suprised *gasp* by davydagger · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In china, the official reason for goverment filters is to block porn and malacious content.

    Its like someone doesn't learn lessons, not just from history, but from the present

    When do we start adding UK to the list of unfree states.

    1. Re:Suprised *gasp* by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Informative

      When do we start adding UK to the list of unfree states.

      You know that the filter is strictly optional, right?

      Being opt-out is stupid pandering to the "think of the children" morons who are too lazy to opt in to an opt in system which was present before (surprise! companies offered this service!).

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/tech...

      The proportions of people NOT opting out are:
      * Virgin Media - 4%
      * BT - 5%
      * Sky - 8%
      * TalkTalk - 36%

      (Note: TalkTalk offered the service as an opt in feature before the government waded in).

      The filter is a stupid and pointless thing to be mandated (as evidenced by the nubmers), but given the number of people opting out (almost all), chicken-littling over being like China is even more stupid than the filter itself.

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    2. Re:Suprised *gasp* by ebcdic · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's stupid, but it's optional and only exists for some ISPs. Hardly the great firewall of China.

    3. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being unfree or free is relative. I'd guess situation didn't get worse in UK, it just didn't improve like other countries. They were this way all the time, and now just can use technology.

      Shortly before WWII, there were nationalist forces in most european countries. After the war, all countries were re-built from help of the allies, as democratic states with strong rights of the individual (with exceptions like spain of course). This spirit has found its way to the eastern european countries after the soviet union was dissolved. It has never crossed la manche, England didn't have to be rebuilt.

    4. Re:Suprised *gasp* by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      The UK just banned video recording women sitting on guys' faces and/or vaginally ejaculating. It's officially the Empire of Evil.

    5. Re:Suprised *gasp* by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      1972.

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    6. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Optional for how long? You're gullible if you don't think they'll make this mandatory, because 'terrorism'.

    7. Re:Suprised *gasp* by cornjones · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, Cameron is doing his best to keep up. If we can just hold ISPs responsible and monitor a bit more, then we will have controll^H^H^H^H safety.

    8. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The UK (along with the U.S) is already classified as an enemy of the Internet by the Reporters Sans Frontiers.

      What more do you want?

    9. Re:Suprised *gasp* by bledri · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, Cameron is doing his best to keep up. ...

      So you're saying he opted-out?

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    10. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they wont

    11. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what they want you to believe.

    12. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >or vaginally ejaculating

      Is that what the youngsters are calling pissing nowadays?

    13. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... official reason for government filters ...

      Australia has 'kiddie porn' filters too.

      ... list of unfree states ...

      That depends: When can the government infringe the everyday rights of its citizens? Very few of us will accept a government which fails to protect children (even though the UK bureaucracy has failed in a massive way). We don't care about the freedom of speech for people encouraging the sexual abuse of children.

      Australia doesn't protect the right to assembly, the right to associate, the right to speech, the right to protest. But most Australians don't feel oppressed, even with the war on terror/drugs creating oppressive laws that infringe on these rights. 90% of the time, for 90% of the people, these laws have little effect on them.

    14. Re:Suprised *gasp* by houghi · · Score: 1

      Perhaps better make a list of free states, as that would be shorter.

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    15. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      I did so long ago. Not to mention that Cameron is not far away from Kim when it comes to pure stupidity and idiocy. And he doesn't even have any excuse like Kim.

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    16. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Cameron opted out of sanity a while ago.

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    17. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what happened in Hungary when they wanted to tax the internet by data volume? No one cared about the limited freedom of press, but when people can't download their movies they are gonna rise up.

    18. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Yet most people there act like complete loons, I read Clockwork Orange, It's a manual on how brits act in their daily lives.

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    19. Re:Suprised *gasp* by profplump · · Score: 1

      The fact that you have to actively opt-out is a problem all by itself.

    20. Re:Suprised *gasp* by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Yes it is, but that still doesn't make it like china.

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    21. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America added them to that list centuries ago.

    22. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Xest · · Score: 1

      It's not even applied to all ISPs. I don't have any of this and haven't had to ever opt in or out of anything.

      So sure you can go to one of the big 5 nanny state friendly ISPs and pay nothing for over-contended shit broadband with useless support when it goes wrong, or you can just go to one of the other 200 ISPs where none of this is even an issue.

  7. Re:some get windows update block and then the filt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or if the filters block google or facebook; watch how quickly those filters will be OFF by default.

  8. Hanlon? by 0dugo0 · · Score: 2

    What was that quote again? Never attribute to politics that which is adequately explained by stupid perl scripts?

