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British 'Porn Filter' Blocks Access To Chaos Computer Club

An anonymous reader tips news that the Chaos Computer Club's website was inaccessible for many internet users in the UK after being blocked by the filter set up to block porn sites. Additionally, Vodafone users are unable to access the ticket site to this year's Chaos Commuication Conference. In a post on its website, the CCC said, "Internet filters simply do not work, but leaving technical limitation aside, the CCC's example shows that unsolicited overblocking, meaning wrongly classified websites, is a common phenomenon in large censorship infrastructures. However, it may very well be that the CCC is considered 'extremist' judged by British standards of freedom of speech." CCC spokesperson Dirk Engling added, "We see this as proof that censorship infrastructure – no matter for which reasons it was set up, and no matter which country you are in – will always be abused for political reasons."

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  1. Good grief. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Porn filters... Really? Well, what do you expect from a country that has CCTV on every corner in every town, and an internal security apparatus that shames the NSA? We're not talking about Russia here...

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    1. Re:Good grief. by ihtoit · · Score: 2

      the City of London* (which has a population of just 9,000**) has 619 cameras, which makes it the most densely CCTV'd population centre AND the most densely CCTV'd square mile in the world.

      *definition: that area inside the Lion bollards between Temple and the Mall
      **source: 2011 census

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    2. Re:Good grief. by norriefc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The vast vast majority of CCTV cameras are privately owned, 1 in 70 are state owned (approx 800,000 which is still too many in my book) And as for porn filters, they are optional that the vast majority haven't opted into, the whole thing is bullshit, the only people it will be blocked for is people who opted into filters and I'd wager 99.999% of those who did opt in wouldn't be visiting CCC.de anyway.

    3. Re:Good grief. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The more realistic, 509,000 people and 619 cameras sounds much less dramatic.

      Not really. If you place those 619 cameras correctly (and I assume they did) in such a small area, I'll bet every single person who lives or works in that place gets their image recorded several times a day.

      Remember, the 500,000 people who come to the City of London to work every day have a limited number of routes to take to get there. A relatively small number of bus stops, train stations, parking lots, bridges and streets makes for easy work for the guys who are upskirting their own citizens' lives.

      I'm guessing it could be done with even fewer cameras.

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    4. Re:Good grief. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And before you ask for a citation regarding those child molestation/murder cults among the elite:

      http://www.theguardian.com/soc...

      http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/u...

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    5. Re:Good grief. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      We shouldn't give the benefit of the doubt to government institutions that won't do likewise. That they are harmless now is inconsequential. We should be outraged that anyone in government even suggest a censorship regime.

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    6. Re:Good grief. by ihtoit · · Score: 3, Informative

      well, OK, how about London's 33 boroughs* controlling 7,000** cameras between them? Or the 500,000-800,000** privately owned/run CCTV cameras (not systems, individual cameras) operating in the same area?
      The 11,000** cameras operating on the Tube network?

      *combined population: 8.3 million (2013 ONS estimate)
      **source: BSIA

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    7. Re:Good grief. by norriefc · · Score: 2

      You're (willfully ? ) confusing two distinct issues

      One is the abhorrent court mandated (section 97A's) blocks which the ISP's just bend over and take
      The other (re this article) is optional web filtering that parents etc can use to prevent access to a wide (stupidly wide) range of websites
      They are both pointless in their own way but the section 97A's are the real concern (to me anyway)

    8. Re:Good grief. by hawguy · · Score: 2

      The City of London has 9000 residents but about 500,000 people actually working there during the day.

      9000 residents and 619 security cameras sounds like OMG BIG BROTHER TROLOLOLOLWTFBBQHAX.

      The more realistic, 509,000 people and 619 cameras sounds much less dramatic.

      The definition of the City of London being in this case the boundary of the City of London.

      Another way to look at is in terms of area.... The City of London covers about 1.12 square miles... If the cameras all cover ground level, them then the cameras could cover a grid with a camera spaced every 225 feet, or about one minute's walking distance.