    1. Re:Hanlon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the problem with decision, I guess.

  9. When will they block Slashdot? by Required+Snark · · Score: 4
    There are plenty of examples of "bad behavior" on Slashdot. I've been accused of this myself, for not being "polite". So it seems obvious that it's only a matter of time until someone in London figures out that collectively Slashdot is a "bad influence" and it gets banned.

    Which side won the Cold War again? Oh yeah, "Ignorance is Strength". That side.

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    1. Re:When will they block Slashdot? by buckfeta2014 · · Score: 5, Informative

      games.slashdot.org is blocked by my work filter because "games". While slashdot does not contain any actual games, the word in the URL is enough to trigger the block. It also blocks gaming news websites as "games", despite being a news website. Add on top of that, randomly blocking electronic cigarette websites as "weapons". Filters are broken indeed.

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    2. Re:When will they block Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me, ignorance is ignorance, and strength is strength. ;}

    3. Re:When will they block Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FreeBSD developers are likely to block games in the upcoming 12.0-RELEASE ! *oh no*

    4. Re:When will they block Slashdot? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      sounds like the local college were they block steam's forums but not their game servers so you can't discuses games just play them.

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    5. Re: When will they block Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine. Then for your own's sake I hope you're not ignorant to the fact that the government is way stronger than you could ever hope to be and that what you may or may not do is simply up to them to decide. If you oppose them you will be destroyed, it's as simple as that. And no, there will be no revolution, no marches, no uproar, no nothing. Just meek acceptance. So, what's that "strength" you mentioned yet?

  10. Total Surveillance in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just had the lamp-posts replaced around here- and there's a camera atop each (most people don't realise, because they think such a cameras sees 'around' the lamp-post itself , but each camera is designed to 'see' beneath a further lamp-post two posts down). People are informed, when they ask, that the visible camera mount is a 'radio aerial').

    Lamp-post cameras in the UK were first introduced during the last IRA scare many years back- I remember seeing the contract of an Asian supplier that had provided millions of camera units to the British government in the 1990s- they were boasting about the order for commercial reasons online. More recently, Britain experienced political scandal when big city police forces were discovered placing such camera systems in Muslim areas. Now the camera lamp-posts are rolled out everywhere, using the excuse of a move to LED lighting systems. Camera lamp-posts have even been installed on semi-private access roads, where no lamp post had ever been installed before, flooding the front of people's homes with light at night, and positioning the camera where it can see right into many people's bedroom windows.

    Brits have a daily clue as to the extent of GCHQ TOTAL SURVEILLANCE when their daily 'crime reports' show footage of crimes captured by these lap-post cameras, no matter where the crime occurs in the UK.

    Years before it was even a thing, Britain installed comprehensive facial recognition systems at all main public transport hubs, to begin monitoring the movement of all individuals by train or by coach. Plate and driver recognition cameras are placed frequently on all roads and junctions (and few are designated 'speed' cameras), and under-surface RFID readers do an even more comprehensive job of tracking road traffic by the RFID 'fingerprint' of the tags present in every recent tire.

    GCHQ dwarfs the NSA in domestic and international TOTAL SURVEILLANCE spying, although GCHQ depends just as much as NSA on the Google designed database systems that store and process the massive amount of data gathered. In reality, Google is the R+D division of the NSA. Google's voice recognition and machine translation algorithms are designed primarily to allow the NSA/GCHQ to better index and search the data it collects.

    Today, of course, Google frontlines research into AUTONOMOUS KILLING MACHINES for use by the US Army in its future invasions (with Iran being of special interest to Google's controllers). Google's main owners see their research as directly comparable to that by those weapon experts that gave Hitler the ability to BLITZKRIEG his way to military success. Google want the USA to have a parallel ability, so it will no longer hesitate to 'take out' targets like Iran.

    The TOTAL SURVEILLANCE society of Britain followed Blair's rise to power. Every single aspect of present day Britain is under the direct control of Blair loyalists.

    Blair's interest in TOTAL SURVEILLANCE is the same as any dictator in the past
    -to 'survey' the mindset of the 'chattering classes' so they can be better manipulated by government propaganda.
    -to gather potential blackmail information on every person, so later every person in a position of power or influence can be easily coerced
    -to identify emerging grass-roots leaders or movements, so they can be co-opted or exterminated before they reach the level of greater public awareness.