    9. Re:Good grief. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep, but they're not scattered remotely uniformly.

      For instance there's a bunch in the big underpass system by the Monument, far more than one every 225 feet because it's an underpass with a few branches. They also tend to be scattered round the large, important buildings like the Gherkin. The ground plans are complex so to cover the area just around the building, many cameras are needed.

      All the little streets like Change Alley and Pope's Head Alley and whatnot have none whatsoever.

      Yes there are a lot but the chicken-little OMG BIG BROTHER ENGLAND IS WORSE THAN NORTH KOREA THE SKY IS FALLING types are basically spouting crap.

      Disclaimer: I only walk through the city of London every day on the way into work.

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    10. Re:Good grief. by 91degrees · · Score: 2

      Well, what do you expect from a country that has CCTV on every corner in every town

      We don't. The report that said we did had really poor methodology and a lot of speculation.

      Even then, the bulk of CCTV is in private shops. You have this in every country.

    11. Re:Good grief. by Person147 · · Score: 2
      I work in the City of London and am glad of every single one of those cameras.

      We have experienced decades of people trying to - and often succeeding in - blowing up us workers. For a long time we had the IRA and now Islamic terrorists all wanting to inflict death and destruction on those of us going about our daily lives. This list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London) gives some idea of the scale and number of attacks London (not just the City of London) has suffered. If these cameras mean that I or my colleagues do not become one of the statistics on that Wikipedia page, then I am all for them. Terrorism is a real and ongoing threat in London.

  2. CCC, XXX... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    CCC, XXX, what's the difference? The two keys are close to each other. Easy to confuse. Wait until WWW is added to the list.

  3. Suprised *gasp* by davydagger · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In china, the official reason for goverment filters is to block porn and malacious content.

    Its like someone doesn't learn lessons, not just from history, but from the present

    When do we start adding UK to the list of unfree states.

    1. Re:Suprised *gasp* by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Informative

      When do we start adding UK to the list of unfree states.

      You know that the filter is strictly optional, right?

      Being opt-out is stupid pandering to the "think of the children" morons who are too lazy to opt in to an opt in system which was present before (surprise! companies offered this service!).

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/tech...

      The proportions of people NOT opting out are:
      * Virgin Media - 4%
      * BT - 5%
      * Sky - 8%
      * TalkTalk - 36%

      (Note: TalkTalk offered the service as an opt in feature before the government waded in).

      The filter is a stupid and pointless thing to be mandated (as evidenced by the nubmers), but given the number of people opting out (almost all), chicken-littling over being like China is even more stupid than the filter itself.

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    2. Re:Suprised *gasp* by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      I did so long ago. Not to mention that Cameron is not far away from Kim when it comes to pure stupidity and idiocy. And he doesn't even have any excuse like Kim.

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  4. Hanlon? by 0dugo0 · · Score: 2

    What was that quote again? Never attribute to politics that which is adequately explained by stupid perl scripts?

  5. Re:So? by knightghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, that caused the problem. "Save the children!" and other lemming stampede inducing sayings will always be abused by those in power.

  6. When will they block Slashdot? by Required+Snark · · Score: 4
    There are plenty of examples of "bad behavior" on Slashdot. I've been accused of this myself, for not being "polite". So it seems obvious that it's only a matter of time until someone in London figures out that collectively Slashdot is a "bad influence" and it gets banned.

    Which side won the Cold War again? Oh yeah, "Ignorance is Strength". That side.

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    1. Re:When will they block Slashdot? by buckfeta2014 · · Score: 5, Informative

      games.slashdot.org is blocked by my work filter because "games". While slashdot does not contain any actual games, the word in the URL is enough to trigger the block. It also blocks gaming news websites as "games", despite being a news website. Add on top of that, randomly blocking electronic cigarette websites as "weapons". Filters are broken indeed.

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    2. Re:When will they block Slashdot? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      sounds like the local college were they block steam's forums but not their game servers so you can't discuses games just play them.

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  7. Total Surveillance in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just had the lamp-posts replaced around here- and there's a camera atop each (most people don't realise, because they think such a cameras sees 'around' the lamp-post itself , but each camera is designed to 'see' beneath a further lamp-post two posts down). People are informed, when they ask, that the visible camera mount is a 'radio aerial').

    Lamp-post cameras in the UK were first introduced during the last IRA scare many years back- I remember seeing the contract of an Asian supplier that had provided millions of camera units to the British government in the 1990s- they were boasting about the order for commercial reasons online. More recently, Britain experienced political scandal when big city police forces were discovered placing such camera systems in Muslim areas. Now the camera lamp-posts are rolled out everywhere, using the excuse of a move to LED lighting systems. Camera lamp-posts have even been installed on semi-private access roads, where no lamp post had ever been installed before, flooding the front of people's homes with light at night, and positioning the camera where it can see right into many people's bedroom windows.

    Brits have a daily clue as to the extent of GCHQ TOTAL SURVEILLANCE when their daily 'crime reports' show footage of crimes captured by these lap-post cameras, no matter where the crime occurs in the UK.

    Years before it was even a thing, Britain installed comprehensive facial recognition systems at all main public transport hubs, to begin monitoring the movement of all individuals by train or by coach. Plate and driver recognition cameras are placed frequently on all roads and junctions (and few are designated 'speed' cameras), and under-surface RFID readers do an even more comprehensive job of tracking road traffic by the RFID 'fingerprint' of the tags present in every recent tire.

    GCHQ dwarfs the NSA in domestic and international TOTAL SURVEILLANCE spying, although GCHQ depends just as much as NSA on the Google designed database systems that store and process the massive amount of data gathered. In reality, Google is the R+D division of the NSA. Google's voice recognition and machine translation algorithms are designed primarily to allow the NSA/GCHQ to better index and search the data it collects.

    Today, of course, Google frontlines research into AUTONOMOUS KILLING MACHINES for use by the US Army in its future invasions (with Iran being of special interest to Google's controllers). Google's main owners see their research as directly comparable to that by those weapon experts that gave Hitler the ability to BLITZKRIEG his way to military success. Google want the USA to have a parallel ability, so it will no longer hesitate to 'take out' targets like Iran.

    The TOTAL SURVEILLANCE society of Britain followed Blair's rise to power. Every single aspect of present day Britain is under the direct control of Blair loyalists.

    Blair's interest in TOTAL SURVEILLANCE is the same as any dictator in the past
    -to 'survey' the mindset of the 'chattering classes' so they can be better manipulated by government propaganda.
    -to gather potential blackmail information on every person, so later every person in a position of power or influence can be easily coerced
    -to identify emerging grass-roots leaders or movements, so they can be co-opted or exterminated before they reach the level of greater public awareness.

    The difference is that Tony Blair operates in the Computer Age- where total surveillance can be literally perfected. Worse, the mass murdering monster Blair knows that Britain sets a perfectly evil example for every barbaric authority across the planet to copy. When Middle East depravities, like America's favourite partner Saudi Arabia, crack down on movements for democracy and freedom, these depravities QUOTE the actions of the UK government, and say TRUTHFULLY they are only doing the same sort of thing.

    By indulging in VERY selective policing, the Orwellian nightmare implemented by Tony Blair seeming impacts on very few Brits- allo

  8. filter porn, but allow "escort" services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember a time, before _everyone_ had a mobile phone and there were still phone booths with phones in them.

    And every phone booth in London was plastered with ads for "escort" services. I could be wrong, but my impression at the time was these were really just thinly veiled ads for prostitutes.

    I haven't really paid attention the last few years, I don't know where they're plastering the ads these days.

    But yeah, filter the porn out.