    The difference is that Tony Blair operates in the Computer Age- where total surveillance can be literally perfected. Worse, the mass murdering monster Blair knows that Britain sets a perfectly evil example for every barbaric authority across the planet to copy. When Middle East depravities, like America's favourite partner Saudi Arabia, crack down on movements for democracy and freedom, these depravities QUOTE the actions of the UK government, and say TRUTHFULLY they are only doing the same sort of thing.

    By indulging in VERY selective policing, the Orwellian nightmare implemented by Tony Blair seeming impacts on very few Brits- allo

    1. Re:Total Surveillance in the UK by moonlandingchap · · Score: 1

      having installed lamp posts since 2006, can tell you now that most of them have no camera equipment at all. don't do too much in london the area may be a little different but even then the cameras are easy to spot and are not integraded into the lights. that isn't to say that the hidden style don't exist but they are not even close to the norm and most streets (out side of town centres or main roads) don't have any cameras at all. tracking the rfid tags in tyres.. while maybe possible, the range of any logging hardware is extremely limited with little deployment. plus you'd have to know the rfid tags of that car/van to track it (though cross ref with cctv could help). they might use it as cross ref data from cctv when trying to prove a vehicle had been someone where, after the fact. there just isn't enough readers to track anything very far. leave any main road and there is nothing, prob not even cctv. ouside of the 3 biggest citys and you'd be hard pushed to even find any hardware. tracking the drivers GPRS data connections is much easier. as are ANPR cams. i'm not for surveillance and living in the most watch country in the world the last thing we need is more. but the number of times something happens in an area where there is no cctv, is just mad. it is anything but total coverage.

    2. Re:Total Surveillance in the UK by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Shooting paintballs at the lenses of cameras works great. Build yourself a PVC paintball thrower and solve the problem.

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  11. The UK... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...land of freedom.

  12. The U.K. is a joke, but not a funny one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Many good Americans died protecting the U.K. from the Nazis, and now the U.K.
    is doing its best to emulate many of the most unsavory behaviors of the Nazis.

    Of course it's not much of a "united kingdom" any more - and those who run
    the show over there are too myopic to understand why.

    1. Re:The U.K. is a joke, but not a funny one. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, from mainland Europe it looks more like the UK does its best to emulate the US.

      Not that I generally disagree with you, though.

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    2. Re:The U.K. is a joke, but not a funny one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USA had no interest in protecting the UK from the Nazis. They only got involved when Japan took the war to them: simple self interest. That's not a criticism; there's no particular reason why they should have got involved before that, but don't give us the "sacrifices we made for you" schtick.

    3. Re:The U.K. is a joke, but not a funny one. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Many good Americans died protecting the U.K. from the Nazis

      Americans only came to help after the U.S. added the condition that the UK give up her colonies and stop being a super power. I don't consider this the U.S. saving the UK, the U.S. helped in exchange for a deal that was against the UK's interests.

      Of course it's not much of a "united kingdom" any more

      Yes it is, Great Britain and Northern Ireland are still a union.

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  13. "Unsolicited" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unsolicited my eye.

  14. filter porn, but allow "escort" services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember a time, before _everyone_ had a mobile phone and there were still phone booths with phones in them.

    And every phone booth in London was plastered with ads for "escort" services. I could be wrong, but my impression at the time was these were really just thinly veiled ads for prostitutes.

    I haven't really paid attention the last few years, I don't know where they're plastering the ads these days.

    But yeah, filter the porn out.

    1. Re:filter porn, but allow "escort" services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ads are still posted in the phone booths, but almost exclusively for transexual prostitutes. Not sure why the market specialized like this, but you never know when you might need one. Somewhat quaintly the ads still only have telephone numbers, and do not have web or email addresses. In fact, some phone booths have the prostitute ads but no phone.

    2. Re:filter porn, but allow "escort" services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the "escort" cards were for sex workers. No, they weren't allowed; they were always illegal, in that it's illegal under English law to advertise prostitution, even for the limited cases where the prostitution itself was legal.

    3. Re:filter porn, but allow "escort" services? by Smauler · · Score: 1

      I haven't really paid attention the last few years, I don't know where they're plastering the ads these days.

      The Internet.

    4. Re:filter porn, but allow "escort" services? by Xest · · Score: 2

      Even in the UK growing up before the world wide web was a thing you'd just wander on down to the closest building site where the builders often left porn mags lying around or go round to the kids house whose dad creepily collected page 3 girl pictures to find it.

      It's always been a nonsense and always will be, kids will find porn whatever you do. You can't legislate natural curiosity away.

    5. Re:filter porn, but allow "escort" services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgive my cynicism but I doubt it was never about kids. It was about political power and control.