    1. Re:filter porn, but allow "escort" services? by Xest · · Score: 2

      Even in the UK growing up before the world wide web was a thing you'd just wander on down to the closest building site where the builders often left porn mags lying around or go round to the kids house whose dad creepily collected page 3 girl pictures to find it.

      It's always been a nonsense and always will be, kids will find porn whatever you do. You can't legislate natural curiosity away.

  9. A few facts by 91degrees · · Score: 2
    Because the hysteria over this is idiotic.
    • There is no "British porn filter".
      • The filters are sold as "parental controls"
      • The filters are run by the ISPs and not the government.
    • In this case a total of three of them actually blocked the site.
    • "Hacking" is a default category.
      • While blocking "CCC" may be an overbroad application of this filter it does provide information on a lot of subjects that would assist a would-be hacker.
    • The filters aren't opt-out. You make a choice when you set up your connection. It is virtually impossible to accidentally set them up
    • If you are so incompetent that you set them up accidentally, the block-page tells you how to turn it off
    • Only three ISPs blocked this site. Two of them are mobile providers. One of them has since unblocked it.

      I'd really expect technical sites like Slashdot, and CCC to actually have a clue about these filters. Instead users have latched on to a bandwagon.
    1. Re:A few facts by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      It's a bit complicated. We've got multiple filters.

      First, there's Cleanfeed. This is the most opaque of them - it's purpose is to filter out child pornography. Due to the sensitive nature of the filter, it's highly secretive - the list is secret, the methodology is secret, there's no appeals process, and no requirement to notify sites they have been classified as child porn. This is the one that made news a few years ago when someone classified a Wikipedia page as child pornography.

      Secondly, there's the anti-piracy filtering. This one runs on court orders. The block list is at least publicly known, and there is court oversight. That makes it a lot better than Cleanfeed.

      Thirdly, there's the anti-porn filter. This isn't strictly a government mandate, at least not directly. The government was preparing to mandate it through the usual legislative process, but rather than face the problems of complying with some vague and impossible standards written by MPs with no understanding of technology all major ISPs decided to instead set up filtering voluntarily. The manner in which this is done varies greatly between ISPs. They all contract list maintenance to a specialist provider, but not all the same provider, and they use different categories and different default settings. The 'opt' also differs between ISPs.

  10. Re:Libel Lawsuit by CCC would get them to do that by Neil_Brown · · Score: 3, Informative

    The filters have usually been super-secret

    In case it might be of interest, in the UK, on mobile networks at least, the existence of filters is not (and, as far as I know, has never been) secret, and the categories of content which are likely to render a site being blocked are published too. I appreciate that this is, of course, not the same as a "what's blocked and what's not list".)

    The UK's infrastructure mobile operators published the "Code of practice for the self-regulation of new forms of content on mobiles" in January 2004, with the filters being implemented about a year later in early 2005. The code was updated in 2009, and is accessible here. The code still references the Independent Mobile Classification Body, but this is no longer the right place: the IMCB's role has been replaced by the British Board of Film Classification, which also administers the age ratings for films for the UK.

    The BBFC documents its approach to mobile content classification on its website, here, including setting out the type of content which the BBFC considers suitable for "adults only", the details of mobile operator contact points in the event that a site operator considers that their site is incorrectly classified, and an appeals procedure against decisions taken by the BBFC.

    Whilst there is no published "what's blocked and what's not" list, the mobile operators buy third party services for website classification; most, but not all, buy from Symantec. Symantec has a web interface for its "ratings tool" here, which (after a captcha) lets anyone see how Symantec has classified a particular URL. This is complemented by the Open Rights Group tool (here): the ORG tool does a real-time check of whether a site is blocked across mobile and fixed networks, and the Symantec tool indicates the classification given to the site by Symantec.

  11. Re:Please, its for the Children !!! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    If you're thinking of the children all the time, chances are you're a pedo.

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  12. Re:The U.K. is a joke, but not a funny one. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, from mainland Europe it looks more like the UK does its best to emulate the US.

    Not that I generally disagree with you, though.

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