    6. Re:filter porn, but allow "escort" services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's logical to allow prostitution but disallow porn. It's the opposite (allowing porn but disallowing prostitution) that doesn't make any sense.

      In prostitution you are paying people to have sex.

      In porn you are paying people to have sex, and record and distribute the act. Therefore porn goes one step beyond prostitution.

  15. Good grief. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Porn filters... Really? Well, what do you expect from a country that has CCTV on every corner in every town, and an internal security apparatus that shames the NSA? We're not talking about Russia here...

    What I expect is that the CCC block actually exists on my very popular (over 4 million users) UK ISP - which it does not. In fact I've not seen any UK poster confirm this, just rebut it. But don't let me stop you now you are on a roll ... what's that, CCTV on every corner in every town you say? Do you actually realise that the vast majority of CCTV cameras in the UK are operated privately and are indoors - not state controlled? A Cheshire survey in 2011 found a total of 12,333 cameras in the county of which 504 where operated by public authorities(and it's extremely unlikely those 504 work in concert).

    Your comment is the kind of ignorant shit I expect to find on reddit.

  16. Total Surveillance in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to take your meds ...

  17. Re:some get windows update block and then the filt by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    Nah not really. Under 10% of internet subscribers have chosen to not opt out. Most people would never know if the filters went to crap.

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  18. Sol by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    VPN

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    1. Re:Sol by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      While you're still allowed to use one. What makes you think that you may use VPN, citizen?

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  19. British Porn Filter by PPH · · Score: 1

    In related news, access to pr0n continues unimpeded.

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  20. Libel Lawsuit by CCC would get them to do that by billstewart · · Score: 1

    The filters have usually been super-secret because letting the public know what was being censored would let "the children" get around them, and would promote the worst kinds of pornography by telling perverts where it was. But English libel law is surprisingly broad, from the perspective of those of us in other countries, and allows people not from England to sue other people not from England if there's some English hook in the publication somewhere, so maybe the CCC can demonstrate that they've been censored and argue that it's libel that's causing them actual damage (after all, the fact that they were censored by the pr0n filter says they were pornographers or Even Worse.)

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    1. Re:Libel Lawsuit by CCC would get them to do that by Neil_Brown · · Score: 3, Informative

      The filters have usually been super-secret

      In case it might be of interest, in the UK, on mobile networks at least, the existence of filters is not (and, as far as I know, has never been) secret, and the categories of content which are likely to render a site being blocked are published too. I appreciate that this is, of course, not the same as a "what's blocked and what's not list".)

      The UK's infrastructure mobile operators published the "Code of practice for the self-regulation of new forms of content on mobiles" in January 2004, with the filters being implemented about a year later in early 2005. The code was updated in 2009, and is accessible here. The code still references the Independent Mobile Classification Body, but this is no longer the right place: the IMCB's role has been replaced by the British Board of Film Classification, which also administers the age ratings for films for the UK.

      The BBFC documents its approach to mobile content classification on its website, here, including setting out the type of content which the BBFC considers suitable for "adults only", the details of mobile operator contact points in the event that a site operator considers that their site is incorrectly classified, and an appeals procedure against decisions taken by the BBFC.

      Whilst there is no published "what's blocked and what's not" list, the mobile operators buy third party services for website classification; most, but not all, buy from Symantec. Symantec has a web interface for its "ratings tool" here, which (after a captcha) lets anyone see how Symantec has classified a particular URL. This is complemented by the Open Rights Group tool (here): the ORG tool does a real-time check of whether a site is blocked across mobile and fixed networks, and the Symantec tool indicates the classification given to the site by Symantec.

  21. What about the old chestnuts... by thewils · · Score: 1

    I'm wondering how Scunthorpe Council is getting on. Did they get blocked, again?

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  22. A few facts by 91degrees · · Score: 2
    Because the hysteria over this is idiotic.
    • There is no "British porn filter".
      • The filters are sold as "parental controls"
      • The filters are run by the ISPs and not the government.
    • In this case a total of three of them actually blocked the site.
    • "Hacking" is a default category.
      • While blocking "CCC" may be an overbroad application of this filter it does provide information on a lot of subjects that would assist a would-be hacker.
    • The filters aren't opt-out. You make a choice when you set up your connection. It is virtually impossible to accidentally set them up
    • If you are so incompetent that you set them up accidentally, the block-page tells you how to turn it off
    • Only three ISPs blocked this site. Two of them are mobile providers. One of them has since unblocked it.

      I'd really expect technical sites like Slashdot, and CCC to actually have a clue about these filters. Instead users have latched on to a bandwagon.
    1. Re:A few facts by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So ... UK parents want to keep information about online security from their kids? What is this, a branch of the Southern Baptists?

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    2. Re:A few facts by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      It's a bit complicated. We've got multiple filters.

      First, there's Cleanfeed. This is the most opaque of them - it's purpose is to filter out child pornography. Due to the sensitive nature of the filter, it's highly secretive - the list is secret, the methodology is secret, there's no appeals process, and no requirement to notify sites they have been classified as child porn. This is the one that made news a few years ago when someone classified a Wikipedia page as child pornography.

      Secondly, there's the anti-piracy filtering. This one runs on court orders. The block list is at least publicly known, and there is court oversight. That makes it a lot better than Cleanfeed.

      Thirdly, there's the anti-porn filter. This isn't strictly a government mandate, at least not directly. The government was preparing to mandate it through the usual legislative process, but rather than face the problems of complying with some vague and impossible standards written by MPs with no understanding of technology all major ISPs decided to instead set up filtering voluntarily. The manner in which this is done varies greatly between ISPs. They all contract list maintenance to a specialist provider, but not all the same provider, and they use different categories and different default settings. The 'opt' also differs between ISPs.

    3. Re:A few facts by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      They want to keep kids off hacking websites. These are not very technically minded people.

      So yes. I'll concede that this is probably an overbroad interpretation of "hacking" which is why only 3 ISPs actually listed it as such, and one of them chenged their mind.

      "3 private companies miscategorise CCC as 'hacking'" is hardly a major news story.

  23. Except... by Alioth · · Score: 1

    Except ccc.de isn't actually blocked. I'm visiting a friend in the UK right now and have no problem reaching ccc.de through PlusNet nor do I have any trouble reaching it through an EE mobile internet connection.

    1. Re:Except... by Begemot · · Score: 1

      Maybe the selection algorithm is nondeterministic or its input includes user's location, history and some other personal shit.

    2. Re:Except... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except ccc.de isn't actually blocked. I'm visiting a friend in the UK right now and have no problem reaching ccc.de through PlusNet nor do I have any trouble reaching it through an EE mobile internet connection.

      Its only on Virgin media's filter. Dont expect slashdot to get the facts right in the rush to publish another "UK = police state, 'Murica Yeah!" story.

  24. Britain doesn't choose their battles wisely by Begemot · · Score: 1

    Given the demand, there'll always be supply, one way or another.
    And I hope it will not take the form of rape and harassment.

  25. Re:some get windows update block and then the filt by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I'm fairly sure that Windows updates, Facebook, Youtube and everything else that "the general public" would notice if it was blocked is whitelisted. As long as only a small group of people is pestered, they don't matter.

    You can only outlaw and censor something before the general population got used to it. Sadly I can't find the study for it anymore, but the general idea is that you cannot censor or ban something that everyone likes AND is not afraid to say so. So if you want something to be safe from censorship or ban, give the general population a piece of it and make it legal to use.

    There is no chance in hell a western government could simply shut down Facebook, Twitter or Youtube. No matter how much it pisses them off. These are things the general population, not just a few geeks who care about their freedom, use.

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  26. It was never about porn. by jcr · · Score: 1

    The purpose of this censorship technology is, and has always been, to give government the means to control information in order to deceive the public.

    -jcr

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  27. Blocked from my own research by Ardeaem · · Score: 1

    I clicked on a link someone had posted on Twitter that was to my own research (statistics research) on ScienceDirect. My British ISP (EE) blocked it on grounds that it is "adult content". Whatever content filter they are using is dangerously bad.

  28. Told you so by Gallomimia · · Score: 1

    What? Someone already posted an I told you so comment? Well.... We all told you so.

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  29. are you really sure ... ( Mr. Cameron ??? ) - by dschinn1001 · · Score: 0

    ... about that all male parliament members are really breast-feeded ?! - or would this already been shocking if they are not ?!

  30. Scunthorpe Problem by KevReedUK · · Score: 1

    At least things aren't as bad as when the "Scunthorpe Problem" was rife! Those are days I'm glad to have behind me.

    Running a school network and suddenly finding that you are unable to email colleagues or browse websites with Essex, Sussex, Wessex or Scunthorpe in their addresses was annoying... but having to explain this to the ISP who implemented the block was a challenge. Techs there just didn't seem to be able to get their heads around the concept of a SUB-string being a problem (they thought their filter was only parsing whole addresses for comparison against the "think of the children" list.

    That being said... Chrome's spell-check remains convinced that Scunthorpe isn't a word!

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